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j/c Report: Hue Jackson 'irate' after Joe Haden release The release of veteran cornerback Joe Haden was curious to many, including head coach Hue Jackson apparently. CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora explained that Jackson was 'irate' when the team made the decision to release Haden and he was unaware that the veteran was on the trade block. The move 'was met by near unanimous disapproval in the locker room and with the football staff.' Cleveland reportedly offered the cornerback a pay cut in order to stay - the same figure that he received with the Pittsburgh Steelers - but he declined. Haden, and linebacker Demario Davis, who was traded to the New York Jets, were viewed as 'vital cogs' in the Browns defense this season. The divide between the front office and Jackson has 'intensified' with recent moves according to the report. "The constant struggle between coaching and the front office has taken a toll on Jackson, following a one-win season, and recent events have intensified the rifts, with the coach's hands tied in personnel matters." From an asset perspective, the trade for quarterback Brock Osweiler made sense. However, he was 'a cancer' in the locker room and did nothing 'to endear himself to teammates and brought little to the quarterback room where the Browns are trying to develop three young passers, including rookie starter DeShone Kizer.' It's interesting that Haden and Davis were viewed as important to Gregg Williams' defense considering neither graded well last season. The Browns open the season Sunday against the Steelers and Haden. http://cle.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Hue-Jackson-irate-after-Joe-Haden-release-107224178
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The FO needs to learn that not everything is about numbers.
While analytics is a great tool, it doesn't take into account one of, if not the most important aspects of football: team chemistry and trust amongst teammates.
So **IF* the reports are true, I think it's disappointing that the FO didn't even let Hue know about their plans, nevermind consulting with him with regards to releasing or keeping players like Davis and Haden.
I know that at the end of the day, it's on Hue to get these guys ready on Sunday, but I mean damn; if the FO keeps getting rid of veteran players for young inexperienced guys, then what can we really expect from this team on sundays?
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I just find this story hard to believe based on the fact that when this front office and Hue were put together it was stated that everyone would have their input, Sashi would just have final say. You can't tell me that with as much as Sashi and Hue speak to each other that Haden and his possible trade our release wasn't discussed, and as for Davis, I commented in another thread that he didn't fit the type of LB that DC Gregg Williams uses.
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I just find this story hard to believe based on the fact that when this front office and Hue were put together it was stated that everyone would have their input, Sashi would just have final say. You can't tell me that with as much as Sashi and Hue speak to each other that Haden and his possible trade our release wasn't discussed, and as for Davis, I commented in another thread that he didn't fit the type of LB that DC Gregg Williams uses. It's some unknown writer quoting La Cornholio
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"I trust (Executive Vice President) Sashi (Brown) and his group to make the right decisions that I think is best for our football team," Jackson said before Haden was released. "Do I want Joe Haden on our football team? Yes, but whatever our organization thinks is best for our football team, that's what we'll do.'' That quote right there tells me Hue knew what was happening.
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j/c Report: Hue Jackson 'irate' after Joe Haden release The release of veteran cornerback Joe Haden was curious to many, including head coach Hue Jackson apparently. CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora explained that Jackson was 'irate' when the team made the decision to release Haden and he was unaware that the veteran was on the trade block. The move 'was met by near unanimous disapproval in the locker room and with the football staff.' Cleveland reportedly offered the cornerback a pay cut in order to stay - the same figure that he received with the Pittsburgh Steelers - but he declined. Haden, and linebacker Demario Davis, who was traded to the New York Jets, were viewed as 'vital cogs' in the Browns defense this season. The divide between the front office and Jackson has 'intensified' with recent moves according to the report. "The constant struggle between coaching and the front office has taken a toll on Jackson, following a one-win season, and recent events have intensified the rifts, with the coach's hands tied in personnel matters." From an asset perspective, the trade for quarterback Brock Osweiler made sense. However, he was 'a cancer' in the locker room and did nothing 'to endear himself to teammates and brought little to the quarterback room where the Browns are trying to develop three young passers, including rookie starter DeShone Kizer.' It's interesting that Haden and Davis were viewed as important to Gregg Williams' defense considering neither graded well last season. The Browns open the season Sunday against the Steelers and Haden. http://cle.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Hue-Jackson-irate-after-Joe-Haden-release-107224178 Yup, it was obvious Hue was pissed about it, and it seems even Greg Williams had big plans for Haden as part of his D. Furthermore, Jackson doesn't even know that the FO is shopping him for a trade? Another rift in the FO in the making. hopefully Haslam is smart enough to side with Jackson(who is the right coach for us) and fire Sashi and Depodesta out of the Front Office, and hire a personnel guy with experience that will work "with" Hue not against him. Hue should also have significant input into player personnel decisions. Whats going on now is a joke. Sashi and Depodesta need to go sooner rather then later, and Hue needs to stay with an extension and get us a viable NFL talent elevator in the to be our GM.
