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PFF came out with their NFL predictions and slotted us in at 4-12.

I don't know what anyone else is seeing, but that Game in London against Minnesota, If the Browns can't win that game, I'm going to be very angry.
I mean, if even they only have 1 lousy game! in the whole schedule that they should beat, if they can't beat a bad team from the NFC, who isn't in your division and thus beat you every year.
I mean the Vikings are terrible. And they aren't even going to be wanting to play that game. And it's right before the bye?

And the packer game, with Aron rogers. The Packers have been getting worse for 3 years now! They should beat the Packers and not even make it close. (IF! The Browns are any kind of a team)

And the LA Chargers? If you can't beat a TEAM! who doesn't even know what city it plays in, and whose future is uncertain, then you also are no kind of a team.

And I don't understand all this love for coach Hue Jackson, who I don't know if they even won 1 game because of his coaching in his entire time yet!

And I get that they don't fire him because they've always fired everybody and that doesn't work. But if he goes 1-15, or loses 7 in a row again, then What is he coaching?

You have a gift for leaving many of us speechless, Throw.

It's kinda like watching Trump.

Most of them are usually coherent at least.

That was messy.

Nah.........I like Throw.

Bold Predictions: Three Reasons Why The Cleveland Browns Will Win The AFC North

http://theinscribermag.com/cleveland-browns-why-they-will-win-the-afc-north-in-2017/

With training camps set to start soon, now is the time fans finally get a glimpse of what their respective team may look like on the field this coming season. In the case of the 1-15 Cleveland Browns, they could very well surprise a few in 2017.

While many will be quick to dismiss and underestimate Cleveland, due to their record, and for other obvious reasons in being the NFL’s perennial dysfunctional train wreck of a laughingstock, but if early reports from OTA’s and minicamp are any indication, the Browns could be THE sleeper team in the AFC North—if not the entire NFL.

Yes, you heard me. I said it before, and I will DOUBLE DOWN on my 8-8 proclamation, again right here. Right now.

Some may laugh, smirk and easily dismiss this blog or even the reasons I’ve outlined below, but overall, Cleveland has the look and attitude of a different team with an entirely new culture thanks to the additions of veterans such as wide receiver Kenny Britt, defensive backs Calvin Pryor, Jason McCourty and offensive linemen JC Tretter and Kevin Zeitler.

Second-round selection DeShone Kizer is challenging projected starter Cody Kessler, wide receiver Ricardo Louis set to take a big leap, thanks to Corey Coleman’s injuries, Isaiah Crowell is primed for a breakout 1,000-yard season behind a rebuilt offensive line and first-round pick in tight end David Njoku is making Cleveland quickly forget about Gary Barnidge.

Combine that with perhaps the biggest off-season addition in Super Bowl-winning defensive coordinator Gregg Williams and top overall pick in the draft, in defensive end Myles Garrett and strong safety Jabrill Peppers—still unsigned, as of press time—Christian Kirksey and Jamie Collins inked to new contract extensions and overall you have the makings of what could be a legit borderline top-ten defense.

Will it be enough for them to challenge and win the always-rugged AFC North?

The NFL is littered with teams who have gone from worst to first such as the 1999 Indianapolis Colts and the 2004 San Diego Chargers and Pittsburgh Steelers, who were led by younger versions of NFL Hall of Famers such as LaDainian Tomlinson, Peyton Manning and current two-time Super Bowl champion in Ben Roethlisberger.

Additionally, NFL.com’s noted scribe Gil Brandt, named Cleveland as one of the teams to watch in making the worst-to-first leap in 2017.

So, based on all of the moves Cleveland made to revamp their OL and DB in free agency and bulk up their DL in the draft, why not the Browns?

Below are my three reasons why Cleveland will shock everyone and win the AFC North.

Last-Place Schedule and Low Expectations: If there is one benefit of the Browns horrendous 1-15 season, is their 2017 schedule. Thanks to having the 11th-easiest schedule in the league that features early favorable games against the hated Steelers, Bengals, Jets and the Vikings in London, Cleveland has a legit chance of being at or near .500 by the bye.

