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Howdy willi and TONY.

Fasten your seatbelts. Keep your arms in the vehicle at all times and exit to the left once the ride has come to a complete stop.

If it was "fairly obvious" to you that he suffered a concussion, wouldn't it have been fairly obvious to the doc's, AND the independent specialists on the field?

I don't think they are telling us everything!

I can guarantee you there are 53 guys and some practice player personal that disagree with you. As well as a lot of others in the league. take a Xanax and calm the heck down.

If you wanna talk about lack of talent....lets
if you wanna talk about lack of player execution...lets

Hue didnt sign the FA, Hue isn't the one who has not addressed the offense to date, Hue is not the one that cut players or let players walk.

You are simply rambling at this point, Tony. We the youngest football team in the league. That's not Hue's doing. We have more rookies and second year guys playing than any other team, that's not Hues doing. You can only coach what you are given. Look at the Defense. We have seemed to really turn it around, by investing in the draft solely on it. We will start investing on the offense this year. You cant fill every hole in two drafts that we had. Sheesh!

You've seen "no one" blame the team for their performance? Wow, you really do have selective reading.

I think it's pretty apparent that both the team and the coaching are getting critiqued. Nothing wrong with that.

They went from being the worst team in the league to 8-8, then they fired Hue and were bottom dwellers again.

My main point was not to argue but to point out that the previous poster had 0 facts with what he was saying.

They may not be. But, if they aren't telling us everything, expect the nfl to get involved real quick and expect to see people lose jobs.

A more than fair question. It should have been but I am willing to bet Kizer lied to them somewhat to make sure he got back out there and didn't lose his job. Also, players can be coached to answer the questions in a certain way too. It's also possible the symptoms got worse AFTER the exam and things had time swell up and hemorrhage more. It's not always so black and white. Still they should have known after the first series he was out there and yanked him again for his own safety.

According to Mayo Clinic the signs of a Concussion:

Signs and symptoms of a concussion may include:

Headache or a feeling of pressure in the head
Temporary loss of consciousness
Confusion or feeling as if in a fog
Amnesia surrounding the traumatic event
Dizziness or "seeing stars"
Ringing in the ears
Nausea
Vomiting
Slurred speech
Delayed response to questions
Appearing dazed
Fatigue

The dude went out for a migraine sign 1, and he obviously was playing a bit dazed. His reaction time was definately delayed too.

Also, Mayo Clinic writes, "You may have some symptoms of concussions immediately. Others may be delayed for hours or days after injury..." I am not a doctor and don't claim to be but to me the signs were pretty obvious by the change in his play. The team certainly should have known better.

I don't think the concussion or migraine has anything to do with Hue's coaching or the subject. JMO. Hue or any other head coach is not a doctor, and if the doctor clears a player to play, and that player is your starting QB, you put him in the game. Any other coach in the NFL would have done the same thing.

Here are the most consistent knocks on Hue:

- he tries to get too cute with his shifts/formations
*anyone think that might be because we have such a lack of talent on the offensive side of the ball he has to try to confuse defenses? Given, it has not worked, and he should rethink this, but just a thought.

- He can manage a clock
*I agree with this, and have stated that he needs to hire an OC to help with this aspect so he can focus more on the overall game.

- Our offense is horrible
*We have spent heavily in the draft with this regime on the def side of the ball. Just this last year, we started on the offense with the line. I believe you will see us invest heavily going forward on the offense. We had a lot of holes to full, and not much time to do it. There is a lack of talent on the field, plain and simple. You cant coach a turd into filet. I don't care who the coach is, we would not be that much better record wise.

Look, I don't want to talk to you. You follow me around and try to start fights. You are now resorting to misquoting me.

I said:



Please stop w/your nonsense.

I thought you had put him on "ignore"?

He doesn't have anyone on ignore. He just publicly says stuff like that thinking people equate it to being actually relevant and that it means something to other posters. It's rather narcissistic, to be honest.

And yes, people are blaming this teams' performance too. Not just Hue. Vers needs to stop trying to turn this into a coach vs FO battle like every other time. That's all and you can see right through it.

well, he has ME on ignore. And that's fine.

I'm not so sure that making it coach vs FO is what he's trying to do. I do however believe that blame is not as simple as one or the other. Does Hue make some mistakes? Sure he does. I won't try to mitigate those either. I do however believe that the plan by the FO is part of what we're seeing. You can't make the decision to re-build a team from the ground up and expect to not see games play out the way we saw this past Sunday.

What I will agree with you about is this thread is not for that discussion. As Vers often points out, it seems he may be deviating from the thread topic. I really don't see an outcry from much of the fan base about Hue. There are a couple of emotional fans who are still licking their wounds from yesterdays loss.