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j/c Report: Hue Jackson 'irate' after Joe Haden release The release of veteran cornerback Joe Haden was curious to many, including head coach Hue Jackson apparently. CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora explained that Jackson was 'irate' when the team made the decision to release Haden and he was unaware that the veteran was on the trade block. The move 'was met by near unanimous disapproval in the locker room and with the football staff.' Cleveland reportedly offered the cornerback a pay cut in order to stay - the same figure that he received with the Pittsburgh Steelers - but he declined. Haden, and linebacker Demario Davis, who was traded to the New York Jets, were viewed as 'vital cogs' in the Browns defense this season. The divide between the front office and Jackson has 'intensified' with recent moves according to the report. "The constant struggle between coaching and the front office has taken a toll on Jackson, following a one-win season, and recent events have intensified the rifts, with the coach's hands tied in personnel matters." From an asset perspective, the trade for quarterback Brock Osweiler made sense. However, he was 'a cancer' in the locker room and did nothing 'to endear himself to teammates and brought little to the quarterback room where the Browns are trying to develop three young passers, including rookie starter DeShone Kizer.' It's interesting that Haden and Davis were viewed as important to Gregg Williams' defense considering neither graded well last season. The Browns open the season Sunday against the Steelers and Haden. http://cle.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Hue-Jackson-irate-after-Joe-Haden-release-107224178 Yup, it was obvious Hue was pissed about it, and it seems even Greg Williams had big plans for Haden as part of his D. Furthermore, Jackson doesn't even know that the FO is shopping him for a trade? Another rift in the FO in the making. hopefully Haslam is smart enough to side with Jackson(who is the right coach for us) and fire Sashi and Depodesta out of the Front Office, and hire a personnel guy with experience that will work "with" Hue not against him. Hue should also have significant input into player personnel decisions. Whats going on now is a joke. Sashi and Depodesta need to go sooner rather then later, and Hue needs to stay with an extension and get us a viable NFL talent elevator in the to be our GM. This post is ridiculous
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j/c Report: Hue Jackson 'irate' after Joe Haden release The release of veteran cornerback Joe Haden was curious to many, including head coach Hue Jackson apparently. CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora explained that Jackson was 'irate' when the team made the decision to release Haden and he was unaware that the veteran was on the trade block. The move 'was met by near unanimous disapproval in the locker room and with the football staff.' Cleveland reportedly offered the cornerback a pay cut in order to stay - the same figure that he received with the Pittsburgh Steelers - but he declined. Haden, and linebacker Demario Davis, who was traded to the New York Jets, were viewed as 'vital cogs' in the Browns defense this season. The divide between the front office and Jackson has 'intensified' with recent moves according to the report. "The constant struggle between coaching and the front office has taken a toll on Jackson, following a one-win season, and recent events have intensified the rifts, with the coach's hands tied in personnel matters." From an asset perspective, the trade for quarterback Brock Osweiler made sense. However, he was 'a cancer' in the locker room and did nothing 'to endear himself to teammates and brought little to the quarterback room where the Browns are trying to develop three young passers, including rookie starter DeShone Kizer.' It's interesting that Haden and Davis were viewed as important to Gregg Williams' defense considering neither graded well last season. The Browns open the season Sunday against the Steelers and Haden. http://cle.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Hue-Jackson-irate-after-Joe-Haden-release-107224178 Yup, it was obvious Hue was pissed about it, and it seems even Greg Williams had big plans for Haden as part of his D. Furthermore, Jackson doesn't even know that the FO is shopping him for a trade? Another rift in the FO in the making. hopefully Haslam is smart enough to side with Jackson(who is the right coach for us) and fire Sashi and Depodesta out of the Front Office, and hire a personnel guy with experience that will work "with" Hue not against him. Hue should also have significant input into player personnel decisions. Whats going on now is a joke. Sashi and Depodesta need to go sooner rather then later, and Hue needs to stay with an extension and get us a viable NFL talent elevator in the to be our GM. This post is ridiculous Sorry, I don't like mr "Business Lawyer" and "Mr Moneyball baseball guy" I think they are both twits and hurting Jackson's chances. Its pretty obvious Jackson and Williams wanted to keep Haden because he was the best corner on the roster, but that 11 million was just so important to a team 60 million+ under the cap...
