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I meant he knows the whole playbook. Whether can execute or not is a different story.

Kessler has always worked hard and supported his teammates. There have been many comments about this since his time with the Browns.

I wonder how much the OL loves Kessler, considering he held the ball longer than any other qb minus one last year and how much his receivers love him when he can't get the ball to them downfield?

No idea. There were. obviously, conflicting reports.

In the end, it doesn't really matter.

LOL...it kinda does matter. Because someone is lying. Either the earlier reporters or the latter reporter. I'd like to know who so I can read them w/a more skeptical eye in the future.

What if 3 other starting qb's get injured in the next 3 weeks?

Again, I'm not talking about today

Brock Osweiler released by Cleveland Browns | cleveland.com
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/09/brock_osweiler_released_by_cle.html

CLEVELAND, Ohio - The Browns cut their $16 million quarterback in Brock Osweiler on Friday, a source told cleveland.com.

Now, they no longer have the highest-paid player on the team, but they still have his hefty guaranteed salary. The only break they'll get on that is if someone picks him up and pays him the veteran minimum for a sixth-year player of $775,000.

It also means the Browns will likely keep Cody Kessler and Kevin Hogan behind DeShone Kizer, who will start the opener Sept. 10 against the Steelers.

Hue Jackson said Friday he prefers to keep three quarterbacks on the roster, and the Browns would surely lose Hogan if they put him back on the practice squad. They'll also continue to look at available veterans.

"We're going to have a starter and we're going to have a backup,'' said Jackson. "After that, however this unfolds is how it's going to unfold."

The Browns also cut defensive lineman Xavier Cooper, guard John Greco, and kicker Cody Parkey, meaning 7th-round pick Zane Gonzalez has won the kicking job, sources told cleveland.com.

Related: Osweiler 'disappointed' he lost starting job; might welcome trade or release

After Thursday's 25-0 victory over the Bears, Osweiler was asked how he felt about his chances of sticking around through the roster moves from 90 to 53, which are due Saturday at 4 p.m. After an early afternoon round of 18 moves and now these four, the Browns have eight more by tomorrow.

"I'm just super-excited about this great preseason,'' Osweiler told cleveland.com. "We're 4-0, and I'm going to worry about the things I can control. Have a great weekend.''

Jackson hinted during a Friday conference call that Osweiler could be on his way out.

"Experience is important, but talent level and where we are and what we're trying to accomplish is important, too,'' he said.

Osweiler's release comes after he sat out the final two preseason games. It also comes after a week in which he seemed somewhat aloof to those around him, according to sources.

Perhaps he knew he was on his way out, or wanted to be. In his last lengthy podium interview, he stressed that he wanted to play this season and that he was disappointed to lose the starting job to Kizer.

"I want to prove that I'm a better player than I showed at times last year," said Osweiler, who clashed with Texans coach Bill O'Brien and was benched late last season. "I want to show that I'm an improved player. I'm still a very young, young quarterback in this league. I'm 26 years old and I still have a lot to bring to the table and I'm very eager to show people that.''

Does that sound a player ready to willingly impart all of his wisdom on the rookie phenom? It's not that Osweiler wasn't a help to Kizer. He was. It's just that he wanted to play, and he was no Josh McCown when it came to accepting the mentor role.

"I have no regrets on anything," Osweiler said. "I'm very proud of what I was able to show my teammates and the coaching staff throughout OTAs going back to day one when we were just given the playbook and how I mastered that. I don't think there's anything else I need to do. They know the quarterback and the teammate that I am."

The Browns acquired Osweiler in a trade with the Texans in March in what amounted to a salary dump for the Texans and a chance for the Browns to land a 2018 second-round pick -- for what has turned out to be the full $16 million.

The Browns tried to turn around and trade Osweiler, but had no takers because of the high pricetag, not even when the Browns were willing to eat $10 million of it. The Browns were also looking for a third-round pick in return.

Instead, they let Osweiler walk and will likely go with a young quarterback room. Not one of the current three quarterbacks have won a football game as a starter in the NFL. Kessler, last year's third-round pick out of USC, played well at times last year under trying circumstances, but went 0-8.

Hogan, a fifth-round pick of the Chiefs last year out of Stanford, was originally signed to the Browns practice squad when the Chiefs waived him, but was promoted to the active roster. A dual-threat QB, he replaced Kessler in Cincinnati and rushed for 104 yards. But he's never started a game.

Hogan helped make Osweiler expendable with stellar performances in the final two preseason games, which he put three touchdowns and two field goal on the board in limited action.

"He's played good,'' Jackson said after the game. "Kevin is on our team for a reason. He's just gotten better. These guys when they get their opportunity you've got to nail it, and we've all seen in the last two weeks he's done some really good things.''

Before the Bears game, Browns head of football operations Sashi Brown acknowledged that he may have spoken too soon recently when saying "I'd be surprised if Osweiler wasn't on the roster at the start of the season'' on the team's in-house radio show.