On the flip side, Vers did predict this would happen. I do believe if these losses continue to pile up, you'll see the cries for Hue's head increase.

Let's face it, building up to this game some fans were saying we were a better team than the Ravens, many fans predicting a win. Sometimes our fans set themselves up for their own disappointment.

I hope that was even handed enough to please the masses.

Hiring an OC would change nothing.. Hue will NOT give up his play calling. For those bickering, just accept it.

No offensive playcaller is perfect.. I have friends in NO calling for Sean Payton to be fired.

Execution is everything.

I really dont even think Hue called a bad game. I've seen worse last season.

I had a headache last night. It sucked and I wouldnt want to play a sport with one. Every time you move it hurts worse.

You have to wonder how much the migraine affected DK even before he took himself out. It certainly had to affect him after he came in. The symptoms probably started long before he took himself out even if they weren't that bad. I'm not using it as an excuse but it had to have some effect on his play.

quote above by willi - talking about Oakland:



Why do you suppose Oakland would fire who you believe was a good head coach?

I guess they're not as smart as you.

I think Hue has gotten the short end of the stick when it comes to offensive players on this team. That being said he needs to simplify his offense till he has more homegrown players on offense who have had a few years of being in the basics of it.

ce and prep to start out with a 3 and out. WOW. This was against the Steelers at home!!!!! Am I missing something here? If we don't go 3 and out, we don't get a blocked punt for a TD. Hue didn't have our guys re Wait a minute here. Before the Steelers game you have 4 preseason games to prepare. You play to win the game right? Well our 1st possession was a 3 and out. WTH! You cannot be serious. Last year we had so many 3 and outs it would be embarrassing to let the public know! It is like a turn over but Hue doesn't know this, otherwise he would figure out how to move a ball 10 yards in 3 plays. It's a friggin joke! All that practiady for that at all. Tomlin knew he could do this to a stupid coach. Here the kicker in the a$$. After all the 3 and outs last year and then the 1st series of the season, he does it again against the Ravens. Hue is to blame!!!!! Hue is horrible and trying to learn on the job. Somebody please tell this guy that a 3 and out is like a turn over!!!! Drove me nuts last year. This guy can't win crap. The San Diego game was won by a stupid missed field goal. Don't tell me Hue is not to blame. It is a joke!!!!

3 and outs are a part of the game. Calm down. and enjoy..

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I agree Hue has not coached well so far this year, however, he's been up against 2 strong defenses with rookie (and backup) QBs on our side.

That plus the refs looking to hurt us at every turn and I'd be pretty flustered too.

We need to give him 3 full years to grow into a proper head coach with this newly formed and grown roster.

I will say if he goes less than 8-8 (or 7-9 but with 3 div wins) next year though, then I'd be worried if I were him.

I have not seen one thing to make me believe Hue is a good coach. Not one! We are 0-18 if the San Diego guy makes that field goal last year. A 3 and out to start each game this year tells me this guy has no clue!!! I have seen nothing from this guy, have any of you? What is it?

It would have been nice to keep Chud but he lost those last 10 or 11 games of the season. You just can't do that. Bummer!

A good coach would be able to wins games with this roster. You don't know what you are talking about. Hue can't coach. We started the last 2 games with 3 and outs. What a joke! The Steelers and the Ravens just out coached hue. As simple as that.

We need more threads like this instead of giving Hue a pass all the time!!!!

a 3 AND OUT IS A TURN OVER!!

Classless example of the Browns current culture.

“When you get in the endzone, act like you've been there before.”

-Bear Bryant

Wasn't that his first NFL TD?

So, technically speaking... he hadn't been there before... right?

TDs are rare in Cle. Ok with me if they want to celebrate and keep morale up.

Damn Mac the voice of reason, besides everything else wrong with my health i now have too worry about one of my 2 anuriziums rupturing.

I agree with all of this. Seeing this thread makes this mb look like all the other whiny team boards that I try to avoid.

More insults and BS from you.

Here is a quote from the post I made that you were attacking:



Memphis.............making crap up again!

to get back to the topic at hand.

Hue gets 3 to prove he can make it or not. He has built a solid staff one of the best we have had period. You don't build a team in 1 year from bare bones but we should see competitive and that we are seeing.

Last year we tore it down. Lets give Hue and this FO a chance to build something. We see guys making huge leaps because of this staff. gotta let them sort through the sinkers and the swimmers.

Expecting to win 1 game is overestimating? If 0-16 is all we can realistically look forward to, then we've hit a new low.

tHEY'VE been saying that in Cinci for 15 years. LOL

Hue is not 1/8 the coach that Belichick is. Mediocre at best. Same with Kizer!