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We all hope he has success.

But you can't prove wrong the reality of the situation. I'm not saying he's going to fail....i have no idea what's gonna happen...i just now it's gonna be a tough uphill climb to success.

I'd clarify that statement a bit. We're paying Brock a ton of money to be a 2018 2nd round pick. Anything above that was gravy.

This is no guarantee that Kizer will start the regular season. I knew Hue wouldn't commit to that yet before game 3.

I am hoping Kizer starts though. I'm not really understanding why people are saying his first start shouldn't be against Pittsburgh. How many times have we lost to Pitt since 99? Whats another loss? Use it as a learning opportunity, and also use it to give him confidence. We have two other guys who have played in the NFL, and I (Hue) am choosing you (Kizer)! Let's do some damage and turn some heads!

Let's go!! #dawgpound

I just saw this:

We scored 30 points through 2 preseason games, and 24 were with Kizer in the game. We gained 512 total yards in the 1st 2 games, and about half were with Kizer in the game.

He has produced.

Also, he faced some 1st string defense players in the Giants game. Teams mix and match so much that it's hard to say any guy player against the "1st string" opposition.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...28-50f4e338255a

In two preseason games, Kizer, a second-round pick out of Notre Dame, has completed 19-of-31 passes for 258 yards and a touchdown. He's also rushed for 47 yards and a touchdown. During his time on the field, Cleveland's offense has scored 24 points.

No sense wasting time in starting the climb.

https://twitter.com/MaryKayCabot/status/900378756388466689


https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/900366961636409345

Very curious....

Hopefully they're working on dealing him to another team.

Winston, Prescott etc. etc.

I didn't think he would be wheeled out this quickly but, at some point we have to know what we have as 2018 draft is huge and stacked with a solid QB class. We either need to get a QB or we don't. If we have no clue how Kizer is, the fact we have acquired 5 picks in the first two rounds will be useless.

Cody was given a chance. Afraid to throw it.

Brock given a Chance, over threw it.

Kizer given a chance?

He isnt ready to face pitt today. You have a couple weeks now to focus on getting him ready. He gets all the reps from here on. He gets 3 quarters in week 3. Hell I might give him the entire game. I want him absorbing everything.

j/c:

Hue sure doesn't lack for confidence in himself.

I think this is a risky move. Kizer is inexperienced in calling plays, dealing w/snap counts, playing under center, etc. There is a lot more to playing the position than just throwing the ball.

He is going to have to learn all of those things on the fly while also working on improving the flaws in his mechanics. It's pretty common to resort to past poor mechanics when under fire.

Additionally, he is playing w/a group of guys on offense that are not that talented and/or experienced.

I worry that Kizer's situation could mirror that of Blake Bortles, who had a similar skill set and also wasn't ready to deal w/the complexities of the position. Jax threw him out there early and he has actually regressed.

Furthermore, I think once you name that rookie qb the starter, than you have to give him more rope. It's not like starting a guy like Brock and then replacing him w/a young rookie during the season.

One last thing......a poster mentioned Hue "losing the team" if he put Brock out there instead of Kizer. I don't think that at all and that most vets [see Joe Thomas' comments] would prefer a vet over a rookie who will struggle just to call plays in the huddle.

I think this is a very risky move, but I will support Hue's choice and wish him, Kize, and the team luck.

I don't think there was ever a real competition going on. They only ever gave kessler lip service to start and brock was never meant to start.

That being said none of these QBs have played very well. IF the competition was real, which I doubt, Brock and Kessler did nothing to inspire giving them the nod. They problem is that Kizer is holding the ball WAY too long because he isn't able to break down information quickly enough yet.

Still if the veteran QBs are not showing anything special to help you win games then I guess you can just do the follow the losing tradition of rushing out the unready rookie and baptise him in fire. I hope that Kizer survives the first 5 games against elite defenses that physically punish QBs who hold the ball too long.

This is what Osweiler said. Not Hue.

Correct.

I'd be shocked if we weren't talking about a trade. No way do we pay BO 16 million unless he's the starter...which doesn't seem to be the case at this moment.

The above comment by Osweiler is weird and probably ill-timed. If he thinks the general manager made the decision, that is fine. Don't say it to the press, that will will hurt his chances at playing (it certainly can't help). Osweiler has been called a bad teammate in the past, if he kept this comment to himself and dealt with it internally it would help his reputation.

Osweiler has a tendency to say weird things that do not help his cause. This is one of those things.

j/c:

Somewhere, Peter King is holding back a smirk.

