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All were bad. Hogan was probably the best of the four.

Osweiler 94 yards on 16 attempts. 5.8 yards per attempt. Oof.

Kizer looked lost.

Kessler was bad and couldn't throw downfield either (worse than Osweiler).

Our best bet is to play Kizer and hope he develops. These other guys are not good.

I gotta give you all, who watched the game, a round of applause. The camera job was so secretive that I didn't even know the formation half the time. It also gave me a closeup on all of the QB's horrendous footwork and wobbly balls. I didn't see a nice spiral for most of that game. Looks like we're selecting a QB first next year. Thank you all for filling me in to what I tuned out of. I can't wait until the 10th to see just how bad, yet promising we are this year.

Maybe our defense is just the best of all time?

j/c

Thanks for the feedback from people who watched.

It's that time of the year ... after the hype and hyperbole and the high expectations that come with every off season, you know, when they aren't actually on a field looking ordinary - I think this sounds like a disappointing evening.

Bottom line the season hangs on the QB - and even with a relatively low expectation of winning 6 games, the QB has to be able to play nearly average. Sounds like we have a long way to go.

Thanks for the feedback on the WR's and Leslie who is getting praise. . . How about Britt? What is he looking like? I keep hearing the guy is a beast physically - but is he running good routes and is he getting separation?

The camera work was so bad it was hard to see much besides the QB throwing the ball.

General thought:

Any news on the play of these 4:

Xavier Cooper
Nate Orchard
Emmanuel Ogbah
Carl Nassib

Defense pretty much knows what the offense is gonna do, so by the time they have a scrimmage, its usually not pretty for the offense unless the defense really sucks. That was the encouraging part.

Team speed especially on defense was freakish with the additions of Collins, peppers and Garrett. Garrett looked like the coked up version of LT coming around that corner and doing it in a a 275 pound body. Just insane.

Looking forward to seeing what these guys can do against Brees considering how well he moves in the pocket.

also looking forward to seeing what our OL can do against a suspect front 7 of the Saints.

I want to see Brock and Kizer get the reps with the ones this week. Kessler is looking for pressure instead of targets and you just cant play the game that way especially when you aren't even gonna get hit. It would be hard to keep Kessler over Hogan to be honest and I do like Cody.

On the feed i watched ... u couldn't see diddly but the ball .. pre-snap they had the camera on the qb ... then they followed him until he either handed off or threw it ..

IT STUNK ...

On a couple of the sites I've seen certain plays from the field level and they showed the lines and then followed the ball .. but that wasn't very many plays and u couldn't really tell who was who ...

Very tough to get any accurate reads on anyone but the QB's .. OL/DL( not individuals on them) ...

Was not what i was hoping for ... barely better than nothing ...

OO and I forgot to mention Gonzales has a freaking cannon. Looks like we got a rookie kicker.

Bree's .. *LOL* ...

We may not even see him ... if we do .. 2 series at the most ...

Was that u holding the ... BRING BACK MANZIEL sign last night ... *LOL* ..

the way the QBs were looking, I was ready to break out the free Manziel banner lol

I'm SO tired of seeing our same, awful QB play ... it's beyond aggravating at this point. I mean, we can't even get an AVERAGE player behind center. It's like a Chinese firedrill when the ball is snapped

Why u gotta insult the Chinese like that ... *L* ..

It was one scrimmage .. relax .. it was ugly but it was just one scrimmage ...

Someone made a post about folks over reacting ... I'd say they were psychic but thats been the pattern around here for the last 20 years ... *LOL* ..

Seriously .. someone had a ... bring back MANZIEL sign ...

QB breakdown: Brock Osweiler helps himself, DeShone Kizer not so much
2:45 PM ET
Pat McManamon
ESPN Staff Writer


BEREA, Ohio -- As the first preseason game approaches, the Cleveland Browns are wading in the muck with their quarterback situation.