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And you know what? Minus a blocked punt (Mr. Business Lawyer and Mr. Moneyball baseball guy didn't have a damn thing to do with it), the Browns would've won. Right?
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Didn't the team looked improved today?
I thought you posted that in the game day chat and post game threads.
The Lawyer and Mr. Moneyball are partly responsible for that.
Are you arguing the Browns would be even more improved if they had others in charge?
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Didn't the team looked improved today?
I thought you posted that in the game day chat and post game threads.
The Lawyer and Mr. Moneyball are partly responsible for that.
Are you arguing the Browns would be even more improved if they had others in charge? In some ways, yes Sure they were improved today,but I question some of their moves..like not tagging Pryor, letting Schwartz leave in FA, cutting Joe Haden....those are some big mistakes and they have set us back quite a bit. im just not sold on the Harvard boys yet, but im def on board with Jackson and Williams.
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Yes they were mistakes imo as well. But they also drafted Garrett, Peppers, Kizer, Coleman., revamped the OL and D......lot of good to go with the bad.
Way too early to tell one way or another, but I’ve seen nothing that deserves the hate these guys get by some people (or the love by others).
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Haden is a Steeler nough said!!!
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"Haden had six tackles, one of the Steelers’ seven sacks — his first since 2011 — and a pass breakup on tight end Seth DeValve. The Browns tested their former teammate. DeShone Kizer completed passes of 19 and 13 yards against Haden, with another of 29 yards in front of Haden in zone coverage. Two other attempts were incomplete."
One mans garbage is another mans treasure.... Over here I read he didn't look good...meanwhile the Steelers thought he did great after only being with them a week, and gave Haden the game ball
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That's because people get a kick out of trashing Haden on this board.
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Didn't the team looked improved today?
I thought you posted that in the game day chat and post game threads.
The Lawyer and Mr. Moneyball are partly responsible for that.
Are you arguing the Browns would be even more improved if they had others in charge? Hmmmm........I thought we lost? Are the Lawyer and Mr. Moneyball not responsible for that? Good God, some of you are beyond ridiculous. On both sides. Have a good night, y'all.
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Didn't the team looked improved today?
I thought you posted that in the game day chat and post game threads.
The Lawyer and Mr. Moneyball are partly responsible for that.
Are you arguing the Browns would be even more improved if they had others in charge? Hmmmm........I thought we lost? Are the Lawyer and Mr. Moneyball not responsible for that? Good God, some of you are beyond ridiculous. On both sides. Have a good night, y'all. They lost due to a special teams blunder, not the lawyer or moneyball
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Joe had a couple of bad plays but overall didn't look horrible.
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Joe had a couple of bad plays but overall didn't look horrible. Hold up there Dep we have to ask Rish he has that there wider screen hell man he can see folks fishing by the lake with that wider screen... Well Rish did Joe play bad today?
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Joe had a couple of bad plays but overall didn't look horrible. Hold up there Dep we have to ask Rish he has that there wider screen hell man he can see folks fishing by the lake with that wider screen... Well Rish did Joe play bad today? Don't blame him. You blocked his screen with that giant TANK.
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I think Deputy was spot on.
I think an experienced QB would have burned Joe a couple of times for big plays. He could have easily been a low point for the Steelers. Not sure about the whole game ball thing, but hey that's their decision.
