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I wish you guys would stop acting like you know what Constitutional Rights are. You, Pit, Perfect and other guys just sound stupid and ignorant.

The Constitutional Right to free speech means the Gov't can't prevent you from expressing yourself. An example of this is if Trump tried to sign an Executive Order that made it illegal for the players to kneel. As a private business the NFL and the clubs have the ability to dictate when, if, and how the players can protest on Game Day.

#themoreyouknow
#thetruthshallsetyoufree

Right now they are either choosing to succumb to their own cowardice or the analytics say long term expression of white guilt is more profitable, and support the myth of systemic white oppression and rampant police brutality.

Good, without fans like you the NFL will be stronger and more united. Buh Bye.

I know you ain't talking about anybody here not knowing what constitution is when you're in a profession who violates that crap everyday. You shoot unarmed civilians and steal their property due to civil forfeiture laws.

You represent exactly why these players are kneeling in the first place.

There's nothing illegal about kneeling for the anthem. Everybody knows it's a private business, however, people like you post as if there's already a RULE that players can't kneel.

Guess what snowflake? There isn't. And if Roger goodell and the NFL owners statements are any indication, there WONT be. We already know how our rights work. It seems like you and others are the ones sounding stupid.

I blame that on the low standard it takes to be a cop. Not your fault, your department failed to educate you.

The only people who actually argue with terms like white guilt are the same dudes who are too oblivious and ignorant to the world around them. white guilt is nothing but a term invented by those who expect others to admit fault without taking responsibility for their own community's actions.

Don't like the NFL, don't watch. Don't like the NBA, don't watch. Looks like some MLB players are doing it too.

Go steal someone else property during a traffic stop, cop.

You said the magic word "Dictate" = dictatorship....no thanks.

Doubtful. Ratings are already down for the second year in a row. As Mark Cuban once said about the NFL: pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. He said that around the peak of the NFL's popularity (several years ago, IIRC) and I thought it was kind of crazy at the time.

Now I see his point as the NFL continues to tinker with the rules, send games overseas, and fights for various causes that are rubbed in the faces of the most loyal, passionate, and generally conservative fan base.

It's still some time off as the NFL is obviously still extremely popular and profitable. We'll see what happens though.

You've already said that Devil was one of the good guys out there. Don't stoop to this level, Swish. You actually allude to a topic that we could find some common ground on-- civil forfeiture as it is currently practiced is crazy-- but honestly I can't help but think you're losing it.

I haven't stooped to any level that hasn't been breached by others.

This crap is absolutely frustrating. I sit here as a 4 time combat vet watching fellow citizens defend the rights of white supremacist even after they commit a terrorist attack, yet here we as minorities are PEACEFULLY protesting over a sense of inequality and civil injustices.

Not marching that we are better than others. Not protesting that we want to be better than whites, but kneeling to help bring awareness to social issues in an attempt to help have EVERYONE as equals, yet people like you and Devil are more upsets at us than the white nationalist who killed a woman.

As a minority, how do you really expect me to react to what I'm witnessing?

This crap has sent a clear message to not only myself, but other minorities.

It doesn't matter if we're multi millionaire athletes, or musicians, or combat vets, or capable of being president.

At the end of the day, we are nothing more than black people in America, this deserve to be treated as second class citizens.

You and Devil NEVER speak up for us. Message sent loud and clear.

Your president called those players SOBs.

Where was the strong language when the white supremacist were committing terrorism?

That's the crap we're talking about.

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Black people acting like victims.

Get them a hankie.

Boohoo.

These crybabies have the right to protest and I have the right to hate their guts.

Actually they dont have that right. They have no rights in a place of business.

They do have a right to protest in the street.

They can go kneel in a gutter for all I care.

I am very upset at the whole debate. It is stupid. I did not watch the game today. First Browns game since 1977 I did not watch.

Kaepernick had socks that had pigs with police helmets on. Enough said that showed what bad character he has.

The Browns protested in the pre season and were called out by the community. They showed great respect and dignity at the first home game walking hand in hand arm and arm with fire, police, and emergency workers. I was proud of them.

Trump was wrong to call people SOB. Why pick a fight in the first place. I am not happy with what he said and tweeted this weekend. He had the morale high ground until he said what he said.

Then the players lash out at him and protest taking knees during the National Anthem. That is when I turned the game off and did not watch. They showed Trump!!! They showed they are a group of disrespectful over paid spoiled brats. Gave the morale high ground right back. Two wrongs do not make a right.

Sad all the way around.

I know.
This issue has been going round and round for a while, turning on then turning off.