Nobody really has won the job, and at no point has it become clear that one player deserves the job.

Friday's scrimmage didn't do much to clear up the situation. Browns coach Hue Jackson said if there is any change in the order of the guys competing, it will show in Monday's practice.

Here's a look a who helped and who hurt themselves in what was essentially an egg-dropped-on-the-sidewalk kind of night.


Brock Osweiler looked the most comfortable of the Browns' four quarterbacks in Friday's scrimmage. Joshua Gunter/Cleveland.com via AP
Stock up: Brock Osweiler

Osweiler looked the most comfortable and got some things accomplished, and he did it with the second-team offense against the first-team defense. No stats were kept, but Osweiler had a nice throw to Jordan Leslie in a two-minute drill and audibled out of a short run on third down to take a shot down the field against man coverage. He also told the tale of running a play and not getting the result he wanted; when the helmet headset later went out, Osweiler pulled a "heck with it." He ducked in the huddle and called the same play and got the result he wanted. That's a little bit of gumption that comes with experience. Osweiler didn't set new standards for the position -- the second-team offense managed three field goals -- but he did look the most comfortable and most energetic on the field. It would not be in the least surprising if he were with the starters on Monday. If he is, it will be for the first time since he joined the team.

Stock down: Cody Kessler

Kessler's performance is why Osweiler could start in the preseason opener against New Orleans and maybe even Week 1 against Pittsburgh. When Kessler first started as a rookie, he threw for 244 and 223 yards in close losses to Miami and Washington. He had a bunch of yards late in a loss to Tennessee, but he has not matched that level of production or performance since. In camp and in the scrimmage, he does not looked comfortable. He's taken sacks, and his continued emphasis on underneath throws does not exactly buttress the claim he improved his arm strength in the offseason. In two of his three series against the second-team defense, he went three-and-out. Jackson has given the impression he hoped Kessler would win the job and start against Pittsburgh, but Kessler has not yet backed up his coach's faith. He still has time, and the easy thing would be to start him against New Orleans because he's been the guy out there first, but he has to stop the slide if he hopes to keep the job.

Stock down: DeShone Kizer


This would not be a steep drop, mind you, but it would be enough of a drop to put the brakes on the hopes that were growing in camp. Judging Kizer against Kessler and Osweiler can be misleading because the good throws Kizer makes stand out more when the other two aren't getting a lot done. In the scrimmage, Kizer looked like a rookie who still has a lot to learn. Concerns about his accuracy linger from college, and in all practices and the scrimmages he's completing 51 percent of his passes, according to unofficial numbers kept by ESPN Cleveland. That's just not good enough. Kizer deserves credit for guiding the offense to the 15 on his last possession, but he did not finish the drive while facing second-team and third-team players, some of whom won't be in the NFL after preseason. The scrimmage stressed that the Browns might be need to be patient with him. That being said, it would also not be surprising if Jackson decided he needs to see Kizer in real live action Thursday, which means Kizer would get snaps in the first half. The flip side: Kizer is 21 and learning to call plays in the huddle and make pre-snap reads for the first time in his life. There is plenty of time for him to grow without being rushed.




Stock up: Kevin Hogan

Sometimes it helps to be the guy not in the spotlight. For whatever it's worth, Jackson for the first time mentioned four quarterbacks when he discussed the team's situation on Friday. That at least puts Hogan in the discussion, something that hasn't happened to this point. One thing Hogan does is get rid of the ball, and he has done it better than Kessler. The offense's biggest play was a 42-yard throw Hogan made to Jordan Payton. In live work, Myles Garrett would have obliterated Hogan, but that doesn't change the fact that Hogan completed a nice pass. It's tough to see Hogan carrying a team through an entire season, but he did help himself in the scrimmage.

http://www.espn.com/blog/cleveland-brown...zer-not-so-much

Just a thought here, and JC....


We don't need to foster unrealistic standards.