I don't believe not having Joe made the difference between a win and a loss for the Browns. Brown had a big day, but he's had big days with Joe guarding him as well. Brown made some difficult catches.
I'll tell you this though. My TV did pick up Joe leaving the stadium in his Ferrari. That thing is pretty sweet.
What do you think? Do you think with Joe the Browns win?
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My favorite quotes of the JLC article. near unanimous disapproval The divide between the front office and Jackson Nothing is ever as sensational as these quotes indicate. I know this article makes a lot of people happy, but damn, if any of this is true, that's the absolute worst thing that can happen to this team. I don't think anyone should be wishing for this to happen. For what it's worth, Jackson refuted this after the game. There's probably some good soldier going on there, but I would bet anything whatever disagreement that existed was nowhere near as sensational as JLC wants everyone to believe. Half the time he's trolling this fan base.
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Didn't the team looked improved today?
I thought you posted that in the game day chat and post game threads.
The Lawyer and Mr. Moneyball are partly responsible for that.
Are you arguing the Browns would be even more improved if they had others in charge? Hmmmm........I thought we lost? Are the Lawyer and Mr. Moneyball not responsible for that? Good God, some of you are beyond ridiculous. On both sides. Have a good night, y'all. What time did you start drinking today? Btw, I agree with you. The FO and the coaching staff are responsible for the product on the field. I think they are both responsible for the loss and also for the improvement between last year and this year.
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For what it's worth, Jackson refuted this after the game. There's probably some good soldier going on there, but I would bet anything whatever disagreement that existed was nowhere near as sensational as JLC wants everyone to believe. Half the time he's trolling this fan base.
Some might still believe that Hue preferred Kessler over Dak Prescott...based on Hue stepping up taking responsibility for the pick. Kessler is a member of the Browns based on "analytics".
Hue prefers QBs who are big, mobile and a strong arm with the ability to throw deep....is Kessler that type of QB?
Jackson is doing allot to make the front office look good,
playing his part, providing cover for the MONEYBALLERS.
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For what it's worth, Jackson refuted this after the game. There's probably some good soldier going on there, but I would bet anything whatever disagreement that existed was nowhere near as sensational as JLC wants everyone to believe. Half the time he's trolling this fan base.
Some might still believe that Hue preferred Kessler over Dak Prescott...based on Hue stepping up taking responsibility for the pick. Kessler is a member of the Browns based on "analytics".
Hue prefers QBs who are big, mobile and a strong arm with the ability to throw deep....is Kessler that type of QB?
Jackson is doing allot to make the front office look good,
playing his part, providing cover for the MONEYBALLERS.
Could be, but that is a part of his job. What kind of coach would he be if he told everyone otherwise?
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I think what La Canfora is probably true, but could also be written about many other teams during the cutdown period.
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For what it's worth, Jackson refuted this after the game. There's probably some good soldier going on there, but I would bet anything whatever disagreement that existed was nowhere near as sensational as JLC wants everyone to believe. Half the time he's trolling this fan base.
Some might still believe that Hue preferred Kessler over Dak Prescott...based on Hue stepping up taking responsibility for the pick. Kessler is a member of the Browns based on "analytics".
Hue prefers QBs who are big, mobile and a strong arm with the ability to throw deep....is Kessler that type of QB?
Jackson is doing allot to make the front office look good,
playing his part, providing cover for the MONEYBALLERS.
Could be, but that is a part of his job. What kind of coach would he be if he told everyone otherwise? Please don't quote Mac. Especially when he strays out of his thread. I have him blocked and it doesn't work if everyone quotes him. Just let him continue to muck-rake and ignore him. Eventually he'll go away. I hope.
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mac was here long before you and will be around for a long time. You may not like that, but it's true. Not everybody is going to follow your instructions. The only board police we have here are the refs.
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Notice I used the word please.
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Don't get me wrong, mac annoys me with his witch hunt sometimes as well. He makes some good points at times but it's hard to hear them with all the other static.
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Joe Haden proved yesterday that he would be our 4th CB..#4 CBs don't make 11 million a year.
We should have thrown at him twice as much as we did.
Game ball? That's just Tomlin being a jerk. Haden never led us to victory on an opening day and he didn't do so yesterday either.
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