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Smooth criminal right there

Careful, you might have to give some royalties to Michal Jackson's estate for using his song title!

Yeah, y'all can deflect w/the best of them.

But, there's this thing that I am NOT going to let go about illegals being real human beings and that being prejudiced against them is dead wrong.

Let's go!

Damn Pittsburgh people should all be deported. Damn Polka loving, Ic light drinking, Kielbasa eating, inbred, yinzers

That's definitely where we should start, after them we can clear out Ann Arbor!

Nobody deflected anything, I responded directly to you in everything you said. Probably oughta slow that elbow down when you want to get into a heated debate like this.

ALL for it.

http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/3...law-enforcement

ICE chief praises Trump, plans to send more agents to sanctuary cities

Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Acting Director Thomas Homan on Tuesday said he plans to further crack down on undocumented immigrants by sending more resources and agents to sanctuary cities.

Homan told Washington Examiner on Tuesday that he plans to address "ludicrous" sanctuary cities.

"In the America I grew up in, cities didn't shield people who violated the law," Homan told the publication. “What I want to get is a clear understanding from everybody, from the congressmen to the politicians to law enforcement to those who enter the country illegally, that ICE is open for business."

"We’re going to enforce the laws on the books without apology, we’ll continue to prioritize what we do,” Homan continued. “But it’s not OK to violate the laws of this country anymore, you’re going to be held accountable.”

During his interview with the Examiner, Homan also praised the Trump administration, saying it has "taken the handcuffs off law enforcement," allowing them to address immigration more thoroughly.

"You can like President Trump, not like him, like his policies, not like his policies, but one thing no one can argue with is the effect they've had," said Homan.

According to Homan, illegal border crossings have decreased by 70 percent under Trump and arrests inside the country have increased by 40 percent.

The 30-year immigration agency veteran also said he has gotten a green light to hire 10,000 new immigration agents, who will work to arrest illegal criminals sheltered in sanctuary cities and elsewhere.

Sanctuary cities are jurisdictions with policies limiting cooperation between local law enforcement and federal immigration agents and include cities such as New York, San Francisco, Chicago and Austin.

President Trump campaigned on cracking down on illegal immigration and stepping up border security.

I like it but will be even happier when they start locking up Mayors and Council members from those Sanctuary Cities.

Not trying to wade into this "argument" that you're having over illegal aliens here in the US...

but the whole idea behind sanctuary cities always irked me. Wouldn't it be more productive to campaign and strive to change the laws than to officially ignore federal laws? Critics will say that that is just the typical liberal mindset... look to the government to take care of everything, but then ignore laws you don't like.

If you're that opposed to a law, then work to change the law.

Excellent post!

This is exactly how our Constitution tells us it must work.
We are a Nation of Laws.

Make laws and follow them.
Don't like a law, work to change it.

You must not ignore laws already on the books or you will delegitimize all laws.

What happened to states rights?

Don't many of you see this as government overreach?

Or is State rights only cool with slavery, Jim Crow, and refusing to marry same-sex couples?

The law that applies to situations where state and federal laws disagree is called the supremacy clause, which is part of article VI of the Constitution. The supremacy clause contains what's known as the doctrine of pre-emption, which says that the federal government wins in the case of conflicting legislation.

I understand this.

I'm just talking about the multiple times where conservatives cry "states rights!", but you basically argue that "states rights!" means next to nothing.

I'll remember this for the future.

Yes, please remember this for the future as it has only been around for like 200 years.

Maybe you should remember this the next time a southern state doesn't follow federal law.

Immigration law is a federal issue; it affects all of us. Consider making it a states' rights issue and having 50 different sets of immigration law and effectively many new borders-- a logistical nightmare, at best.

That's quite a bit different than states deciding whether or not weed should be legal or whatever.

You may consider it to be different, but it's really not.

The exact same law 40 described above holds true for weed as well. Federal law trumps state law.

What I meant is that immigration law is largely handled by the federal government and that's how it should be. Who we let into our country affects all of us. A country is largely a reflection of its people. There's nothing magical about what makes the U.S., Canada, Australia, Japan, and many European countries such desirable places to live other than the people that live in them and their collective work, lifestyle, and community building over many years.

Dump a million third-world migrants into one of those countries and no matter how much time, money, and energy is spent trying to integrate them, there will still be a large gulf between the average ability and demeanor of the migrants and that of the host population. Schools, hospitals, and social welfare get overburdened. Social trust and cohesion drop. The people of several European countries are learning this the exceedingly hard way. Will sanity prevail? That is anyone's guess, but I suspect it won't happen anytime soon.

