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RE: Migrane

Coach said in his post game that he was aware that Kizer has a history of migraines and that he personally had the medical staff check him based on what he was seeing

Kizer in his presser said it's hereditary and the last time he got one in a game was high school

The kid played like hot garbage - trying to do way too much ..... he wasn't a sissy who asked to get out of the game.


I have hereditary migraines - I get them when I am going too hard and dehydrated (I assume there are other underlying triggers and everyone is different but that's what I can attribute mine too at a high level)

I am not a pro athlete, so I can avoid them for the most part , when I do get one there is a prescribed medicine that relieves them in less than 30 minutes (without medicine it takes as long and can feel like a bad hangover).

---- just sharing because I thought like PEEN at first (I was biting my tongue because my son was watching with me ) but when he came back and I listened to the press conference I had to believe their explanation was probably spot on.

The truth is Keizer needs to manage his health better

(don't forget T Davis HOF RB for Denver's migraine issues)

Fun game to watch - gave me hope for getting lucky and splitting with ravens (all those turnovers and we were still out there balling)

GC. Almost found myself rooting for Baltimore today!

Showed the stadium. Someone said, That stadium sure looks full. Nah, I said, it's just the empty seats are purple.

Consider them. They lucked out. They got a team in 96, has since won, you know, and is perennially near 1st place in the division at the end of Sept. every year! Almost, I mean with 2 or 3 exceptions the last 20 years.

And the Browns! What!! At the end of 2014 I think, I said the Browns had been 4-12.

Guy at work said. " They won 4 !!???" "Who'd they beat!"

4-12, 3-13, 1-15, 0-2? Have they won 8 games? In a, a, a Presidential Term?
I can't bear another 12 loss year.

Win one soon!

I don't usually question playcalling because we don't really know what goes into it, but abandoning the run when Brandon Williams was out seems really weird. Also, the run with Kizer in the redzone was also weird.

Kizer was really, really bad. He missed open guys, made bad decisions, and didn't get rid of the ball quick enough. Rookie growing pains stink,

The receivers did not help Kizer at all. Going into the season we all knew the receiving core was bad. Many of our guys got not separation all day (from what I saw).

The pass defense was lacking. It seemed like whenever the Ravens needed to throw the ball for a certain number of yards, they got whatever they needed. That is frustrating.

The run defense was very good until the Ravens brought in the Alex Collins guy.

I saw Larry Ogunjobi dominate offensive linemen several times. That guy is a load.

I think Jamie Collins is our third best linebacker.

We haven't pressured the QB at all in two games. We desperately need Myles Garrett back and he won't cure everything.

Don't get me wrong. We didn't play well enough to win this game, but this is a team we should have beaten.

Your expectations are out of whack. The Ravens are a veteran team playing at home (where they play much better). We are literally the youngest team in the league and have a rookie QB against a very good defense.

The good news:

We play the Colts, Bengals, and Jets our next three games.

The bad news:

If we don't win two of three.

I'd like to submit this game as Exhibit A as why you sit your rookie QB as long as possible, let him learn the offense, let the game speed slow down for him and let him get familiar with the player around him. All those that wanted to toss Kiser in there to "take his lumps" got their wish.

Why did Hogan look so much better in there? Well, because he actually sat a year and got to do all that stuff I mentioned. He might lack the potential of Kizer, but he's probably got a lot more confidence with the offense he's being asked to play.

To go with that point, our run game has sucked. I don't know if it's blocking, or Crowell's lack of desire, but if you want a rookie QB to actually be successful, you have to get a heck of a lot more yards than *58* out of your running backs. Rookie QBs that actually succeeded out straight out of the gate: Rothlisberger, Flacco, Wilson ... had Bus, Ray Rice and Beat Mode running for them. It's much easier when they can just hand off 2/3rds of the time and not be asked to carry the team with 8 guys dropping back into coverage against them.

Penalties need to stop.

The whole of it, I realistically didn't expect to win this game. We've had a tough draw for the start of the season. The Ravens and Steelers are the class of our division, and we're asking our rookie QB to throw 30+ times to beat them. Our defense has been holding it's own, so I hope they don't get discouraged.

Both ways work. I believe if a guy is going to be good, he's going to be good either way.