President Trump has his way of bringing things to a head.
I think this was intentional.
The entire Nation is now discussing these things with strong emotions and I believe that was his intent.

You can't listen to him and just say, Meh.

First everyone chooses up sides and then they fight and argue.
Through it all, you will hear some things from the other side that makes some sense.
Finally everyone will be exhausted and things may begin to change.

In the end, the discussion will have been had, the emotions exhausted, and the air a bit clearer.

Cute that you imply we need to go back to Africa 40.

Wonder why you felt the need to delete it.

That article did not say that!
Quit acting the fool!
I deleted it because when you go to it and start reading a form comes up trying to get you to subscribe and it won't let you back to the article.
Thought I would save everyone the trouble. That's all.

Yea yea. Again, cute 40.

But I get it. Second class citizens we are.

Are you hitting on me now or what?

If you want to go to Africa to stay, I might be willing to foot the bill!

I do think just about everyone called out the killing of the lady in Charlotsville as being wrong, and hoping the car driver got prosecuted.

Well I think the flag should not be apart of any protest and for that reason I cancelled my Sunday ticket I refuse to pay to watch anyone disrespect my flag or my country.i have loved this team for over 50 years and it's a sad day at my house.at the end of the day if I go into work everyday and do something that I know is going to have a native reaction and continue to do it am a jerk.i wish I could make it better pray for peace God Bless the troops that has fought and continue to fight for or flag and freedom they deserve better

See slavery, see segregation. Freedom in tUSA is a fallacy. This is what players kneel for, and I will stand behind them.

No, what we vets deserve is for people to stop telling others how they can or can't express their rights that WE fought for.

It's one of the most tone death arguments still being used today.

Troops fought for you to have rights so you should show respect by NOT using them.

Crap makes zero sense.

You do realize there is no slavery or segregation in the USA, right?

Dont let the truth get in the way of you waving your victim card.

Yeah.. must be stupid.

I never said what they were doing is illegal. That was my whole point LOL

But don't let reading comprehension get in the way. That would be a terrible thing.

Oh this... "The only people who actually argue with terms like white guilt are the same dudes who are too oblivious and ignorant to the world around them. white guilt is nothing but a term invented by those who expect others to admit fault without taking responsibility for their own community's actions. "

So we're on the same page... this is referencing the black community at large right?

Well, there actually is slavery in the modern day U.S. Human trafficking is a much bigger problem than most people realize. A lot of gangs do it to supplement their income and find it safer than the drug trade.

Let me be clearer for you. There is no LEGAL slavery or segregation in the USA.

Pretty sure the tears arent about crimes perpetuated by blacks.

J/C

The sad part of this whole debate is the underlying issue is being totally ignored. It became about the flag. So I ask, what good is this protest doing?

Gotcha.

no, we aren't on the same page.

we always have to admit our faults, while you guys, especially cops, get to play victim like you never do anything wrong.

this 4 time combat vet supports the players protesting against people like you.

j/c

I think these "kneel for the National Anthem" protests are working.

I see more and more people standing and PUTTING THEIR HAND over their heart than I ever have before.

That's at local sports, for the most part. But it includes blacks and whites, and hispanics.

I think the "kneeling for the national anthem" is a great way to, yet again, unite the silent majority. The silent majority overtook the vocal minority in the last election. and, yeah, I know the lie master hillary won the popular vote. I also think I know why.




I must admit, it's been cool to see over the last 6-8 months or so. The number of people that not only stand for the anthem at sporting events, but the number that put their right hand over their heart. And I'll be the first to admit, I'm seeing it at h.s. events. H.s. events, like the state basketball tournament games all the way to the state games...........softball games, volleyball games.

Black,white,hispanic. United as one. Kinda cool.











I've also seen nfl ratings drop. I've heard of the nfl rebating some money to advertisers because of the drop in viewership - obviously, can't verify that as of now.



It's the United States of America. Not the united states of white america, and certainly not the u.s. of black america.

But, it is what it is......athletes wanting to protest. That's fine.

Got a text today from a friend: "Well, cancel the plans on going to the game. We'll still get the hotel room and have a great time. I just don't want any of my money going to the nfl."

I had to agree with her.

And I know those tickets were sold, so somebody bought them, but we, the 6 of us, certainly won't be buying them on the secondary market.







Players want to protest? Good for them. They can do that.


People can also choose to provide funding to the nfl.........and once the t.v. broadcasters see the downfall in viewership, the money will dry up pretty quick.

That's neat. You have an opinion. Your military background makes your opinion more valid than others? If so, how?

I thought the protest was about the u.s.


Anyway, to a tee, every military combat vet, and every military vet I know, thinks the kneeling this is stupid.

