DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus Jemele Hill: Trump Is A 'White Supremacist'

Completely agree.

I really don't know for sure if he is or isn't, but Neo Nazis, White Supremacists and the KKK have all remarked to one degree or the other that they finally have "their guy" in the White House.

Couple that with his less than enthusiastic Denounciation of those groups make me wonder. Other things as well but none as damning as those.

I agree with you 100% Vers.

Life is a two way street and those who only want it one way are a part of the problem, not the solution.

How many of those people are there, really? Out of a country of somewhere between 300 million and 320 million, are there 1 million combined nazi's, supremacists, and kkk?


I don't car for, and don't like any of them, but come on.

I could just as easily say "well, when Obama was elected............" blah blah blah.



Had to edit this to make sure everyone knows: Not only do I not "car" for them, I don't care for them either.

Eh, not really

Apply this to Obama and the left. There were many fringe-left wing groups like communists, black power, and black supremacist types who cheered on Obama as well. Does that make Obama a communist, or a black supremacist? I don't think so.

Extremist groups will favor candidates who shift policy and acceptable discussion in a manner that is favorable to them. If you look at politics on an overly simple left-right scale, that means the far left will favor the candidate that is more left (even if he/she is relatively moderate) and the far right will favor the candidate that is more right (again, even if that candidate is relatively moderate.)

Trump was never a white supremacist or anything of the sort. That was always laughable, and anybody who still thinks that either doesn't know what white supremacist means, or they haven't been thinking for themselves.

There was some publicity during the election season that the groups you mentioned did support Trump due some of the rhetoric on the campaign trail, and perhaps that was alarming. I doubt they still support him but somebody else can to do the research on that.

Far less than 1 million

Wiki has the KKK listed at 5,000-8,000 members. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan

I tried Googling around for neo-Nazi numbers but that number is harder to pin down. Others can do the research if they care to.

Wow! When I was a kid they numbered in the millions!
They seem to have a PR problem.

I guess my answer would be that we know how many of them are willing to go on "public record". We don't know how many share their views and sympathize with them. I realize that works in both directions but to try to indicate that only those we know about reflect their actual numbers is rather disingenuous.

I absolutely agree with that. 100%.

Let's say that even 10,000 are "known members" of the kkk, the nazi's, and white supremacists, each. That's 30,000 (although it would be fair to say if someone was a member of 1 group, they may be apt to be a member of another one)

But, let's take that "unknown" number of 30,000 and quintuplet it to include those that don't broadcast it. That would be 150,000.

Then, lets attempt to include the people that may have some feelings leaning that way. Add another million. Even 5 million.

In a country of some 300 million to 320 million?

I get what you're saying. Being a part of those groups carries with it a massive social penalty that surely keeps many people away.

But then again, if somebody never actually meets up with any of these groups, never associates them in any way, never commits any political violence, and says they're not part of these groups..... are they really part of them?

It is dangerous to go out of one's way to try to label people based on a hunch because the result of doing so is to label a great many people as extremists who are not actually extremists. This is how the number of white supremacists and such gets wildly exaggerated.

The flipside can be said as well-- even I will concede that the number of whiny snowflakes on the left is exaggerated as well. The same could probably be said about Antifa sympathizers although we'll see how that plays out (it has only recently entered mainstream conversation.)

Five million? More than enough to swing the presidential election.

It's only been in the news recently because people are trying to compare them to groups that have been killing people based on race for over half of the 20th century. And so far, they've been doing that in the 21st century as well.

While I agree that both sides are bad and I won't uphold either, I do understand that when I put it in perspective, the body count matters.

Not when you consider there are 5 million wackos on the far left who will swing it back.

Hmmm. This election was one by 78,000 voters in three states.

j/c:

The intent of the thread wasn't to address whether or not Trump is a White Supremacist or not or who is voting for whom.

It was supposed to be more about double standards and how we harm ourselves by assigning labels to one another.

First of all, it was a guess.

Secondly, we aren't talking about the election.

Thirdly, wonder how many voted for O because he was black. Half black.


Get a grip dude, it's unbecoming of you, changing topics, ignoring other facts, etc.

[quote=PitDAWG

While I agree that both sides are bad and I won't uphold either, I do understand that when I put it in perspective, the body count matters. [/quote]

Body count matters? Damn right it does, and I get sick and tired of you using that crap ass statement.

German nazi's killed 6 million jews. NOT the so called 8 thousand strong nazi party here in the u.s.

History - learn it.


Body count matters? Try Chicago: http://www.dailyherald.com/news/20170728/chicago-murder-toll-hits-400-for-2017

As of 7-28-2017 400 murdered in Chicago alone. Bet most were black on black, too. Drugs.



