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And YOUR opinion about that is where? Oh yeah...your opinion about that is that a lawyer is making football decisions. Got it.

Maybe people want to let the dust settle before getting all fired up about the still-evolving roster and OL. I see virtually no one who is happy about Greco being cut...with several trying to see the other side and with an open mind.

I didn't watch the Chicago game.

I always thought Drango was a guard, but he did play tackle in college.

Do we have anyone else at tackle?

Do you really believe we are better by losing Erving and Greco and getting a 5th round pick in return?

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Cam sucked as a back up ... he stunk at multiple positions ... being bad at every position isn't exactly my definition of depth ... *L* ...



Coleman is an unknown ... so far it hasn't been good ...

Greco is baffling ... very baffling ... its STUPID ,,,

No clue who our back up tackles are .... I'm THRILED Cam isn't one of them ...

I argued w/guys for the past few years about Cam. I never liked him, even when guys like Memphis were talking about how good he was playing last year. So, it's not like I am a big fan of his.

My thinking is more along the lines of what you said about Haden in your reply to Swish. I don't see the value of getting rid of players when you don't have someone better on the roster to replace them.

Our depth on the OL has taken a serious hit in the past few days. Heck, we don't even know if Coleman is any good or not.

Oh, and thanks to you and Grimm for actually talking about the topic.

Agreed. Its much better than the "lawyer" agenda going on for the past 18 hours because someone is butt-hurt about player cuts.

...for those keeping score at home?

What are your thoughts on the OL, jfan?

And...as predicted again.

I'm pizzed off that Greco was let go, we could plug him in anywhere along the oline, even center, and get decent play. It didn't appear that his foot was bothering him, so I think letting him go was a big mistake. I don't think Bitonio can stay healthy. We're an injury or 2 away from having a sub mediocre line.

I agree our OL has taken a hit in the last few days ...

IMO Cam has nothing to do with it ... and just to be clear .. u never argued with me about Cam .. I've never liked him ... i couldn't believe how bad he was last year ... it may have been the single most inept week in and week out performance I've ever seen ... he literally looked like a fish out of water ...

I know how bad our cb's are behind Joe .. i don't know how bad our back up tackles are ... if Cam's better than them ... may god help us ... *L* ..

Cam can be replaced by any number of guys being cut around the league. Greco is harder to replace but I don't feel it's impossible. He was the 65th pick in the draft, and after just three short years was traded to us for a conditional seventh round pick. If a player like him can be found in 2012, a younger version can likely be found in 2017. I'll hold my judgment until the final 53 man roster has been announced and maybe even played a few games together.

So, I'm watching the condensed version of the game again on Gamepass with an eye on Greco. He does look good as far as being in the right spot, but he doesn't seem to have much power. On one particular run, he's pulling and gets blown up by a LB. (~9:32 1st qtr) I really didn't see him get any movement at the point of attack the entire 1st half (there was some of him getting moved.) I know we have a pretty high tech weight room and track a lot of what goes on, I wonder if his numbers are down there and that factored in?

#Browns OL Rod Johnson has a sprained MCL and meniscus injury that's expected to land him on IR, source said. Loss of depth up front.

https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/904035316625006593

I wounder if we will keep him on the 53, so to get him on the short term IR.

There is no more "designated to return IR". There is only IR, and a team can return up to 2 players after they spend 8 weeks on IR.

Correct. And:



https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/904000564115243008

Yes, is that not what I stated?

Yes. Just clarifying.

Gotcha

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Still amazed that we got anyone to give us ANYTHING, much less a 5th!!, for Erving!

#magicians

I hope Coleman stays healthy. Greco shocked me; I would have kept him for sure. Puzzling move. Very glad the CE is gone. Going to him as a backup is just crushing. No matter where you play him, QB's get pounded. So we still need some OL and a RT IMO.

Hoping something good lands this weekend.

Not all "hard decisions" we keep mentioning are right or good, and to make ones that are both must be rare. Will this knitting fall apart? Wait and see.

I think it was a bad move.

Who is backup tackle? Has Coleman proved he can play? Has he had a history of injuries?

I don't place a great deal of importance on 5th round picks. Cam sucked as a starter.......but then again, people on this board were talking about well he was playing last year.

I am beginning to think that Sashi is making a bunch of dumb ass moves and he has set this team back w/his post-draft moves.

Instead of posting on a fan board how about sending them your resume as you seem to believe you know more than they do?

I gave my opinion. It was a football post. I did not insult you. I did not insult anyone.

Thanks for replying in the same manner.

Actually, I wasn't insulting you. I was being semi-serious as you seem to believe you have answers.

You were, however, insulting Sashi. So you did insult somebody.

Have a nice evening, PDX.

You as well.

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The hypocrisy is hilarious. Now its a bad thing Erving is gone?

I think I already explained why it was a bad thing. Will you please stop w/the perpetual insults and just voice your opinions on the topic at hand?

Thank you, Memphis.

Excuse me, but I did voice my opinion. Your posts are filled with hypocrisy, it's hard to keep up.

I see no downside in shipping Erving out.

He has been awful at every position he has been tried at. He really showed no upside. He didn't improve at all this off-season. From what I have heard him say, he seemed to think he was doing pretty well.

If trading Cam Erving for a 5th round pick is the biggest "mistake" we make, I think we'll be in pretty good shape. JMHO, of course.

I honestly don't care who the backup T is whether it's Sterup or Drango they can't play any worse than Cam has shown over 3 seasons.

Cam at G was just a horrible thing to watch he played with horrible balance and either lacked the vision to rotate or simply had no understanding of what he was seeing or doing and thus created a lack of pass protection and a subpar run block.

Cam at center looked a heck of a lot like him playing guard, hell a guy (Reiter) off the practice squad of another team came in and in 3 qtrs showed exactly what a center should play like. I can not believe that is even up for debate.

Cam at tackle? Let us relive that preseason game shall we? He gets schooled twice and then had a couple mental mistakes aswell. I will say that he settled down as time went on but that start alone put the writing on the wall for him and rightfully so.

I think Cam is a good person and a good teammate but there is clearly something not clicking in his game and while it would be nice to see him excel it will not be for this team. I have no issues with that because the only thing he ever showed on a consistent basis was his flaws and not that spark of "hey I am getting it".

As always just my 2 bits

Thanks for at least trying to talk football, YTown. Unlike the previous two posters who clutter the board w/their BS insults.

I did not say it was their biggest mistake, but I think that the guy could play multiple positions. Heck, last year Memphis was talking about how good the guy was playing at center. As were others, such as tab. And he calls me a hypocrite.

I always thought he wasn't very good. As a starter. But, as a backup who could provide depth at tackle, guard, and center.........not so bad.

Is that disappointing for a first round draft choice? No doubt about it. On the other hand, is our team better by trading him. I don't think so.

Now, I am not asking for anyone to agree me, but I really wish other board members would police posters such as Memphis and get them to keep the conversations on track instead of turning each and every one of these conversations into a personal attack.

Cameron Erving is terrible as an offensive lineman in the national football league . We are better without Cameron Erving on the Browns.

That's fine. I have no problem w/opposing opinions.

I'm just sick of the constant personal attacks from posters like Memphis.

Okay lamp, so why was he listed ahead of some of the guys we kept on the depth chart? Why did he start ahead of them?

Pardon me for thinking people should be accountable for what's said about a player only to change their view because they have an agenda.

I assume they were giving him one last chance to show he's worthy. But he didn't because he kept getting owned, pancaked. He never showed up, and now he's in kc.

Uhmmmm.......you said Cam was playing very good last year. Are you going to deny that?