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It's not that CHS can't see it,
It's that CHS just can't see it!

Are you a master troll like that Dilbert guy? Or does reality just not work with you? Are you aware that video is edited audio wise? You can literally hear the beeps. So no wonder you can't hear it. But do you really not see the dude fire, realize no bullet was in the chamber and then [censored] his gun again and fire? Do you not see that? The dude has been caught and he turns out to be an Imperial Wizard or w/e DnD name they give themselves.

Are you a master troll like that Dilbert guy? Or does reality just not work with you? Are you aware that video is edited audio wise? You can literally hear the beeps. So no wonder you can't hear it. But do you really not see the dude fire, realize no bullet was in the chamber and then [censored] his gun again and fire? Do you not see that? The dude has been caught and he turns out to be an Imperial Wizard or w/e DnD name they give themselves.

Another question, because this is the first I've heard of him being an "Imperial Wizard" (or DnD, whatever that means.)

Does that change the what happened, or the legal status? I mean, here's a guy shooting a flamethrower at somebody. Why won't you condemn the person who initiated the violence?

Since he is a Wizard that means the Wiccans must have been there too!

Another question, because this is the first I've heard of him being an "Imperial Wizard" (or DnD, whatever that means.)

Does that change the what happened, or the legal status? I mean, here's a guy shooting a flamethrower at somebody. Why won't you condemn the person who initiated the violence?

Perfect has set me straight on the number of murders committed by the KKK in the last 50 years and indeed there have been a few. I regret the error.

This is also the first I've heard about the shooter in this instance being in the KKK. As I've repeatedly said, I do not like or condone what the KKK does. It's just not my thing and hopefully you will forgive my lack of knowledge on the details as it's a group that I do not follow. I follow them so closely that I did not even know they were active until earlier this year. If you make more thinly veiled accusations that I'm some supporter then what you're really saying is that I'm a liar.

I'm not framing this as anything and most especially not as an 'alt-right' narrative because I do not even read any alt-right websites! At most I've dabbled here and there just to get an idea of what they stand for but even that has been a while and my opinions on this event were largely just from surfing YouTube and social media and trying to piece together what happened. I have zero faith in mainstream media to report on these things fairly. Actually that's not quite accurate-- I have less than zero faith in mainstream media to report on these things fairly.

About the actual event, what you described is quite a bit different than your initial explanation of what happened: "as well as the KKK Imperial Wizard who was charged with attempted murder after shooting his gun at a black guy". It seems like there's quite a bit more to it, no? Why did the guy assault a group with an aerosol spray can and a lighter? It seems like he is trying to cause blistering injuries to other people.

I don't follow the KKK either. I do know they exist however. I also know that they are not a 1st amendment advocacy group, no matter what the ALCU says

j/c

To think that a woman was killed and many injured by an alt right protestor running over them with a car and people seem so outraged by the other side.

#bodycountsmatter

A lot of people are tired of the alt-left. Their behavior has led many to defend the rights of groups whose messages they don't even believe in. An interesting dilemma to be sure.

Nobody is forcing anyone to defend hate groups, or any other group. And frankly that's a horrifying reflection of character.

Now that the House has cleared the Senate measure, it will land on Trump's desk to sign or veto.

I guess maybe it's needed for me to show you all of the violence and deaths that have occurred by the alt right for you to understand what the body count actually is? So what violence are you outraged by the most? Which is at the top of your priority list? Fighting among both sides of a demonstration or people being plowed over and harmed with a car?

I know you're pointing out the body count from the other side, but how many of those attackers you mentioned belonged to Antifa?

Here ya go if you're interested.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/14/us/charlottesville-nazi-kkk-attacks.html

And let's not forget Dylann Roof.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-dylann-roof-sentencing-20170110-story.html

I don't uphold Antifa but I'm smart enough to know who started this war. And I know how high the body count is on both sides. I think people should keep that in perspective when displaying their outrage.