Myle Garrett isn't going to get 4-5 sacks a game. He isn't going to average 1 a game. So don't buy in to Mary Kay " I love QB's" Cabot when she gushes about Kiser or others about Garrett getting 5 sacks.

I was disappointed with the passing game as a whole last night.

I don't think any of the QBs showed that they can start,and win, on this team.

Now it is still very early on, but someone had better start stepping up.

Kessler looked a bit lost, which was disappointing. Kizer missed guys left and right, both not seeing them, or being way off with his throws. Osweiller had one good throw, and a bunch of "meh" throws. Hogan was ok, but nothing special.

If I were the coach, and had to make a pick among them for the 1st preseason game, I think that I'd throw their names in a hat, and just pick one.

Ugh. I was really disappointed that neither Kesler, not Kizer, looked even remotely decent against backups, and backups' backups.

Final thoughts from the scrimmage/things to keep an eye on for the rest of preseason:

-Joe Haden. Moved well, looked better then he did last year that's for sure.
Is this the new old Joe? It will be telling how he looks as the preseason goes on.

-Peppers was on the field with the 1st unit defense. He played SS and played some snaps at FS. Peppers looks every bit the fluid athlete that was at Michigan. Moves and changes direction with ease and hits with pop.

-Kindred and Campbell were the starting safeties. Based on the call they rotated at FS. Maybe they've improved from last year where both struggled mightly. Prior to the start of the season I thought both had the skillset to play Safety in the NFL but as the season wore on I began to see them as SS only. Maybe that has changed.....

-The playing calling for the white team on offense was much more pass centric while the brown was run centric. From the start of the game the white team was in shotgun formations with targets on quick passes slants, crossing, TE speed out routes. I think the playcalling played a role early on in how the passing game looked. The Brown team opened it up in the second half but Kizer was off with ball placement.

-I didn't like how easily the white team ran the ball against the 1st DL.
The white team was able to beat Carder in man-to-man although he had good coverage. Alexander missed a tackle. Trends or mistakes to be cleaned up?

-Ogunjobi and Covey? Looked stout in the middle of the 2nd team DL.
Burgess and Holmes were active. Nacua had a PBU at S. And Currie was active and had a good presence.

-Pryor was active at S with a couple of PBU but they probably should have been interceptions

Come on guys. We all know how this is going to turn out.

Osweiller is going to start: He is going to be less than average until he gets hurt somewhere between Weeks 2 and 5.

At that point Kessler will get the start. He will look good for a game or two and then stink for one or two.

At that point they will start Kizer. He will have a GREAT game and two crappy games, and Osweiller will come back, look like crap, and get knocked out for the season.

Then they will start Kessler, who will have a season ending injury.

Kizer will start the next game and look terrible. Then Hogan will start the next and look terrible. They will then go back and forth until one has a season ending injury, and the other will get pummeled by Pittsburgh at the end of the season.

In April they will have a top 5 pick and be looking for a QB. Fortunately they will finally have a decent defense and will be able to focus on building an offense.

Looking good in 2019

My cousin was at camp today. Said Joe looked really good.

Man, I hope so. IT was brutal how he got owned last year too often. Hope the DC has "found" that corner we had lost in Joe Haden. We could use some help for him up front with pressure.

It would be great to wear my Joe Haden jersey again...

Or maybe it was that he sustained significant injuries and concussions that past two seasons and now he is 100%? Unfortunately 2 years older as well, but it is what it is.

He could have had his groin repaired last season, but chose to play through the season. Thats a trooper and a team player.

I think that he is primed to have an all pro year.

He injured both groins too. I'm not saying he is going to have an all-pro season just yet, but I think people overlooked some very unfortunate things that happened to him the last 2 years.

Good to hear. If Haden is merely a good starting CB then its a huge upgrade over the players he's been the past couple years.

If Haden has returned to his pro-bowl level play its a huge bump for the defense overall.

As goes Joe......

Joe Haden is the least of our worries.