Of course, they also know the kneeling thing isn't about military service.

But, you can keep throwing your service out there like it makes you special. Most don't.

It certainly does.

Why? Because all these people who didn't even serve are using us as a talking point.

""It's so disrespectful to the vets who fought".

Yet when I, an ACTUAL combat vet, like many others come out in support, now people like you want to claim that I'm throwing my service around.

That's a double standard. You say nothing about those who didn't serve using ME and other vets as a talking point, but then turn around and come at me because I'm an actual vet with a different opinion?

That's why I don't take you serious on any of these social discussions.

So yea, it makes my opinion more valid than most, and equal to those who did serve who have a different opinion.

People are gonna have a problem with what I say and I don't care because that's how I feel.

You voted for a draft dodger. You, 40, Haus, Devil, and others. So if you want to know why I essentially wipe my ass with you guys opinion, it's because you guys have no credibility on this topic.

You guys claim it's disrespectful to the country to kneel, yet voted for a guy who bitched out and dodged the draft when said COUNTRY called on him to serve.

That's the most disrespectful crap to a nation ever, short of treason. But hell, there's a good chance he did that too.

Yea, I'll take social justice warriors over double standard, draft dodging supporters all day everyday.

That's neat.

I thought the whole freaking protest was about the cops?

So, tell me straight up, in YOUR opinion, what the hell is the kneeling thing about?

Military? Or cops? Or black on black crime. Or people hating the country they live in. Or is it anti kkk/white supremacist?

What the the hell is the whole "kneeling" for the song of this country protesting?






As for the rest of your comments......gee, you supported a guy that never served in the military, he was just a community organizer, whatever the hell that is.

Never heard you bitch about Bill Clinton and his seric.........er, lack of service.

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/candidates/democrat/clinton/skeletons/draft.shtml

But, I'm sure it's "different" in your mind, right?

How many times are we gonna go over this?

A. Obama did not dodge a draft. He was not of age to be drafted.
B. I ALREADY SAID BEFORE that i wouldn't support Clinton if I was old enough to vote back in 92.

But simple logic would tell you why I don't say much about it. CAUSE I WAS 5 YEARS OLD when he was elected president. I didn't know who he was, nor did I care.

But there you go with a false narrative. Making up crap and trying to play the "what about" game.

Typical for someone who has zero argument.

You already know what the protest is over. Kaep and other players already told you. Stop playing stupid. Guys like YOU are the ones who decide that it was disrespectful to the military, and to somehow make the protest about disrespecting military and law enforcement and all that other stuff, which is why I tailored my comments as such.

You don't like what's happening? Well we don't like what's happening to us. So either don't watch sports or help out, that way they don't feel the need to kneel anymore.

But playing stupid, using whataboutism, voting for draft dodgers who calls us SOBs but won't talk tough to Russia or white supremacists is why you have zero credibility, and can't be taken seriously.

Did anybody see Villanueva of the Steelers, you know the Army vet, stand out in the open at the end of the tunnel with his hand over his heart? Tells you how he feels. I'm also an Army vet.

He made his Nation proud.

Vets are cool except for Swish and IRE.

Nah, I've never said it was about the military........."YOUR" side has. (as if we need sides in yet more crap?)

Like I said, this whole thing is ........well, I didn't say this before, but I will now: Stupid, on each and every level, AND, it's uniting people like you can't believe.

But, it's uniting the "wrong" people in your mind. I find that disarming, yet funny at the same time.

The protests, at least around here, are doing the exact opposite of what the protesters want. Ironic, isn't it?


When the nfl sees - as they are now - the lower tv ratings, they'll change it up, big time. Right now, they are worried about......................I don't know: Black on black crime, a perception of cops on black crime............that's the problem with this whole stupid Kap protest thing. No one knows what the hell the protest is about.

Oh............this precious gem of yours. "WE" don't like what's happening to "us". Says the guy that also says he hates cops and would run from them.

I don't like what's happening in this country, and it's been going on for a long, long time. Sides.

Some want to make it a black and white issue. And that's just dumb. Blacks make up, 13% of the population? "Whites" around 56?

But yeah, the whole country is anti black, right?

Good luck with that attitude.

I disagree with everything in your obviously tone death response. You proved everything I said riight.

Not surprising though. Oblivious people make oblivious comments everyday.

I was thinkin' the same thing, but swish wasn't nearly old enough to vote for Bill so I don't think this one counts against him.

His wife on the other hand, and all her myriad of vile conduct...he did vote for that.

you voted for someone with vile conduct too.

atleast she wasn't a draft dodger. keep defending it though.