Was the shooter at the baseball practice ever condemned by anyone here?

Oh, for sure.

Who in his right mind would be in favor of something like that?

Dude was a str8t-up deranged terrorist.

Congress is putting a bipartisan squeeze on President Donald Trump to condemn white supremacists and commit his administration's resources to combating domestic terrorism by neo-Nazis and other racist groups.

That is not what I said.

I said that many have defended the rights of groups whose messages they don't believe in. Words mean things.

You can defend somebody's right to say something while disagreeing-- perhaps vehemently-- with what they say or what they stand for.

Yeah sure. Like everyone defended Kap's right to freedom of speech. Hypocrites.

Wow!

But don't we already have laws against domestic terrorism and not just against racist groups???

Or are they suggesting we pull resources away from fighting domestic terrorism to put it all into only domestic terrorism by racist groups???

Maybe your arguments would carry more water if you didn't instantly play your cards the same on every subject...."bigot" "racist" "Nazi" "white upremacist"

We all know who everyone is. Funny how I'd never insinuate someone like DC, Ballpeen, Arch and many others as being alt-right. However, for the members who read Breitbart on the reg, I can't do that.

Then just how would you describe neo nazis and the KKK? They were the ones with shields, torches and weapons you know...

Do you have politically correct terms you would prefer to be used?

Please re-read the paragraph you quoted, my friend.

This legislation has nothing to do with parsing resources to fight terror of any sort, race-based or otherwise. Those initiatives will most likely continue as they have.

THIS legislation's sole purpose is apparently to force the President of the United States of America to renounce the activities of these groups. Nothing more/nothing less.

Liberals sick of the alt-left are taking 'the red pill'

The mainstream media failed to see the rise of Donald Trump in 2016. Now it’s overlooking another grassroots movement that may soon be of equal significance— the growing number of liberals “taking the red pill.” People of all ages and ethnicities are posting YouTube videos describing “red pill moments”—personal awakenings that have caused them to reject leftist narratives imbibed since childhood from friends, teachers, and the news and entertainment media.

You might say that those who take the red pill have been “triggered.” But instead of seeking out “safe spaces,” they’re doing the opposite, posting monologues throwing off the shackles of political correctness.

Their videos can feature the kind of subversiveness that was once a hallmark of the left—before the movement lost its sense of humor.

Candace Owens, a charismatic young African American, posts commentaries on her YouTube channel whose titles seem expressly designed to make PC heads explode.

A sample: “I Don't Care About Charlottesville, the KKK, or White Supremacy.” The commentary calls out liberal fearmongering over white supremacists. “I mean there are, what, 6,000 Klansmen left in our nation. You want me to actually process that as a legitimate fear every day when I wake up?”

Not insignificantly, her video got nearly 500,000 views and overwhelmingly enthusiastic comments. (“you rock, girl!” “this woman is awesome.”)

A later episode about Black Lives Matter got nearly 700,000 views and had the distinction of being briefly taken down by YouTube. Unapologetic, Owens responded with a follow-up commentary — “What YouTube and Facebook REALLY Think of Black People.”

She declared, “There was only one version of a black person that these platforms are willing to help propel towards fame and notoriety—and that is an angry black victim.” Owens calls her channel “Red Pill Black.” It invites viewers: “Sick of the alt-left. Welcome, I prescribe red pills.”

The term “taking the red pill” derives from the movie "The Matrix," the trippy sci-fi classic. Morpheus, the resistance leader played by Laurence Fishburne offers Neo, the movie’s hero played by Keanu Reeves, a choice: He can take the blue pill and remain in the repressive artificial world known as the Matrix where “you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe.” Or he can take the red pill and tumble down the “rabbit hole” where he will come to realize that everything about his life was a lie.

The left’s intensifying war on free speech has produced a surge of red pill videos. Some take Owens’ in-your-face approach. Others are meandering, hipster confessionals delivered with the wordy earnestness of characters in a Duplass brothers movie.