The least we can do is learn from their mistakes and not exacerbate our own at home. Illegal immigration must be cracked down on-- that much is obvious. The more controversial viewpoint is that even legal immigration should probably be reduced and converted to more of a merit-based system. The idea there is we want to let people into our country who have useful skills for a modern economy (think doctors, engineers) and who are likely to be positives for society. Those who have no useful skills, or who are may pose a threat should go elsewhere. Automation has already made countless menial jobs redundant, and that will only become more true in the future.


As far as weed: I would be fine with weed being a states' rights issue. I don't see the pressing need for the federal government to be involved in that like it does for immigration, or even some harder drugs. That is, you could make a pressing case that the federal government rightfully bans and should crack down on heroin, as it is necessary and proper to do so in order to save countless lives, but obviously a different argument would be needed for weed.

If the State of West Virginia declares war on China are we committed?

I actually agree with most of your post including the portion I quoted. My issue with "illegal" immigration is just that, it's illegal. There are numbers set for legal immigration based on how many people our nation can absorb on a yearly basis.

About the part I quoted. I agree with this too, but the fact is that marijuana is also covered by federal law. It's hard for me to pick and choose trying to decide which federal laws to uphold and which ones to say they should ignore. My preference is that the feds leave weed laws to the states. That doesn't change that they have the power and authority to enforce marijuana laws any time they choose.

And when considering that, I believe we must also consider that the man enforcing federal law, Jeff Sessions has plainly stated, "Good people don't smoke marijuana".

Jeff Sessions is right good people do not smoke marijuana, Only criminals.

lol

WTF, Dawg... no mention of Bowie in your attribution?

Don't be a pretender...

Love me some Queen/Freddie, but DAMN...

No love for Major Tom???

If you'll notice, I quickly realized I had more to contribute to Vers Duets thread than I thought I did and immediately scampered from this thread to that one to mention the Queen/David Bowie song Under Pressure.

My apologies!

This is another ENTIRELY STUPID comment. According to this logic over 1/2 of all adult Americans are criminals! Idiocy.

New Poll Finds Majority of Americans Have Smoked Marijuana



http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-poll-finds-majority-americans-have-smoked-pot-n747476

Gaydar, women's intuition, or "blackdar" (that's a little racists sounding so I'm glad you said it was a poor joke) are what happens when you are fine tuned to a specific thing.

Gay people identify other gay people because they look for the sign's. That comes from being forced to hide who you truly are for 100's of years in a society that refuses to accept your lifestyle and sexual identity.

Women's intuition comes from 1000's of years of oppression by men, responsibly raising children, and secretly controlling everything from behind the scenes without letting men know they are in that oppressive environment.

Swish's divining is merely the ability to spot (and question) even the smallest slight or the obvious bigotry displayed by others because on some level they don't think of you as fully human or equally human due to skin color, where your ancestors are from, or the language you speak. Again, this comes from a history of oppression and defense of one's equality.

That does not make it right!!!

???

Who is the arbiter of "right"?

It may or may not make it 'right', but it does make it commonplace. We can keep our heads stuck in the ground if we want, or we can practice empathy.

The Law.

You may want to keep that quite. The Liberals have no idea what that is. They think smoking dope and entering the country without proper paperwork is fine but talking to a person from a foreign country is a crime.

Because they are stuu-pid.

I adoor when posters suggist that other posters are stoopid while macking stoopid speling airs. There loosers and doesn't make no cents.

Sanctuary city standoff looms as ICE director vows agent surge

Thousands of new ICE agents to be sent to sanctuary cities
The acting ICE director is vowing to use new resources to target undocumented immigrants in sanctuary cities – a move likely to hit resistance from mayors and local law enforcement who previously have refused to cooperate with federal authorities.

ICE Director Thomas Homan told The Washington Examiner he thinks sanctuary cities like New York and San Francisco are “ludicrous” and plans to direct extra agents to those areas.

“What I want to get to is a clear understanding from everybody, from the congressmen to the politicians to law enforcement to those who enter the country illegally, that ICE is open for business,” Homan said.

'ICE is open for business.'


Attorney General Jeff Sessions also traveled Friday to Philadelphia, one of the nation's biggest sanctuary cities, to call out the local government for not cooperating with federal immigration policies. He said such cities “aren’t giving sanctuary to law-abiding people but criminals” and urged Philadelphia to “reconsider carefully the harm they are doing to their citizens.”

