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So, you'd have rather kept the bust and not gotten the 5th for him?

A mistake was made drafting Cam, no doubt. But, prior to that draft, wasn't he considered a fairly decent lineman?

Age and contract status factor in heavily for trade value. Just comparing how good a player is (or was) is too simplistic. That said, I am surprised the Browns got a 5th round pick for Erving.

I'm surprised we got anything for him.

No arch. That is NOT what I am saying.

I'm saying that it's disappointing that yet another one of our first round draft picks has busted. There are so many that we actually are "thrilled" when we get a low round draft pick [who probably won't make the team] for one of the them.

Have a nice evening.

I think everyone is in agreement here. I know I am.



Perhaps you are confusing "thrilled" No one is happy Cam didn't pan out. People are happy that at least he's gone AND we got something for him. A 5th is probably higher than most expected.

The alternative was/is we just cut him and get nothing. That's all. Don't get worked up.

If we get a decent ST player with that 5th round pick he will be more productive than Cam was

another first rounder bites the dust.

man oh man.

He loved the brown pants. They covers the grass stains on his butt.

i still can't believe how bad erving was

Yet, almost no one agreed w/me when we were discussing him around this time last year. In fact, I was getting drilled for saying he wasn't good. Didn't see you back me up.

Then, during the season.........I kept reading how he was improving and playing well at center. I disagreed. Once again, I don't remember you guys backing me up on that one.

This crap goes on over and over and over and over....

https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.ph...lay#Post1037393

You realize that we discussed him on numerous threads. Heck, I got suspended on one of them. LOL

I'm just pointing out that you were not the only one who thought Erving was bad. (I know this because I hated the pick as soon as we made it and then Erving was bad afterwards.)



You can probably say this about most threads.

Good job getting him off the team with a draft pick. A 5th isn't a great pick, but all considered, a steal in my book. We alreay lost the 1st rounder 4-5 drafts ago. Can't go back to that.

It's like investing.....at some point you have to consider it money lost and seek the best way to recoup what you can.


In business, there are going to be losses. At some point you can't keep following the rainbow.


As I have said many times on this board for a long time... since Timid was QB....the only thing worse than a bad pick it to keep sticking with a bad pick.

We are already improved by being rid of this guy. Slap the scouts? A fifth is what we needed for him, just not sure why he lasted this long IMO. Last season had some real highlight footage of him being owned.

Skunk cost?

Show he somthing realted to the agreemewnt with the NFLPA.

FWIW I was there with you on Cam.

Okay, that was funny.

I am not sure what you are asking. I am agreeing with you.

yeah how much oF his salary due we have to pay

You never heard me say that. I hated that pick the minute they turned it in. He had bust written all over him his first training camp. The guy sucked from day one and I never saw any indication he was improving. We have sucked at drafting since the return. I am HOPING the new guys will have better results but that is still to be proven. Farmer sucked, Banner/Lombardi sucked. Holmgren and company sucked. Mangini was horrific. Savage was really bad. Etc. etc. I just hope the new guys draft well. I don't expect great just decent will do for now. Hit on the high picks. We shall see....

Important thing is, he's no longer a brown.

I hated the pick when tit was made as well. It seems to me that Vers hated it as well.

There were a lot of posters, as I recall, who said that it was a genius pick .... because he could play any position. Turns out that Erving wasn't just a master of none, he was horrible at all.

This FO got a GREAT DEAL for him ... nothing short of a miracle to get anything for him ... a 5th round pick is outstanding for him ...

Great job FO ...

how much are we on the hook for Erving financially?

I get wanting utility out of a player that can play many positions like along a line. Our DC demands that. Should never be a reason for drafting someone on its own.

With Erving, he can play multiple positions (you would have a heated argument about that claim), but finish it; add 'badly' to it. Hats off to the FO for this one; this experiment is over.
Some folks in Berea are way more curious than me, willing to wait and "see what we have" in some crappy draft picks. How much bad do you need to see in a player, and how often ("read repeatedly") does this have to happen and be prolonged before fixing.

Watching him get run over, under, and around as we cashed out QB after QB was putrid to watch. I am glad he is outta here. Other folks probably have strong feelings . . . .

Nothing other than whatever the prorated postion of his signing bonus gets moved up to this year, but that is accounting stuff. The actual money was paid out when he signed.

great thanks

There comes a point where you lose patience with "potential" and "high draft status" ...

J/C
Ok the purge of Farmers horrendous drafting should be complete.
The remaining picks of Bitonio, Kirksey, Shelton,Orchard, Duke J. Cooper
should have a real shot at earning their keep on this team.

I was really rooting for Erving this year hoping he would break out,
but it was going to be a long shot.
Thank goodness we got something for the former 1st rounder.

This, sadly enough, is the truth.

Do I like when we flip a 1st rounder for a 5th, 6th (Gilber) or nothing (JFF) a couple of years later? Of course not. [censored] poor return on a valuable commodity (the pick, not who we took with it).

Right now, Erving is what he is. And what he is not is a something with a 1st round pick value. Where he was picked is now irrelevant. Much like Tom Brady. He is what he is, and that is not connected to him being a 6th round pick. After a while in the league, a guy's ability is what defines his worth, not draft position.

So, getting a 5th round pick for this turd was better than I thought we could do. We got something for Erving.

I did LOL at a comment earlier about maybe he will be a fit for ZBS. How many excuses does this guy get?

Drafted him to replace Mack at C because he was a great center at FSU. But let's play him guard for a year, that will be an easy transition for someone with his skills.

Oh, he sucked at guard? Well, center is his true position. He will be fine next year. That's where he played his last year of college. It's his natural spot.

Oh, he sucked at center? Of course he did, he's a tackle. That's where he first played in college. That's his natural position. There will be a big improvement in year 3.

Oh, he sucked at tackle? Maybe we should not have moved him around so much. Messed him up.

Maybe he was moved around because we were trying to find a position where he did not suck. Where maybe he won't get a teammate killed. If he was able to play a position we would have left them there.

So I sit back and wonder how in the world we got a fifth for this dude?

It's not the level of Justin Gilbert style shocking, but up there. Sashi has a voodoo doll and DePosta has some black magic... or something.

I don't think it is all that shocking.

He was a former first round pick who started 16 games last year. He has played guard, center, and tackle in the NFL. He has good size and quickness.

Finding a versatile back-up for a 5th round choice is actually a good deal. Most 5th round picks are not even likely to make the team.

I never liked Cam, but I question the intelligence of this move. R. Johnson has looked worse than Cam in camp. Bitonio gets hurt every year. Our center has an extensive injury history. Our RT is unproven and also has a history of injuries and health concerns. Cam could have provided depth at both guard spots, center, and most importantly, RT.

He's played guard, center and tackle - and has failed at all of them. I just am unable to tie the logic here, I figured we'd need to cut him instead of getting anything whatsoever for him.

JMO

I'm pretty sure that if he'd have shown any ability at any of the positions we tried him at, he's still be here.

Getting a 5th round pick was a good deal.... Actually, getting a 5th of Bourbon would have been a good deal LOL

... and beyond acceptable hahaha.