In his YouTube Channel, Dissent Report, a young, one-time “Bernie Sanders supporting progressive Democrat” admits from behind large sunglasses that he’s made “a pretty hard turn to the right.”

He took the red pill after seeing friends “moving …towards an authoritarian sort of Progressivism.” He explains, “They were just standing up for a divisive brand of politics that would tolerate no dissent whatsoever.”

Not surprisingly, the mainstream media has largely dismissed the red pill phenomenon. Coverage has mainly stressed the connection to men’s rights activists —the Red Pill forum on Reddit and the documentary, “The Red Pill,” are both about men’s rights. This narrow focus, however, misses the larger story.

Those who have been “red pilled” may start out questioning feminism. But that’s often just the beginning.

A red pill blogger who calls himself “Pat Riarchy” (“also known as the patriarchy”) recalls that his journey down the rabbit hole began when a Facebook friend derisively called him a “cis male.” He came to recognize that, “it's been one narrative pretty much.” He concluded, “I have my own objective view…I didn't want a bigger government. I realized I didn't like the universal healthcare plan…I realized I didn't really have an issue with guns.” Several books and discussions later, he emerged as a libertarian.

Red pill bloggers are increasingly characterizing PC culture as a first step on a slippery slope towards authoritarian socialism.

One who articulates this best is Dave Rubin, a married gay man and former left liberal whose show, The Rubin Report, has explored the red pill phenomenon.

In his commentary, “The left is no longer liberal”, he explained his own disillusionment with the “regressive left,” whose “backward ideology” of identity politics “puts the collective ahead of the individual. It loves all of its minority groups to behave as a monolith.

So if you're a true individual—meaning you don't subscribe to the ideas that the groupthink has attributed to you based on those immutable characteristics—you must be cast out.” Rubin calls this mindset “the biggest threat to freedom and Western civilization that exists today.”

One of his recent guests was Cassie Jaye, producer of the The Red Pill” documentary, which chronicled her personal journey away from feminism.

Jaye had intended to make a feminist film about the men’s rights movement. But her perspective began to change upon interviewing activists, who were anything but the angry women-bashers so often portrayed by the mainstream media. Instead they were men—and also women—concerned about issues such as unfair child custody laws, pregnancy fraud, and even domestic violence. It turned out that men are also victims of domestic abuse perpetrated by women with surprising frequency.

Jaye’s film met with immediate resistance from radical feminists, who trolled her online while she was fundraising for the film. Her documentary has been largely ignored by most of the mainstream media. But it has had widespread impact on the Internet.

Laci Green, one of YouTube’s best known personalities whose left-leaning videos about sex and gender have an immense following, posted “Taking The Red Pill?”

Green’s relatively tame confession of discomfort with feminists who shut down opposing views, as well as the revelation that she was dating an anti-SJW YouTuber, enraged her fans. They waged an online campaign against her and reportedly “doxxed” her — published her personal information on the internet.

Many who proclaim themselves “red pilled” express a yearning for traditional values. “Pat Riarchy” wants to see a return to an era where comedians can “attack everyone,” not just Trump. “PC culture is going down,” he says. “A lot of people want this to stop.” Kirsten Lauryn, a 20-something hipster sitting amidst empty church pews, worries that, “A lot of our society has drawn away from religion as an important way of instilling values.” She observes, “The pendulum is swinging back to a more traditional lifestyle. I see this with my generation Generation Z.”

The media has very likely ignored red pilling for the same reason it underestimated support for Donald Trump: An entrenched establishment always resists disrupters, especially those who reject its worldview.

That said, red pill bloggers are not necessarily Trump supporters—in many cases, quite the reverse. What they do share, however, is their questioning of mainstream media tropes.

Not all their videos would pass muster with Reagan conservatives or even libertarians. But, taken together, they give hope to those worried about the future of capitalism and free speech in America.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/09/13/liberals-sick-alt-left-are-taking-red-pill.html

-The Awakening Begins.