Did Hogan look that much better? He was pretty bad too.

I think a lot of the struggles on offense had to do with the Ravens being really, really good on defense + a rookie QB with bad receivers.

The Ravens are going to be in the running with us for a high draft choice.

Maybe, maybe not. You've got to have a guy at the caliber of Peyton Manning for him to really pull through and succeed. If you don't, you're running the risk of him losing his confidence really quickly. Once that's gone, he's toast.




Agree with that ... lack of running games doesn't help too.

"I think Jamie Collins is our third best linebacker."

He was today. There were three running plays where I remember, that he tried to slip inside the OT and loss outside containment, with the results being a long gain by the RB.

I don't agree with that at all.

If he's bad enough that his confidence is gone from playing very poorly, then he probably was not going to succeed anyway.

I haven't read most of this thread, I worked tonight. Obviously, turnovers killed us. They kept threatening to make it close, only to turn the ball over.

I thought Hogan looked good, except for the INT. I would have preferred if Hue had gone back to him when Kizer kept making mistakes.

Higgins showed up, finally. Good thing too, because nobody else besides Coleman has, and it looks like he's hurt, again.

Hogan looked good when compared to Kizer, who was horrible. Both were bad.

I don't agree with that at all, and I think that's a big reason why our QB's constantly suck. If we drafted Tom Brady and plugged him into our system, he probably would of busted. When you change coaches/OCs every year, and give QBs sub-standard O-lines and weapons around him, it's NOT going to work. Doubt is going to creep in at some point, and that quickly turns into lack of confidence.

That's why guys like Jake Delhomme are a pro-bowler one year and look terrible just a few years later. Guys like David Carr get happy feet because they're expecting to get crushed every snap. And guys like Brady Quinn check-down because they can't trust the deep throws anymore.

I think Kizer would be just fine as a QB if we let him just learn the offense and game speed and/or surround him with a solid running-game and playmaking receivers. But we don't want to seem to do either. Instead we seem content to run him out there now, and inevitably we'll call him a bust because he didn't look like Peyton Manning right away.

I think you and I just disagree on something that is not provable. In the end, I think both ways work.

I believe, except in a few cases, if a QB is good, he will end up being good.

hogan looked great for one possession...then reality set in

Putting owr hope in a druggie, who has been suspended 75 times

Do a check list of things a QB should be able to get done.

1- Get the team out of the huddle

2- Read the defense- See 1

3- Get the ball out on time

4- Move IN THE POCKET

5- Use the check down receiver. Kiser is a gun slinger, to much so.

How Hue corrects some of these issue's I have no idea, but these are clearly the issues with Kiser.

Much of Kiser's issues have to do with Kiser, correct one thing at a time, trying to correct every issue with Kiser would IMO be a mistake. One step at a time.

All rookie QB's have issues, Kiser

I think if these issues are correctable Hue can get it done. That said you can't over burden Kiser (make him think to much).

It will get better I do believe.

I think expectation are running way to high. ie Rookie QB's don't do well most of the time. It takes commitment on everyone's part for it to pay off.

2 games in against vet teams who have played together for years puts us at a huge disadvantage, in fact it always has.

My advise relax, give this thing time. Don't over react, like you always do.

We have a great staff of coaches, we have some very young players that all need time to grow into their rolls.

Most of you thought that we would win between 2-6 games and for me I knew we would have some stinkers. Not the least bit surprised by the outcome of the game.

Simply put, will be worse before we get better.

I disagree. He had 3 possessions. His first was a TD drive. He was victimized by poor field position and a drop in his 2nd, and was moving the ball in the 3rd till he threw his 1 bad pass for the INT.

Hogan should be starting...wait?...lol I think I have said that before. he is our best QB at the moment...

Kizer may better down the road. but right Hogan is better

At this point, I agree. Kizer has had a taste of the NFL and had his nose rubbed in his shortcomings. Play Hogan, let Kizer watch and learn, even if only for a few games.

A nights sleep eases things. This is the first I have heard of him having migraines. I thought migraines lasted a good long while? He was back after a couple of scoring drives.

Many thought we could win yesterday. I guess not. Cool, the Ravens are a better team.

