DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Hue Says We Are Focused on Winning NOW

I'm not calling for either to be fired either.

But mark it down......there will be those who will call for Hue to be fired when the team doesn't live up to their expectations.

Pointing out bad calls in response to a question as to why a guy would gets fired is an example of that. A better one is saying he should be fired if we are 2 and 5 at the bye.

This team is inexperienced. It has huge holes in some important spots:

QB
WR
CB
S

They lost their depth on the OL.

People are trotting out we are going to win 6, 7, 8, 9 games. Meanwhile, most people who analyze these things for a living, have the Browns ranked 30th out of 32 teams.

So, what happens when the team lives up to expectations of those w/an objective opinion and fail to live up to the expectations of those w/a subjective opinion?

I am all for keeping Hue.

I am all for keeping Sashi.

I want continuity.

I have pretty good instincts and they tell me that Hue will be the fall guy rather than Sashi. I said something very similar last year when I said Horton would be the guy who got the blame and would be the first one fired.

I never said that. You need to consider that there have been multiple great coordinators to get head coaching jobs to not do well in that position.

I have already said that Hue isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

I don't think we just win 1-2 games this year. I don't see any reason why we should be 2-5 heading in to next years bye week...adjust the record depending on when we actually get the bye.

I know you don't like to see coaches fired. Nor do I. I just understand that almost always, the coach goes before the GM. I am not going to debate the merits of that because there is no point in doing so. It is what it is.

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When people stop paying GOOD money for POOR products then and only then a business will do better, so until then all that counts is the bottom line.

Nope. The bottom line in the NFL is so high it's ridiculous to even fathom and has little to do with success of a team on the field. True fans stick it out thru thick and thin and only winning makes the their teams better. It might be just a business to the owners but it's all about loyalty with fans. True fans will always pay good money to see their teams play win or lose. All the other fans are just living in fantasy league land and only truly care about their fantasy league stats.

Hue should be about winning. He feels really good about his defense that was intimidating this preseason and gave up a single td in 4 games.

Hue has a QB with a cannon arm, tremendous size combined with intelligence and he can also run the football. He has 3 good running backs. He has on paper atleast what should be a top 10 offensive line. He has 3 pretty good tightends and a 1st round receiver that's building a relationship with his stud QB.

This team was very competitive last year with horrible QB play. Horrible OL play. Mass confusion on defense. If we are as competitive as we were last year, we will win 5 or 6 games just based on a much easier schedule.

I like this team and the team speed. I didn't like the speed at receiver, we trade for Coates. We also got Kasen Williams who is a perfect fit for Kizer.

Speed wins and this is a fast back 7. This is a long lanky disruptive front 7. I disagree with quiet a few things this front office has done but I see them attempting to correct mistakes they made from a year ago.

I know I will get laughed at but I see a 7 plus win team based on a very very weak schedule and the improvements we have made especially at DC.

While what you say is true, the fans really have no say in the hirings and firings of our FO and coaching staffs. The NFL is nothing more than a multi billion dollar corporation. As such, accountability is expected at all levels. And usually, if things aren't going well, people get fired. Usually in an attempt to find a fall guy for those in positions of higher power.

IMO that's why Peens comment about HC's being fired before GM's usually holds true. There have been exceptions with some very good HC's but that's most often not the case.

And while I agree we are loyal fans, can you think of another example where that applies? Other than sports, would you continue to endorse and purchase a product that continued to fail you? A product that didn't work? A brand that performed much more poorly than many other brands you could purchase at an equal price? Some people just get fed up with a poor product. We here on this board seem like a gluten for punishment, but not everyone will share our view.

I don't believe they should even evaluate Hue until after year three and even then they should consider the talent level early in his tenure. But I think we should all remember, fans don't get a vote in this and corporations are result orientated.

For the Browns to win 7 games or more Kizer would have to play at a high level with his TD to int ratio 2 to 1.
The defense would have to be a rock wall in the red zone
And overall the team would have very little margin of error in every game excluding the Jets or Colts

For the Browns to win 7 games or more Kizer would have to play at a high level with his TD to int ratio 2 to 1.
The defense would have to be a rock wall in the red zone
And overall the team would have very little margin of error in every game excluding the Jets or Colts

Look pal if you want to keep paying for one of the most horribly run sports team you can.
Then you accuse me of being disloyal and a fantasy F.B. player\fan wow what an imagination .
Actually the BROWNS are the disloyal culprits by using the fan loyalty by throwing last years season and probably this one also so if you want to be loyal to this sham be my guest.

p.s. Im threw with this convo.

We are going undefeated:

https://twitter.com/PatChiesa/status/905489293539504128

Seriously though, it means nothing, but how many head coaches in the league do that? Fun.

I bet Jim Harbaugh did.

Anyone who uses the phrase "toe-tapper" to describe a song is excluded from this discussion.

Towards the end of the video you can see our O-line coach saying to himself...."Um,..... WTF?"

LOL.........that was funny and cool.

I believe that it's important to remember that in only one pre season game did our starters play one half of football. They also played against vanilla O's. Is our D improved? Yes, I believe that it is.

But let's not get ahead of ourselves. They won't play game day O's until the season begins. And if Kizer and our running game can't mount sustained drives, our D could be pretty winded by the fourth quarter.

One thing I've learned over the decades. Being in the middle of a situation makes it much harder to be objective. Most objectivity comes from the outside looking in.

quote above:



Said hiring was a mistake.

I put Jackson's over/under at 4.5 wins.

5-11, he may be gone.

4-12, he's gone.

"Staying the course." was NFL owner jibber jabber.

Uhmmmm............I never said that.

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I think this is an example of how delusional we are as Browns fans.