Hardest thing for some people is to take a critical look at themselves.

The decision really doesn't matter. Since Hue likes to treat his QBs like RBs Kizer won't make it out of the 1st 2 games.

I like Hue the HC. I despise Hue the OC.

Well, here we go! Hopefully Kizer can work through his issues, stay healthy, and show something. I'm hopeful, but we're the Browns... so here is what I don't want to happen.

1. He plays just well enough to leave some hope he can become the guy, then gets hurts and we don't see him again until next year.

2. We throw him out there and make him toss the ball every down, and he gets confused and flustered (we ruin him).

I doubt there will be a trade. Everyone knows we go through about 5-6 QB's a year.

There's a good chance either or both of those scenario's will happen. We are still THE BROWNS until proven otherwise.

It's usually in November/December when the Browns are usually, at least on their 3rd starting QB

I know you guys are mostly joking (even though the joke hits very close to home).

If you are on your third QB, you are probably bad. If you are bad, you probably shouldn't be worrying about your third QB because QBs one and two were also probably bad.

It feels different this year. Hue's second year and this rookie is looking good. He seems to be able to escape the big hits.

The key to a great season is a quick start and we have the entire AFCN in the first 5 games I believe. Can't be waiting until a bye or week 5 to get it started this year. We have to come out of the gate early.

That doesn't sound like Peter King.

Somewhere, Peter King is smirking. There, fixed it for you.

I must admit I'm both exited and nervous.
This much I can say, Kizer has passed the eye test. I thought Hue would hold him out for all the reason discussed on the board ( very valid may I add)
This is a big risk. However, if this kid shows poise like he has ( the game in not too big for him) we may finally have someone to grow with.
Just imagine the possibilities next draft if we are not in the market for a quarterback.
I can see a trade down already playing out.

But let's not get ahead of ourselves. Lets see how game 3 plays out against a pretty good Tampa team. ( playoff aspirations)
If if passes the eye test again, why not. Plenty of other quarterbacks have taken game one and proven success.

Unfortunately no one stepped up to take the job and the rookie won it by default. Ironically, Kessler had the best game against the Giants, throwing seven for seven. He STB when he blew the handoff. Brock did nothing except get picked, and Kizer was lucky to score on a short field, after having his INT called back. QB play is poor at best. I hope Kizer learns quickly and he needs to get a lot more accurate damn fast.

Or it could mean Hue sees "IT" in Kizer. Frankly, I can understand it. He's the only QB that put points on the board.

Taking a step back and trying to look at this from a different angle, I think we can try to glean a couple pieces of information.

1. I believe that this shows that Hue subscribes to the "the best person for the job, gets the job" line of thinking. It's a simple, no nonsense approach, which I like. I'm not knowledgeable enough to say whether or not it's an effective approach for QBs.

2. My main worry is that we haven't seen Kizer too much against 1's, and it's only been preseason so far. He won't get the "full NFL experience" until regular season. I have no doubt that Hue has at least thought about this already, but still... it's worrisome for me.

3. He must really not like Brock. Building on that, it could be as simple as something like, "Brock is so bad, we're going to see Kizer pretty soon anyway".

::shrugs::

Brock is just so bad and Cody never progressed and has zero talent. Let's just hope this doesn't ruin Kizer

I'm thinking you are right about Os,, But really, Cody is decent,, just not a guy you are going to go all in with.

I think Os will be cut or traded in the next few weeks and the result will be, Kizer then Kessler then Hogan or perhaps someone they pick up off another team

I don't see Os staying.

No reason to cut him. His contract is guaranteed. Someone loses a starter they could be calling.

whether Kizer succeeds for me boils down to two things, Hue's gameplan, and Kizer's ability to execute the game plan, the physical tools are there, now you have to trust Hue is going to develop a gameplan that allows Kizer to slowly come along as he needs and builds confidence as we go along.

I think Kizer starting early in the year is better than him being forced in with injury. At least this way he will have healthy Oline and "playmakers" instead of nov/dec when we are down to our PS squad guards and backs

Desperate to keep his coaching job...

Good luck Mr K. I hope we see plenty of Crow, Dayes and play action. I think our defense can keep things close if the offense can maintain some parity in time of possession. We need to beat Pittsburgh. That happens and it can snowball positively. Can't wait for the season.

+1

So this means Mary Kay was right all along, huh?

I doubt he'd in any danger at this point.