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Tim Tebow is the perfect example of why you are right. Sometimes a good team can win despite the QB, not because of the QB. Brock Osweiler is also the perfect example of why I am right. He was the worst QB in the league and went 8-6. I'm sure the best defense in the league didn't have anything to do with that record.
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Brock Osweiler is also the perfect example of why I am right. He was the worst QB in the league and went 8-6. I'm sure the best defense in the league didn't have anything to do with that record. Brock Osweiller on the Texans might have been weak, but the year before on the Broncos, he wasn't that bad. Elway was ready to drop a decent amount of money on him to be their starter. I just don't think Elway would be that wrong in a decision. I don't think Brock is the long-term answer. But I don't think he's the worst QB in the NFL or anything. Like I said, I wouldn't be surprised if he's the best guy on this team right now. I really don't like what I've heard about Kessler, and I saw some stuff last season at Notre Dame that makes me think Kizer might need a bit of time before starting. Kizer was just so inconsistent. I get that Osweiller looked terrible last year. But he didn't look too bad when I watched him play for the Super Bowl Broncos. Folks point out to his play in Houston, but ignore his play in Denver.
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There really isn't anything out there worth a damn so they should be calling. if we can get a day 2 pick for Brock, you go for it. Don't look back. 1 year guy for us at 16 mil as a backup vs getting some salary relief and a pick. Sashi pulls off a 2nd to take him and a 2nd to ship him, he is a freaking genius.
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I get that Osweiller looked terrible last year. But he didn't look too bad when I watched him play for the Super Bowl Broncos. Folks point out to his play in Houston, but ignore his play in Denver. Brock Osweiler was so good in Denver that they benched him in favor of a QB who threw 17 INTs in 10 games. Osweiler was mediocre in a small sample size for Denver, when teams started to figure him out, he was benched. He then played in 15 games for the Texans and was terrible. John Elway is not infallible. All NFL front offices make mistakes. Elway and the Broncos dodged a bullet when Osweiler didn't take their offer.
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Not me Petey .. i watched EVERY SNAP HE TOOK in Denver and Houston ... he had some positives in denver ... but overall he was below average at best ...
The O talent he had in both places FAR EXCEEDS OURS .. we have no one named Hopkins, Thomas, Sanders or Miller on our team ..
in denver he was BENCHED for a QB formerly known as Payton Manning .. he literally couldn't throw the ball 30 yards downfield anymore ... he had a 9:17 TD to INt. Ratio ... ya ... 9 TOUCHDOWNS to 17 PICKS ... even Payton's rookie year wasn't near that bad .. i think his rookie year it was 25:28 ..
This dude may start .. but like I said .. its not cause he's EVEN AVERAGE .. it will be because CK showed zero improvement and Hue decided to do the right thing with Kizer ...
We only have ONE POTENTIAL starting QB on this roster ... and like you, I'd rather see him sit for the year ... but it appears were not going to get our wish ...
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j/c
If we can't get:
A 3rd AND they take the salary...
I'd just keep the guy.
Pipe? Maybe. But it's my pipe. ooops .. what cfr said ....  I'd trade him for a 7th and 1/2 his salary ... another 8 mill in cap space this or next year certainly isn't going to hurt .. I think we can both enjoy our pipes .. *L* .. Yep. Look...I don't think he's any good...by any stretch. At the same time, I don't think he's awful. We've gone through more than 2-3 QBs per year more often than I can remember. I'd keep him as QB 3 and try to get Hogan to the PS. BO - as bad as he is - has value to us and even more value to a team like the Dolphins or Colts. (Insert vomit icon.) If Hogan was/is a viable #3, then maybe I'd be more-inclined to give BO away for salary relief. But I think someone is going to overpay for him...again.
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We've gone through more than 2-3 QBs per year more often than I can remember. I'd keep him as QB 3 and try to get Hogan to the PS. BO - as bad as he is - has value to us and even more value to a team like the Dolphins or Colts. (Insert vomit icon.) If you are using two or three QBs, you are probably terrible. You can be terrible no matter who your QB is. Trade the #3 for something and be terrible with more draft picks (hello Andy Lee!).
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I think Brock has more value right now than a day two pick for us...now come a few weeks in the season and we get an idea how the line looks and the rest of the QB's , then so be it
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We need 2-3 QB's every year because of all the injuries. Heck, last year we needed 6!! I'd keep 3 QB's and put KH on the practice squad.
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If we can get a 2018 3rd (or even a 2nd!), I'd work it so that we eat all but $2 or $3 million of his salary.
