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I agree with you that someone who does that, shouldn't. I just don't see that in McCains actions. These healthcare repeal-replace bills have been hastily assembled, not fully understood and scored, and attempted to be pushed through with a simple majority (which will go away soon). People (correctly) fumed when Pelosi said we had to vote for ACA in order to read it. I don't see enough of a difference between that disaster and this one.

Graham-Cassidy would also allow states to get federal waivers for insurers to charge older Americans more so as to lower the cost for younger policyholders. The ACA limits the expense for older policyholders at three times the amount younger ones pay.

According to the AARP analysis, for a 60-year-old earning $25,000 a year, premiums and out-of-pocket costs could increase by as much as $16,174 a year. If that 60-year-old lives in a state that allows insurers to charge older individuals dramatically higher premiums, he or she would face an additional $4,124 increase in premiums.

For example, in Maine, under the ACA, a 60-year-old earning $25,000 a year would pay an average of $1,608 a year in health insurance premiums in 2020. Under Graham-Cassidy, that same 60-year-old could see that premium increase by as much as $10,404. A 60-year-old in Alaska could see his or her premium increase by $26,986 in 2020.

“The Graham-Cassidy bill is a last-ditch effort to ram a bad bill, developed behind closed doors, through Congress,” said David Certner, AARP legislative policy director for government affairs. “Like earlier bills, it would increase health care costs by including an age tax, reducing coverage and undermining protections for people living with conditions like cancer or diabetes.”

GM, i hope you understand these are some of the reasons i can't support these trash ass bills.

say what you want about the ACA and single payer, but at least those sorts of policies are going deliberately out of their way to screw people like you over.

politicians constantly use older people as a talking point and/or bargaining chip, yet when it's time to put words to actions, they constantly come up with policies that only screw you guys over.

Yeah. We should supply the drug companies with over 300 billion a year in R&D, pay the highest drug prices in the world, pay the highest procedure cost in the world while ranking lower than many nations with socialized medicine and be perfectly happy about it. We should be happy with the GOP making huge cuts in medicaid that will cost tens of millions of people their healthcare.

Yeah, that's the ticket.

And your comments do not change what I posted.

We're being fleeced and you want nothing done about it.

Along with the wheelchairs, can you please stock up on statins, cholesterol, blood thinners, gerd oh and some nitro glycerin pills?

Lol, my fellow liberals, check this one out.

So you're against our government taking competitive bids from pharma to lower our prescription costs? How about our government capping what will be paid for medical procedures?

You see, that's exactly how nations with a single payer system have lowered their costs.

And let me ask you, what would be so wrong with having medicare as a base insurance for everyone with you having the option to buy gap insurance to cover everything else? See, what you would have is a minimum coverage with your ability to purchase private insurance to add what you want?

That's not total government healthcare. It's a minimum government program with you having the option to buy better coverage on top of that. See, that's what people aren't getting. Sure, you may not like the government coverage. So you can add to it as you wish.

And your comments do not change what I posted.

We're being fleeced and you want nothing done about it.

anybody watching the healthcare debate on CNN? looks like a decent debate set up between liberals and conservative leadership.