With three of their remaining eight games at home including a critical back-to-back set against Aaron Rodgers and Joe Flacco in what will be a very cold and windy—and possibly snowy—December, the ball bounces the right way a couple of times, then the Browns will be deep in the hunt.

Aging Big Ben and Suspect Steelers Offensive Line: While it comes without saying that football is a violent and dangerous game, no other quarterback has been able to withstand—and dish out—punishment like Big Ben. Roethlisberger, the Lima, Ohio-born nemesis of the Browns, has a career mark of 21-2 vs. Cleveland, since coming into the league.

And in addition to painfully reminding Cleveland fans of the Browns many past draft-day blunders—yup, talking about you, Kellen Winslow II, where you at, by the way?—Pittsburgh fans annually swarm and take over FirstEnergy Stadium turning it into Heinz Field West. At 35, and looking a bit slower and beaten up, Roethlisberger doesn’t run ad much as he used to, but has one of the greatest deep balls since Dan Marino.

With Cleveland assembling a young and hungry defensive line composed of the aforementioned Garrett, Emmanuel Ogbah on the edges, Danny Shelton and rookie Larry Ogunjobi on the inside, and what can best be described as an average Steelers offensive line, that has shown a history of suspect pass protection, 2017 could be the year that the Browns finally solve Big Ben.

Ravens and Bengals, Rebuilding or Reloading? The other two heavyweight contenders for the Steelers divisional crown, in the form of the Baltimore Ravens and Cincinnati Bengals, have some question marks of their own most notably in The Queen City as the Bengals hope that first-round pick in John Ross can replace the departed Marvin Jones and Mohamed Sanu in being the deep vertical threat to complement All-Pro A.J. Green, that they sorely missed in 2016.

While the Bengals defense will be its normally stout and rock-solid and ed by the NFL’s newest villain in Vontaze Burflict, the key to the Bengals success is whether or not Andy Dalton will take his place as one of the so-called “elite” NFL signal-callers or remain being a glorified middle-of-the-pack good one.

In Baltimore, the Ravens must find a way to end a rare playoff drought under head coach John Harbaugh, as Baltimore hasn’t tasted the postseason in three of their last four seasons.

At 32, former Super Bowl XLVII MVP in quarterback Joe Flacco is coming off of one of his worst seasons ever, and 2017 isn’t looking much better.

Steve Smith is now at NFL Network, longtime safety blanket in tight end Dennis Pitta was released, and former first-round pick Breshard Perriman was hit-or-miss. Despite adding free agent Jeremy Maclin to a revamped passing attack that features the aforementioned Perriman and speedster Mike Wallace, Baltimore may be playing more for pride than the playoffs this year.

T-Sizzle is 34 and not getting any younger, Elvis Dumerville is now in San Francisco and C.J. Mosley young and hungry, but outside of their linebackers and secondary that has Jimmy Smith, Eric Weddle and free agent additions such as Brandon Carr, Tony Jefferson and rookie cornerback in Marlon Humphrey out of Alabama, the Ravens much-storied defense of years past could be in flux.

Obscure web sites are truly desperate to try to get hits on their web sites. lmao

It's sad to see the first-hand repercussions of this heroin/opioid epidemic like this

I kinda wish that you wouldn't allow those types of sites again.

I clicked on the link to check out the source, and my computer froze up and I kept getting the message that a virus has infected my computer and to call the number they provided.

That's awful!!!

Title of the article should be ...

Reasons why I'm delusional and need meds ...

It became impossible to moderate. New "news" sites were popping up constantly (still are); valid media outlets were buying up existing blog sites, as well as starting their own, completely blurring the lines of what is legitimate news and what is Joe Schmoe spouting his opinion, etc, etc.... it was simply impossible to keep up with and most on here didn't care; they just wanted to read stuff on the Browns, so the decision was made that folks on here are bright enough to discern for themselves what is actual news reporting and what is junk.

Thanks for explaining and I wasn't complaining about board policies. It's just annoying to see all the crap that's posted on here.

I understand completely.

Originally Posted By: PrplPplEater

the decision was made that folks on here are bright enough to discern for themselves what is actual news reporting and what is junk.