"I probably shouldn't have said that the first time,'' Brown said Thursday night, another tipoff that Osweiler was likely gone. "But Brock has been a good professional, and he's been a good presence in that room, which is very young.''

The Browns have some justification for ushering Osweiler out the door with a suitcase full of millions. For starters, they always viewed his salary more as the cost of the second-round pick than his actual value.

What's more, they've lopped megamillions off the books to help offset the $16 million by cutting Robert Griffin III and Joe Haden, and by trading Demario Davis to the Jets. Griffin was due to make about $7 million, Haden $11.1 million and Davis $3.7 million.

From a bookkeeping standpoint, they're ahead of the game, even though it's still a tough pillow to swallow at first glance.

Now, the Browns must decide if they're comfortable with three young QBs on the roster, or if they'll add someone who's actually won a game. But if they do, you can bet he won't make $16 million.

After looking into it a little just now it seems like there was some communication between the Dolphins and the Browns about Osweiler (them calling us or us calling them). It never went anywhere for whatever reason. One of the reasons given was that we didn't want to trade Osweiler (which looks weird in hindsight). Another was that Osweiler was down the list of the Dolphins preferred QBs. After their first choice (Cutler) said yes, there was no reason to pursue Osweiler.

My guess is that a team, probably us, floated Osweiler's name hoping to drum up some interest. It didn't work, so we had to pull back and say we wanted to keep him (this all happened just before Osweiler started the second preseason game).

It seems like all the reports are based off of an Adam Schefter interview on the Dan Patrick Show:



And a MKC Tweet (which has been deleted):



Where's my Pulitzer?

What are the chances of that actually happening? And then, on top of three starting QBs getting injured, those teams have to want Brock Osweiler.

Thank you. I appreciate it.

I just want people to think about something for a moment. We paid 16 mil for a second round draft pick. At that price, you could only afford to have 11 players on your roster under the salary cap.

I'm not enraged, or entirely opposed to the release, I just have 2 questions.

1 If the browns had to win one game this year, are we saying dk, ck, and kh would give us the better chance to win that game?

2 In the off chance a bunch of qb's went down, (it could realistically happen), would we not then have a tradeable asset?

I think this is a locker room culture move

Crazy right. Second round picks are super duper valuable.

How much is a good player who is drafted in the second round worth? I would guess much more than $16 million.

For example, Michael Thomas of the Saints was drafted in the second round last year. His value as an asset far exceeds $16 million, right?

A second round draft pick, if he's good, is worth a lot. The problem is, we paid 16 million for an unproven second round draft pick. Some would call that buying a pig in a poke.

The reality is we paid 16 mil. to draft a player we hope will be good. And if you look at our second round picks in previous years, that's a pretty big gamble.

So then the more chances we get at drafting in that round, the better the chance we really hit on someone good, right?

I still applaude the BO trade, we have tons of cap room. $20 mill for a second round draft pick sounds like a lot. But we had to hit the salary floor, and it is an investment in the long term future.

Better than picking up an aging veteran, see Dwayne boe, that gets us nowhere. I just thought BO had some value this year. Cody and Kevin have to be serviceable to make this move make sense right now, imo

It is hard think about this way because we have been so bad at drafting players for so long, but just because we sucked at picking guys in the past, doesn't mean we will continue to suck at picking players. Also, if you are not good at making picks, having more picks seems like a good idea as it increases the chances of actually getting a good player.

This one?

Schefter: Cleveland received trade offer for Brock Osweiler
Cleveland received a trade offer for the veteran quarterback.

According to NFL insider Benjamin Allbright, the Dolphins wanted Cleveland eat more than half of Osweiler's $16 million guaranteed contract this season. In return, the Browns wanted multiple picks, which Miami felt was too high.

http://cle.247sports.com/Bolt/Schefter-Cleveland-received-trade-offer-for-Brock-Osweiler-105865993

I just gotta say that I think this FO gets it. I've never felt this way before. It's different this time. We finally have the right guys in place.

No, that wasn't the one posted on here. At least I don't think so.

But thanks for finding it for me. I appreciate it.

We both understand that purple isn't required here. But a lot of people don't. lol

Between Haden, the 20 million dollar second round draft pick and cutting Grecco, about the time I started really liking these guys, I'm beginning to wonder again.

For every step forward they make, they turn around and make one to two steps backwards.

I did not like most of their early moves. I liked what they did this off-season. I was okay w/the draft. They were trending up. Now, the moves they are making have me questioning what the hell they are doing and I think most of them are coming from Sashi w/maybe some pressure from Jimmy the Crook.

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For you. I don't agree with all the moves, but I at least understand the thinking (besides the Greco move).

I agree with every word you are saying.

Here's what confuses me. From what Hue said, he wanted Haden here. From what I heard from Williams, he didn't want him here. So who exactly is the HC and which one does the FO actually listen to? From what Hue said, it sounded like he wanted BO here to.