We now hit a stretch of 4 games that we should be able to win. This is a critical time for this team

j/c:

Kizer played like hot garbage. So many bad throws...so many times he threw behind a receiver. Nothing stood stood out more to me than throwing behind Higgins in the endzone for the INT. That killed all hope to win right there.

People can get upset that posters are calling out Hue, but it's warranted. 1st and Goal on the four and you call that ridiculous QB run? That was a waste of our time watching that crap. I know Crowell has also played like hot garbage but you gotta give him the ball in those situations- probably twice. You just have to. I think Hue's calls and formations are trying to be to cute and exotic and it's not helping out Kizer. And I don't know if Hue is making these challenge calls on his own or if he's getting help but, jesus, it's embarrassing to see that these challenge calls are absolutely stupid.

Speaking of Crowell...goodness. It's the same old song and dance. I'd like to see more Dayes in the coming weeks and I don't think he got many snaps until late in the game. Kizer is not going to get better with zero running game. I had more confidence with Duke running inbetween the tackles yesterday.

LBs looked like hot garbage. Flacco is known for preferring to throw in the middle of the field than outside and he did that at-will yesterday. Would have like to see more LB presence there.

The players and coaches looked like hot garbage. I didn't expect to win this game but I thought it would be a little more competitive.

Blah. Hot garbage.

I'm disappointed. I'm not sure I expected them to go out and win like champs, but I do expect them to keep games close and squeeze out some wins this year. Kizer looked like a rookie that couldn't see straight today.

So I waited until morning to really think about this.

I will say that any ray of sunshine/glimmer of hope/feelings of encouragement I got from week 1 are now gone. I was hoping to see some improvement on what we did the first game, but that was no the case. We were never in this game.

Hogan was a bright spot there for a bit, nice throws. Up until that pick. That was a God awful throw into triple coverage.

Kizer's first pick was off of the receiver's hands, so not on him. That was catchable. The others? Horrible throws. The strip sack was from a lack of awareness of what was going on around him.

Big step back this week. I guess with such a young team this is inevitable.

I am wondering if this is the best time for the soft spot of our schedule. If later in the year, when these guys may start to gel a bit, we would have a better chance of getting wins. But maybe an opponent or two we can hang with is what we need to get them to gel.

Biggest issue I had with Kizer was he's not learning from his mistakes, and then the other 52 people have to live with it with no say in the matter. It's not fair to either kizer or the rest of the team to march out a guy who is minimum a year or two away from being able to process. OJT is fine if you are blue chip talent, I don't see Kizer as that, i see a guy that with ALOT of polishing can be a average starter maybe a skosh above average.

That being said, Hue is a buffoon, Easily bottom 3 OC in the league right now. I can't believe someone hasn't told him to start dumbing it down and help out his rookie QB, the easiest thing you can do is run the ball, run the ball and let him use PA to make a few plays for confidence. Right now, this running out of the gun is asinine, if he can't play under center, then he's not ready to be out there. If we can't beat Indy next week, and Kizer looks like this week, you have to make a change. Bench him until after the Bye and let him watch from the sidelines and coach him from there.

Our Oline has too much money wrapped up in it not to be able to run better, so I'm not sure if its holes not being there or Crow being Crow. I'm going to pay more attention next week to the Oline to see. The sacks are on kizer, dude holds the ball waaay too long, i don't really expect a line to hold more than 3 seconds

Jc

Why is everyone tripping?

I looked at the prediction thread, and pretty much everyone had us losing a ton of games, and more specifically having us lose these first two games.

Now we lost the first two games, quite possibly the hardest part of the season, and y'all are surprised and upset?

Come on guys. Y'all all knew this was coming.

I knew we'd have a long crawl out of the cellar but this sure gets tiring and I never thought we'd STILL be crawling after 18 years!

Now that the dust has settled, we are 0-2. As Swish pointed out, pretty realistic when all is considered.

Now we hit a stretch of 4-5 games that we can win if we are improved. We can't exit these games with 1 win. We need to win 3. Only 2 wins isn't all that great.

Now we can sit back and find out if this team can play or if they are pretenders.

It has been my belief---and it is still my belief---that this team lacks two things to win many games this year.

1. Experience. We are very young. We do not even have a qb on the roster who has won an NFL game. We have rookies and second year players in key positions.