When the supposed agent surge starts is still up in the air -- and contingent on funding as well as the sometimes sluggish pace of federal employee vetting and hiring.

ICE currently has more than 20,000 employees in 400 offices across the country as well as agents in 46 countries. It has an operating budget of about $6 billion. Adding another 10,000 employees, as President Trump has indicated he wants, will cost millions.

For example, in fiscal 2017, ICE requested $6.6 million to hire 100 new officers.

An ICE spokesperson told Fox News there is no specific operational plan or timetable in place yet but that the agency will focus new resources that come their way on places that don’t cooperate with detainer requests.

"As Director Homan stated, uncooperative jurisdictions have a higher rate of criminal alien releases than in places that honor ICE detainers,” the ICE official told Fox News. “As a result, ICE is forced to focus additional resources to conduct at-large arrests in the field in these non-cooperative areas."

The requests, sometimes called immigration holds, are a vital tool the agency uses to go after illegal immigrants. The detainer asks local authorities to hold a person in jail up to 48 hours beyond when he or she is set to be released so federal officials can take them into custody.

The crackdown on sanctuary cities lines up with Trump’s promised prioritization of the issue on the campaign trail. Members of his administration have repeatedly tried to link violent crime to illegal immigration – though mayors of sanctuary cities across the country have pushed back on that assertion.

“Actually, cities like Austin (Texas) are safer and have better economies,” Austin Mayor Steve Adler said in a statement. “ICE should be figuring out why that’s true and applying those lessons.”

While not a technical term, “sanctuary cities” are places that have refused to work with Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials after detaining undocumented immigrants. By law, they are required to inform the feds when they have an illegal immigrant in custody, even if he or she has not been convicted of a crime.

There are an estimated 200 to 608 local and state governments with some sort of sanctuary policy in place – however, their degree of cooperation varies. Some work with federal authorities on felony convictions while others only comply in civil investigations. There are a few places that refuse to cooperate altogether.

The Trump administration has tried to strong-arm some jurisdictions into reversing their sanctuary policies by threatening to cut off millions of dollars in federal funds.

Late Thursday, a San Francisco federal judge refused to reinstate Trump’s sanctuary cities order, which sought to slash funding to cities that limit their cooperation with federal immigration authorities. The ruling is the latest turn in the heated battle between the Trump administration and local governments pushing back on the policies.

Sessions has said that sanctuary cities like Philadelphia are violating the supremacy clause of the U.S .Constitution by limiting local law enforcement cooperation with federal immigration authorities.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/...gent-surge.html

Taking our Country back, step by step by step!

Texas police agencies get some ICE powers

The acting director of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency signed more than a dozen agreements with local Texas law enforcement entities on Monday, giving them the authority to perform certain functions as federal immigration agents.

Thomas Homan, who took over as the acting director of ICE in January 2017, signed 18 new agreements with Texas law enforcement agencies to allow officers to interrogate individuals who have been arrested on their immigration status. Officers also will be able to place detainers on individuals.

“It is common sense partnerships like these that help law enforcement achieve our mutual goals, and I’m encouraged by the increased interest from law enforcement professionals who seek to join this program and protect public safety,” Homan said in a statement.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/31/texas-police-agencies-get-some-ice-powers.html

Move 'em on, head 'em up
Head 'em up, move 'em on
Move 'em on, head 'em up
Rawhide
Cut 'em out, ride 'em in
Ride 'em in, cut 'em out
Cut 'em out, ride 'em in
Rawhide
Keep movin', movin', movin'
Though they're disapprovin'
Keep them doggies movin', rawhide
Don't try to understand 'em
Just rope, throw an' brand 'em
Soon we'll be livin' high an' wide
Rawhide

US moves to build barriers along US-Mexico border near San Diego

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security on Tuesday said it would allow expedited construction of security-related barriers and roads along the nation's southern border with Mexico near San Diego, waiving environmental and other related laws.

In a statement, DHS said the infrastructure projects would focus on a roughly 15-mile (24 km) segment extending eastwards from the Pacific Ocean as part of U.S. President Donald Trump's planned border wall between the United States and Mexico.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/01/us-moves...-san-diego.html

Another episode of "The Tale of the Dinosaur that Ate it's Tail."

No, just we the people taking our Country back.
step by
step by
step.

Do you see a topographical issue w/building a wall?

doesn't sound like a wall to me.