I hope we don't have yet another situation where the FO and the HC are struggling against each other.

man

Does this mean that you think you understand why they're doing the wrong thing?

It means I may not agree with a move, but I at least think understand the process behind the move.

(Not Greco. I don't understand that one.)

That sounds like exactly what I said to me.

I understand their process. Whether I agree or not is a different question entirely.

For me, I understand why they want to do the things they're doing. But I don't agree with many of them.

With Joe, he's an aging CB, diminishing skills, that's expensive and no longer going to be your starter (allegedly). He probably can't play in the slot (assuming), so you free up the spot for a young'in. For me, I think having Joe in the locker room and as the most reliable backup you could possible get is worth more than the couple bucks they ended up saving.

With Brock, he's probably never going to be THE GUY. Bringing him in here was a FO move, not a Hue move. Hue (I'm guessing) gave him a quick look and said "I'll pass". Similar to Haden, if you're already on the hook for the $$$ why not keep him as a reliable (as you're going to get) backup!? His attributes match up with Kizer better than the other QBs, and he has experience as a starter... making him a good backup. Money is irrelevant because you're paying one way or another.

With Greco... he's going to sit on the bench even though he's good and we paid him handsomely (I'm not sure where he is now in his contract, though). They probably wanted to dump him to make room for younger guys to see what's there. BUT, you have your left guard and all your centers with injury concerns. Why would you cut your most reliable backup!?

All of these moves have one big issue in common. They'll be totally fine if this guy or that guy pans out. Don't even let me get started on how I feel about that. I get the feeling that many of these decisions are being made while crossing all their fingers and toes... which REALLY pisses me off. Where in our recent history have young guys panned out?

dammit, now I'm all mad...

I think hue was putting on a brave face, I didn't get a feel of in house disemnation. I hope that's not the case. I think everyone is on board

j/c:

Here is the elephant in the room.

After Brock was demoted, he said something about "go ask the GM" when asked why he lost his starting job.

A poster or three used that quote to paint Brock as a trouble maker and posted other articles that would support that notion.

I was left wondering...........what if what he said was true? What if Sashi was behind the decision? What then?

A lawyer is making roster decisions for our team? A lawyer who works for an owner who has an itchy trigger finger. A lawyer who might want his draft picks to produce so he can look good in the eyes of his impatient owner?

It would not be the first time that a GM has been guilty of that crime and it won't be the last. In fact, it is a common practice.

The question is.......is Sashi Brown, the attorney, the right man to be making roster decisions?

A first grader could have cut Brock and it would have been the right move...

No, but Sashi Brown, the executive vice president of the Cleveland Browns, might be.

It's not like he's making decisions in a vacuum. He's taking input from "football people." I think the whole organization is trying to be more cagey with the information they release.

Do I see everything he's done as great moves? No, but I can see some method to what others are considering madness.

If that is what happened, then Sashi needs to be junk-punched by every man on the roster, and anyone that has paid for a ticket.

If Coach isn't choosing his starters, why the heck is he even here? May as well just have Sashi coach.

I don't know if I am right, Purp. Just connecting dots. I have read GM's posts for years and I firmly believe he has connections. At one time, I did too.......and I could tell he wasn't making things up. I finally figured out what his connection was, but I won't tell...LOL

I also have been reading Hue's comments, Haden's comments, etc.

My instincts are telling me something is fishy, just like they did w/Farmer and The Big Show.

Maybe Brock should head down to Houston and do something good with his hands and volunteer with the relief efforts instead of overthrowing WRs.

I think of this movie with the response you just had...

Billy Beane: Art, you got a minute?
Art Howe: Yeah. Take a seat.
Billy Beane: You can't start Peña at first tonight. You'll have to start Hatteberg.
Art Howe: Yeah, I don't want to go fifteen rounds, Billy. The lineup card is mine, and that's all.
Billy Beane: That lineup card is definitely yours. I'm just saying you can't start Peña at first.
Art Howe: Well, I am starting him at first.
Billy Beane: I don't think so. He plays for Detroit now.

I love moneyball

I think of this movie with the response you just had...

Billy Beane: Art, you got a minute?
Art Howe: Yeah. Take a seat.
Billy Beane: You can't start Peña at first tonight. You'll have to start Hatteberg.
Art Howe: Yeah, I don't want to go fifteen rounds, Billy. The lineup card is mine, and that's all.
Billy Beane: That lineup card is definitely yours. I'm just saying you can't start Peña at first.
Art Howe: Well, I am starting him at first.
Billy Beane: I don't think so. He plays for Detroit now.

I love moneyball smile

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Are we talking about Greg Williams the DC? or is there another Williams in the FO that I am unaware of?

If it is Greg Williams the DC, then would it not be the HC vs DC?

Not the FO vs HC. I don't know kinda confusing to me...just curious.

I could see if the Brock release was a sashi decision. It was sashi that brought him here for a pick.