2. After blowing things up [and almost all of you agreed it was the right thing to do] this team is still lacking talent. When you blow something up, it takes time to rebuild it.

I tried to warn people about getting too excited this off season. Enthusiasm is great. So, is having a positive attitude.

However, stomping your feet and pointing fingers at coaches and/or players when things play out pretty much they way they should is a problem.

Firing Hue would not help this situation. At all!

It is possible to be critical of Hue without wanting him to be fired.

Crappy play calling

Horrible accuracy that went away, and returned, when Hogan came and gone. Kizer is horrible.

The offensive line we're dropping big bucks on cannot produce running lanes.

We always generate so many stupid penalties, I'm just actually getting sick of our Head Coach because of these and how undisciplined we are.

WRs are what we thought... nothing to write home about

Our TEs looked good, Telfar, Devlave and David.

Just a horrible, rookie and raw team again. Nothing new to us and let the losing streak continue for the Browns. We haven't put it together yet and by the looks, have a very long way.

Exactly. I hope we keep Hue for at least 4 years to be honest. I would love to have a team we've built over the course of several years actually KNOW an offense for once, and then see what we've got.

But I'm still going to shake my head and wonder why we're making a rookie QB throw over 30 times a game, and apparently with no delayed check-down option.

Honestly, I don't see a win on our entire schedule...i thought the Jets were the worst team in the NFL, but ya know i was wrong..the Browns are actually worse then the Jets...i'll be surprised if we win any of those games..Brisset quietly had a very good game for the Colts yesterday and they should have won that game.

The Colts get their 1st win agains tus next week...Brisset "right now" is a better Qb then Kizer, and the Colts D will do just enough to stop our anemic Offense.

the only game I see us even having a chance of winning is the Jets game, and thats 50-50...this team is absolutely atrocious...and the injuries are starting to pile up.

0-16 would surprise me one bit, and if it happens Haslam will broom everything and start over, and i won't blame him..winning 1-2 games in 2 years isn't progress...even Rob Chudzinski won 4 games and he still got fired after one year...

My biggest fear with this team how is that Haslam will start swinging the axe prematurely.

Hearing people say that it should be done now or even soon, makes me kind of sick to my stomach.

We were out coached, out played and over-matched physically.

The lack of experience was on display everywhere. Lack of talent reared it's head repeatedly.

The failure to adjust to the naked bootleg for an entire half was ridiculous.

No pressure and Flacco was allowed to run that bootleg at will. I have to ask, what the hell were they looking at?

Kizer looked as bad as he possibly could. That’s not a surprise, it was bound to happen. He looked overwhelmed at times. That’s first time I’ve seen that.

The headache? Stuff happens. Hogan filled in nicely. Coming back that quickly from a “migraine”? Never have seen one go away that fast. I personally think it was a mistake putting Kizer back in, but hey, not my call.

Deep balls are a waste of downs at this point. Slants and crossing routes are our friends. Hue doesn’t like our friends. He needs to set his ego aside and give the QBs a game plan that is easier to execute with higher percentage plays. Especially when the WR corps is hobbling by on a wing and a prayer.

Higgins looked good.

Louis disappointed with his drop.

Njoku had a good catch, then blew one he should’ve had.

I’m not that impressed with our O-line. The looked okay, not great. They either need more time together or they’re extremely over rated. I hope it’s the former.

Who knows what the running game looks like, we us it so infrequently. No rhythm whatsoever.

That goes to the offense as a whole. Stupid penalties. Can’t line up correctly. Overall butt ugly.

Duke is getting hammered.

Ugly, awful game.

Yes, it is. And the vast majority of people on here are doing just that- minus the person that started the FIRE thread.

It's ironic, for someone who doesn't want Hue fired, Vers is one of two posters actually using the term and bringing up the topic regularly. Wonder why?

We always have a check-down. That is typically what Kize has been doing. He looks at his primary guy, then his check-down. He is just very slow in processing things.

I think people are ignoring the points that I am making. I could have sworn I said that the two biggest problems the team is facing is lack of experience and lack of talent.

Ignoring those two huge issues and blaming the play calling is a mistake, in my opinion.


I have also seen this movie many times. It's starts off w/high expectations and praise, then some grumbling, then an outright roar, and concludes w/saying over and over again how terrible a guy was after we fire him.