Not just 'oholic but all of us.

We're just beat.

Obviously if the Browns were to go 0-16 this year, Hue Jackson would be deemed by anyone an incompetent NFL coach.

Personally I think he's already proved it.

I will gladly eat my words - with sugar on top - if I'm wrong.

I hope Hue keeps the game plan simple on offense.

Judging from last year I don't think he will. He's going to put Kiser in a bunch of second and third and longs because he's going to call long balls all day on 1st and 10. The Browns will stand no chance in those circumstances.

The biggest thing I would like to see in this game is a patient game plan on O. I would like to see Hue demonstrate some patience.

rookie on one side, new hire Haden on the other, I would still come out pounding and then taking my shots deep but I think Hue may come out spread wide and attacking this secondary. Test his big money OL out against this group.

Isn't Artie Burns the starter opposite of Joe?

...and run the clock. Limit the number of Steeler possessions.

There is one problem with that though...record.

We are 2-3 injuries away(well two now that Garret is hurt) from maybe not winning a game this year...i said there is no way we go 0-16 if we are healthy...we already lost possibly our best player before the season.

If Sashi Brown, Hue and Compnay don't win atleast 5-6 games this year...there is no way they are safe...can'
t be.

If we go 2-14 this year that means we are 3-29 over two seasons...NO REGIME in the NFL survives that kinda record over two seasons.Its not going to happen...

I really want to say we do well this year, my heart definitely wants that, but my head tells me we will be lucky to win 2-3 games and thats counting on no more major injuries.

Its clear to me Sashi doesn't know what he is doing, and both Sashi and Depodesta need to be sacked and removed from Berea.

I keep Jackson I think he is a good coach, but he needs more input into player personnel decisions, and he needs to paired with an experienced football executive that will get him players that fit his system.

Trubisky was the PERFECT QB for Hue's System...Hue will never say this openly, but thats who he wanted instead of Garret...all the rumors coming out of berea of them split between Garret and Trubisky....Hue def wanted Trubs...I could see the disappointment on his face on draft day a few minutes after Garret was picked, could tell he was dissapointed, but he held it together. Jackson will never say he didn't want Garret, he can't say that...atleast not until he is no longer the Browns coach.

This Front Office has really screwed the pooch. I would have canned Sashi and Depodesta after last year and kept Hue and asked him who he wanted as a GM and then went from there.

Look at Cincy, Marvin Lewis has BIG time input on who they draft...Jackson needs the same level of input here...I don't trust Business lawyer, and Mr. Baseball to get things right. I trust Hue Jackson far more then these clowns we have in the front office.

I believe he is. gonna test the rook for sure. I liked Burns but he gets as grabby as Buster was in his first 2 years.

You got it backwards. The FO wanted Trubisky. Hue wanted Garrett.

Link? That applies to both you and KoB.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/brown...with-no-1-pick/

To try and draw a definitive conclusion regarding Hue Jackson or anyone from that article is baseless conjecture AT BEST.

Regardless of who wanted who.

Lets hope we can atleast win 5-6 games this year. Because if we can't...there is a good chance Haslam hits the reset button.

like a 2-14 season...that would mean Hue, and Sashi are 3-29 over two years...thats beyond miserable...no one survives that kinda record over two years in the NFL

Winning 5-6 games shows Haslam that the system can work, it actually gives him a reason to continue on the course...but another 1-2 win season...i don't think he can swallow that.

Honestly. im tired of starting over, but you also have to pull the plug when you know something isn't working and 3-29 or 4-28 over two years is NOT working obviously...You will drive your paying fans away sticking with something like that.

So this is the year hue and Sashi have to show Haslam a little bit of progress, not asking to win the division, not even asking for a winning record, just show us you can win 5-6 games..thats it...if Mangini, Crennell, even Pat Shurmur can win 5 games, then these guys can, and if they can't, then they don't belong in the NFL in the first place.

they have tore down most of the roster, these are their guys...its time now to show that the "plan" is going in some positive direction.

http://www.espn.com/blog/buffalo-bills/p...ns-the-youngest

The average age of our starting lineup is 24.4.

agreed

Right now We are shaking the tree to see who can hang and who is gonna face plant but this team fights. they fought hard every game last year. We probably outplayed pittsburg. Doesn't mean we will win a single game this year however.

The potential is there to be fighting for a playoff spot come December. the schedule is the easiest we have had in the last decade. The reality is however, we don't knowhow to win in games when we out play the opponent on both sides of the ball. Just as likely to be 1-15 again as we are to be 15-1.

We beat the Ravens this week and its a signature win. We beat the Ravens this week and it could be the start of a 6 game Win streak. That confidence would propel this young team. Just like a loss could send us down that road to what everyone thinks we will be.

I think regardless of record, these guys will get a full 5 years. They tore it down to the studs, I think we have it going in the right direction, we have a ton of assets and cap. I think they get a full 5 years to build it. There might be tweaks to the staff, like an O coordinator for instance. But I think they will be intact for the duration.

I think they will get five years if steady improvement is shown. I do not however feel that a billion dollar plus corporation will sit still for stagnation or regression at any point.

As fans we all build a sense of loyalty to coaches and players. We understand that stability is needed to build a winning team. However, business is business and with Haslam, if we look at his business model, Pilot Flying J, much of what he's done in his career has been marketing with a steady diet of turnover.

There will be expectations, and being stagnant or regressing at any point isn't going to be one of them.

https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2017/10/19...es-front-office

Click the link. The whole interview is depressing. Matt Miller is pretty well connected.

I've hung in there through a lot of things with this team. But if Haslam proves to me that he lacks any patience with letting any FO and coaching staff panning out together, I just don't know.