Yep

After all the recent posts he's made in the last few weeks, you really have the audacity to dispute it?


Go ahead and talk to Purp like you talk to me. I dare you.

That article is adamant the Browns will be 8-8 and the Browns will win the AFC north!

Browns will struggle with the Steelers improved passing game, and defense, who will win the Afc north with a greater than 8-8 record.

The Browns are improving, but they haven't changed things up as much as one might think. (<--- I'll have to explain that one later.)

Does anyone think that an 8 and 8 record will win the AFC North? Does anyone believe the Steeler's OL isn't good?

But yeah, it was a great article.

Guy's, time to move back on point.

I understand the over/under to be 4.5

Seems spot-on to me. My prediction is 4...but...if I were a betting man, I'd bet the over. I realize that seems odd...but I'm not a betting man. I think we will be competitive in most games if we can stay healthy.

I think we have a chance to win any game on our schedule... with a possible exception being the Packers. Not a high % chance to win...but will pay homage to the "Any Given Sunday" mantra.

Edited to add:

I think it's tougher to go from 4-12 to 8-8...than it is to go from 1-15 to 5-11.

About 50 posts ago .. this is the crap i won't let Vers suck me into ... aren't u proud of me ... *L* ..

I say as i have since a month ago .... 4 wins with 6 the ceiling ...

I'm still saying 5.

If it's 5 wins, it will be 5 hoedowns here at SNEBB.



If it's 6 wins, it will be 6 hoedowns here at SNEBB.



If it's 7 wins...

I don't think anyone is going to have to hold a hoe down.

So...you are saying she/he will stay down on their own volition?

So u think were going to win zero games? .. he said a hoe down PER WIN ...

OK, got it .. Pits thinks we win zero games this year ...

Sorry you didn't get the joke diam. lmao

These two things are not the same. Hoedown and hoe down.

A swing and a miss!

8-8
1. I am not buying the idea we were as bad as 1-15
2. We will have a Real Defensive Coach now.
3. We are far superior in the QB dept
4. We have an improved OL
5. Our schedule is not that tough

Strike one ....

3-13

Agree w this

100% .... I've said it 4 or 5 times that i believe we can win up to 6 games not because we improved that much but because theres just a lot of bad football teams and we have improved some ..

Not to mention we could have, or should have won 3-4 last year considering bad kicks, a young team, and bad coaching decisions.

You forgot to add "had more talent" to your list.

No, I don't think it was necessary for the context of my comment. More talent would have added more wins.

Hey! We have that this year!!!! That's good news. Right?

I don't know if we have more talent or not. Glad you do, though.

But then again..........some people have to defend the FO no matter what.

Someone had to say it.


{LOL...........does that strike a bell, peen?]

Sure it does. Goes back to a comment I made a day or two ago about Hue.

If I was talking about the FO, I would be in the FO thread.

I think it foolish to think we don't have more talent between the draft and FA signings. You really don't think we have more talent?

What I said about Hue stands. I don't think he needs to go anywhere any time, but like it or not, wins and losses are going to start counting at some point. I am not going to put a date on it at this point, but you have to agree that a head coach is at some point graded on his won loss record.

Take it to the music world which you care about. You can have a really good band, but if nobody buys their records, how long do they have a record contract?

Not very long is the answer. Not that you needed any help with that.

Read you loud and clear, hoss!

Just so you know...........when you, Diam, and others are ragging on Hue this year and trying to get him fired......I will be fighting back and telling you that this team does not have adequate talent. Is that clear?

Oh, btw bro..............you never answered this question despite me asking it a couple of times:

If you were okay w/the complete tear-down and staring over [which you were,] how can you expect that same team to go from 1 win to 7 or 8 wins in a single year?

Are you really saying that we added that much talent? LMAO

Hue deserves time. We do have more talent than we did in the spring of 2016. Talent on paper, with hope they will get better. We are such a young team, have so many what-ifs and unknowns.
I believe we'll be significantly better this season, partly because I'm wired that way as a fan, partly because the youngsters should get better.

I think our defence will be much improved.

Bro................hope and reality are often two very different things.