But, body count matters, right? Which body counts pit, which ones? Which bodies count in your mind?

The ultimate #BodyCountMatters rebuttal is mass killings under communist regimes (keeping in mind that many of these fringe-left groups are thinly-veiled fronts for communism): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes

It was?

78,000 voters, in 3 states, won the election?

Looks like the electoral college worked. Cause, you know, that's what the system is and all.

So in Chicago, drug dealers and gangs are killing people of their own race and you talk about me changing subjects? lmao

Yes, the election was decided by 78,000 votes in three states. Point being, it wouldn't take that many people of one way of thinking to have decided this past election.

When did I question the electoral college?

You can change the subject if you like Haus. Try adding up the death count of the Nazi's and KKK and compare them to Antifa, you know, that huge thread where people were trying to compare the two?

And tell me the difference in body count. Or, you can ignore it.

No, I'm not changing subjects.

YOU, sir, keep bringing up body counts.

Start counting bodies, or shut it.

YOUR terms - body counts matter - .......yet you ignore the body counts here in the u.s........heck, even just chicago...........and you rail about the germans from how many decades ago?

So, do body counts matter????? Or is it just "the bodies I want to count to make a lame ass point cause the germans killed 6 million and now we have 8,000 nazis in the u.s. that killed a person...........so, the u.s. nazi's are terrible cause they killed a person, but the bodies of the dead in Chicago don't matter cause they're drug dealers and gang members"?


Do body counts matter to you pit?







And how the hell low can you go to just simply dismiss all the dead in chicago because they were drug dealers and or gang members, killed by their own race?

No, I'd say body counts don't matter one iota to you.

Sad. You're two faced.

Yeah, the topic was about hate groups in America killing each other based on race.

arch screams, IT'S THE SAME THING!

lmao

I'm starting to understand how, "I'm in a Good Mood" seems like a special occasion to you and deserving of its own thread on a message board. lol

Jc

I see this is yet another read for low self esteem white people to air out their grievances. Must really suck in life being the majority. I wouldn't know, seeing as I actually live in the world that some of you seem to love causally trashing all the time.

But continue. I smoked a bowl lauhing at the pathetic love fest between two porters in here last night. But to burn another one reading Pit school you guys up and down these threads.

So, body counts matter. Do the math on the hate groups in America killing each other based on race.

Then do the other math.

Get back to me. (of course, all you'll have is nazi germans killed 6 million).

Nah, bud, I'm still in a good mood.

Handing you your ass makes it even better! Thanks!

Pit didn't school anyone. And I don't know what your porters are doing, but if you like it, keep them.

Low self esteem white people? Interesting. Hope the next bowl is as good as the first.

It's not really changing the subject when there's a strong communist following and background in many of these far left, anarchist, black bloc type groups. It's just as relevant as bringing up the atrocities committed by Nazi Germany.

Arguably, neither are particularly relevant to fringe groups in the modern United States (at least in terms of body count) but reasonable minds could differ on that. Use neither or use both. Your call.

As far as Antifa-- you are right that they do not have a body count. Yet. I bet that will change soon enough although I hope a miracle happens and hostilities die down on all sides.

Hey Swish, good to have you back. You seem to be on a roll today and I hope you keep up the quality posting.

You can't school anyone who refuses to listen to common sense.

You wouldn't know how to hand me my ass if your life depended on it.

Using antiquated rhetoric doesn't help you.

Don't you think it's odd that one side insists on attaching their names and beliefs to those who have committed terrible atrocities throughout history? Using the same rhetoric today as in years past?

And unlike you, I'm not trying to make predictions about "what might happen" in the future. I'm speaking of factual data that has happened. It even happened in Charlottesville. One more to add to the list.

Okay, Aside from the silver platter I handed you your ass on, I now take away your atari 400 game system.

Despite what Swish and CHSDawg might imply, I don't agree with or support the groups you are talking about, and what that guy did in Charlottesville was awful. That has no place in political debate, or in our society for that matter. It seems like we are in agreement there.

What I worry will happen is the 'other side' retaliates, then the 'other side', and things escalate far beyond what they have already been (and make no mistake: it was already quite nasty since long before Charlottesville.)

See what you're resorting to? It's pretty funny. You can't even stay on topic. Poor arch.

Once again I'm not a big proponent of predicting the future. I try to deal with the facts at hand.

And I certainly wouldn't accuse you of supporting the other side. We seem to be able to debate topics on a civil level.

But I think trying to project future events holds no place in a fact based debate. It's nothing more than planted in guess work and trying to use projections as a tool to hold up a false equivalency.

<<sigh>>

The same people say the same damn things on almost every freaking thread. You guys aren't even addressing the the topic. It's just your usual monopolistic BS of blaming the other side.