I mean, seriously.... we would effectively then pay $13-14 million to receive a 2nd and a 2nd/3rd so that we could broker Houston sending Osweiller to Miami. The cash is meaningless to us; this would be akin to robbery on the level only the IRS and banks can pull off.
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If we can get a 2018 3rd (or even a 2nd!), I'd work it so that we eat all but $2 or $3 million of his salary.
I mean, seriously.... we would effectively then pay $13-14 million to receive a 2nd and a 2nd/3rd so that we could broker Houston sending Osweiller to Miami. The cash is meaningless to us; this would be akin to robbery on the level only the IRS and banks can pull off.
I'm not sure we could get anything but a conditional 6/7 rounder. But I could be wrong.
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He is going to be our QB for the next 5 to 7 years. He not going anywhere lol.
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If we can get a 2018 3rd (or even a 2nd!), I'd work it so that we eat all but $2 or $3 million of his salary.
I mean, seriously.... we would effectively then pay $13-14 million to receive a 2nd and a 2nd/3rd so that we could broker Houston sending Osweiller to Miami. The cash is meaningless to us; this would be akin to robbery on the level only the IRS and banks can pull off.
I'm not sure we could get anything but a conditional 6/7 rounder. But I could be wrong. That is enough for me.
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He's probably the best we got right now, and that ain't saying much, yet, people want to get rid of him.
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just hope Brock played good enough to make Miami go hmm lol
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After viewing practice & listening to Hue Jackson, I expect Brock Osweiler will be Browns starting QB on Thus nite v Saints. We'll see Mon.
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Brock did a pretty good job against our 1's with reserves on his side. The others did nothing with our 1's against our reserves, and got extra plays to boot.
BO deserves reps with the 1's.
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After viewing practice & listening to Hue Jackson, I expect Brock Osweiler will be Browns starting QB on Thus nite v Saints. We'll see Mon. I trust Nate Ulrich more than I trust Tony Grossi.
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2. Sagging confidence: The biggest tip-off of a switch to Osweiler – and not to rookie DeShone Kizer – was Jackson’s stated desire to win a game on Thursday to set a tone for the preseason. “I want to go through the weekend, go through last night and go through today and really sit down and make what I think is the best decision for our football team for Thursday night,” Jackson said. “That is what is important. I will keep stressing that Thursday night may be different than what the regular season may be. If it is, it is. If it isn’t, then it isn’t, too. My job is to make sure that I put the guy out there who gives us the best chance to score points and help this team win. That is what I’m going to do.” Jackson conceded that he has a different urgency about this preseason than last year, when the Browns went 0-4 in practice games and proceeded to lose 14 in a row in the real season en route to a 1-15 debacle. “I do not want to go 0-4 again,” Jackson said. “I don’t want to feel like that. I don’t think this team deserves that. We need to go out and play good in front of our fans and go win. I don’t care what we are playing. I just think that has got to be our mindset. I think the mindset is different than what it is. If we are going to play, we need to go win. Everybody … says that, but I mean it. We need to go win.” http://www.espn.com/blog/cleveland/post/...-preseason-gamewhy he has to ask the fo i would think...
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2. Sagging confidence: The biggest tip-off of a switch to Osweiler – and not to rookie DeShone Kizer – was Jackson’s stated desire to win a game on Thursday to set a tone for the preseason. “I want to go through the weekend, go through last night and go through today and really sit down and make what I think is the best decision for our football team for Thursday night,” Jackson said. “That is what is important. I will keep stressing that Thursday night may be different than what the regular season may be. If it is, it is. If it isn’t, then it isn’t, too. My job is to make sure that I put the guy out there who gives us the best chance to score points and help this team win. That is what I’m going to do.” Jackson conceded that he has a different urgency about this preseason than last year, when the Browns went 0-4 in practice games and proceeded to lose 14 in a row in the real season en route to a 1-15 debacle. “I do not want to go 0-4 again,” Jackson said. “I don’t want to feel like that. I don’t think this team deserves that. We need to go out and play good in front of our fans and go win. I don’t care what we are playing. I just think that has got to be our mindset. I think the mindset is different than what it is. If we are going to play, we need to go win. Everybody … says that, but I mean it. We need to go win.” http://www.espn.com/blog/cleveland/post/...-preseason-game Wow ... Hue sounds like hes under pressure allready ... pre season isn't about winning and losing ... its about evaluating ... With that said .. I'd expect to see our starters out there longer than most teams to build some continuity and cohesion ... i get that ... This however sounds like hes putting undue pressure on himself and for some reason he thinks a pre season win will somehow carry over into the regular season ... not sure of his reasoning here ... this ain't his first rodeo ... For his sake i hope we go 4 - 0 or at least win 1 game ... if we go 0 - 4 it sounds like hes going to meltdown before the games actually matter ...  ...
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*LOL* .. theres that over reacting thing ...
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*LOL* .. theres that over reacting thing ... I am only reacting to Hue Jackson's words. We are going to be bad this year and Jackson is worried about a preseason game. That is not a good sign.
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*LOL* .. theres that over reacting thing ... I am only reacting to Hue Jackson's words. We are going to be bad this year and Jackson is worried about a preseason game. That is not a good sign. I agree with that ... about him worrying about a pre-season game ... I'm also wondering why he has diarrhea of the mouth when it comes to the QB situation ... he's talking in circles almost .... make a statement and move on .... if i was him ... " our qb situation is fluid right now, the sooner we have a clear cut starter the better but as of now we need more info" ... Not much more to say than that ... It also worries me that he wants Sashi's and Podesta's input on this decision ... isn't he the FOOTBALL COACH ... I'm not a fan at all of FO folks having input on who the starters are ... but thats just me ..
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It also worries me that he wants Sashi's and Podesta's input on this decision ... isn't he the FOOTBALL COACH ... I'm not a fan at all of FO folks having input on who the starters are ... but thats just me ..
this. I know it's about collaboration, but if I'm Sashi or Depdesta ... I'd say, YOU'RE the coach. Pick who you need. Do what you want with reps, etc.
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Well that actually would have Brock with the 2's as they get the most reps in the first game not the starter...one or two series only.
Brock did very good but too bad he couldn't finish. FG's are for losers....
We got two preseason games and practices for QB to be settled and decided on...I think we are over reacting on a scrimmage with our own team where we cannot hit the QB. Knocking the QB down has a lot of effect.
jmho...if anyone offers us a 3rd rounder or better its a no brainer.
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While "worrying" about winning a preseason game isn't the way to go about it.
I understand the idea of wanting to win. Regardless of what kind of game it is.
There's a lot of young guys here. Whom a lot of probably won a lot in college. Then they come into the NFL and lose 14 (18) straight games..
That bleeds into a season where you're 0-4 and "Welp, here we go again"
You can't turn a losing culture, into a winning one, without winning.
Even if it has to start in the preseason.
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“I want to go through the weekend, go through last night and go through today and really sit down and make what I think is the best decision for our football team for Thursday night,” Jackson said. “That is what is important. I will keep stressing that Thursday night may be different than what the regular season may be. If it is, it is. If it isn’t, then it isn’t, too. My job is to make sure that I put the guy out there who gives us the best chance to score points and help this team win. That is what I’m going to do.” Jackson conceded that he has a different urgency about this preseason than last year, when the Browns went 0-4 in practice games and proceeded to lose 14 in a row in the real season en route to a 1-15 debacle. “I do not want to go 0-4 again,” Jackson said. “I don’t want to feel like that. I don’t think this team deserves that. We need to go out and play good in front of our fans and go win. I don’t care what we are playing. I just think that has got to be our mindset. I think the mindset is different than what it is. If we are going to play, we need to go win. Everybody … says that, but I mean it. We need to go win.” He sounds worried about winning and stressed about his QB options.
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If Brock starts, and I was on record saying I wouldn't be surprised if so, then this means two obvious things:
1. Cody will not ever posses the physical traits to operate Hue's offense.
2. Kizer is not close to being ready, despite all the "reports" saying as such.
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While "worrying" about winning a preseason game isn't the way to go about it.
I understand the idea of wanting to win. Regardless of what kind of game it is.
There's a lot of young guys here. Whom a lot of probably won a lot in college. Then they come into the NFL and lose 14 (18) straight games..
That bleeds into a season where you're 0-4 and "Welp, here we go again"
You can't turn a losing culture, into a winning one, without winning.
Even if it has to start in the preseason. Agreed. Young players many of which just went thru a 1 and 15 season. Needs wins whenever they can get them. If for no other reason besides confidence building.
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If Kessler doesn't have the physical tools to run Jackson's offense then why did he even draft him last year ?
Drafting Kessler is and was a huge blunder by this organization and compounded by the fact Presscot was still on the board
Giving reps to Kessler now is a waste of time cause we all know what he is as a qb.
Let Kizer be the starter. It was make him that much more ready for 2018.
Osweiler isn't any better than the last 14 starting qbs for the Browns. He has no upside at all.
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