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Black power is something I support. It's a message that we should be proud of who we are instead of the dehumanizing white society has done to us since slavery. Once we gain actual equality, then black power will go away. And if you haven't notice, it HAS been slowly going away.

The black only business is something I don't support, but I understand based on socioeconomic policies why thats a thing.

If you want to know why. Look up Tulsa, AKA black Wall Street. 1921.

Then you'll understand why throughout history, we've been scared about having our own businesses and thriving communities.

The Steelers are a far better football team than the Bears, yet the Steelers came out flat and went into halftime down 17-7.

Maybe they were mentally withdrawn due to their emotions. Maybe it was just your typical swings you see in sports.. it's hard to say. I don't think it really matters a whole lot?

So you don't stand against supremacy, only white supremacy. You don't see an issue there? That is why your arguments or opinion means nothing to most.

Well it apparently matters some seeing as you're the one who brought it up.

Your logic doesn't really work. The jags kneeled too, and then went on to Slaughter the ravens.

Other teams had players locking arms and such. 1-2 minutes of display of protest has zero to do with what happened after kickoff.

Julio Jones was locked armed with the Falcons owner. They won. By your logic, they won't because they were protesting, right?

Bro are you that oblivious? I stand against any group thinking they are BETTER than anyone else.

I just gave you the skinny on black power, and yet you completely ignored it and came up,with your own reasoning behind it.

My arguments and opinions are solid. I really don't care if anybody on this board doesn't agree with me because this isn't a popularity contest. I'll state what I choose to and do it proudly.

I heard he is working as a Coal Miner in WV now. Kneels all the time in them there small spaces.

There were three teams that didn't come out for the Anthem at all. However, two of those teams (Seahawks and Titans) played each other. That leaves the Steelers.

It may well have been a coincidence... sample size of 1 and all that. This angle really doesn't matter though. It was more to get a dig in at the Squealers but if you want to say it had nothing to do with their dreadful first half, I'm cool with that too.

I hate crapsburgh, so we're in agreement.

Many feel it's wrong, so what.

It's okay to fall on either side of how you feel about standing for the anthem. Nobody will make you sit, kneel, or stand because you get to make that choice! The players are no different.

WE ALL KNOW:

Our rights to free speech allow us to protest peacefully. The owners could take action because this is a place of business, like they apparently have with Kaepernick, but how is that working out for them? Now the owners have backed the players, so there is nothing legally wrong going on here.

If you can't bear to see the kneeling, you don't have to watch. You don't have to support the team, the owners, or the protest in anyway. Personally I don't think watching the game, going to games, buying gear is in anyway supporting the protest but still the choice is yours.

What Trump Did:

Once again Trump has exploited a divide in the nation, primarily between people of color and his base. Yet again, liberals will mostly take the side of the protest as rights are involved and the right wingers will take the side of imposing their will on others thereby diminishing rights and freedom using the same old weapons of supposed higher sense of morality, God and Country Patriotism, and the white majority including thinly veiled bigotry.

Shaming people into conformity instead of understanding and addressing their grievances is pretty much a ritual for the right. Donald Trump understands this well enough to use it to eat up yet another news cycle. I have to wonder what happened behind the scenes on Sunday...

I am a Vet:

I'm a vet and I believe in standing for the anthem, but I had no idea of the textual contents in the offensive verses of the anthem. Now that I know, I will still stand for my Country and Flag, but I will not sing that damn song.

That is my compromise, those are my beliefs and I as well as many others sacrificed to insure that we could ALL make that kind of choice.

We do not serve so that any group can impose their views on another, we do not serve to defend God's word like islamic terrorists, we do not serve to enforce bigotry... we serve so that all of the people in this country can live free from these threats and many others. We protect the rights and freedoms of everyone, not just the wealthy, a certain party, the religious, a certain color, or other exclusive groups.

So please do not use the military, veterans, the flag, the country, or our service to them all to do something as offensive as Trump did this past week/weekend. Shame on him.

J/C

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Sounds like Tomlin doesn't agree with letting his players exercise their rights.

On purpose to deflect the attention of many American's away from North Korea and the Russian meddling thingy and to advance his agenda of systematically taking away our first amendment rights.

Impressive post. I can agree with just about all of it. My only exception is your biased beliefs of the right but that's fine.

Again, great post.

I think I can help with this one.

1. Clinton applied for deferment, then changed his mind and registered for the draft. He drew a 311, and the draft's highest conscription was 195.*

2. Conscription wasn't mandatory for women.

3. There was no mandatory draft when Obama turned 18.



*Vietnam War opposition and draft controversy
While at Oxford, Clinton also participated in Vietnam War protests and organized an October 1969 Moratorium to End the War in Vietnam event.[4]

During Vietnam War, Clinton received educational draft deferments while he was in England during 1968 and 1969.[23] He was planning to attend law school in the U.S. and was aware that he might lose his draft deferment. Clinton tried unsuccessfully to obtain positions in the National Guard or Air Force, and he then made arrangements to join the Reserve Officers' Training Corps (ROTC) program at the University of Arkansas.[24]

He subsequently decided not to join the ROTC, saying in a letter to the officer in charge of the program that he opposed the war, but did not think it was honorable to use ROTC, National Guard, or Reserve service to avoid serving in Vietnam. He further stated that because he opposed the war, he would not volunteer to serve in uniform, but would subject himself to the draft, and would serve if selected only as a way "to maintain my political viability within the system".[25] Clinton registered for the draft and received a high number (311), meaning that those whose birthdays had been drawn as numbers 1 to 310 would have to be drafted before him, making it unlikely that he would be drafted. (In fact, the highest number drafted was 195.)[26]
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#NationalFascistLeague

Never again. Semper fi

Alejandro Villanueva is a U.S. Military Academy graduate and former Army Ranger. He has earned the right to go out and stand for his flag.

All speculative and IMO totally off base. Trumps slogan is 'Make America Great Again' and kneeling for the anthem bothers him. That's all, nothing more, no secret agenda to distract.

#NationalFelonLeague

It is possible that those who are creative might be able to come up with even more amusing initialisms for the NFL.

Apparently his coach (and some players) doesn't think so.

Teams that held players in the locker room during the Na are coping out. The players belong on the field during the NA. And whether they choose to take a knee or not is within their constitutional rights.

I agree, and have stated before, regardless of what side of the issue you fall on, that was worse.

If you feel so strongly that you have to knee during the NA, then get out there and take that knee. Don't let someone silence you. they let the coach and owner silence them. They are fighting against oppression, yet let themselves be oppressed.

BS.

The owners and coaches could care less about the issues, it is about money.
They realize if they stand against the players it will cause a rift between players and management and their chance of winning, and making money, goes out the window.

Not all teams are oppressing their players. Only those with owners that think they can get away with taking away constitutional rights of their players by threatening retaliation of some sort on them.

IMO Tomlin did this at the request of Rooney because he knew many players would take a knee. So they got together and decided to stay off the field as one unit. But one player stepped out instead to stand for the NA. Bet if one player stepped out and took a knee the tone would suddenly change here on it.

Or if Tomlin took a knee, heads would explode.

One in this case was right. And, one in the other case is wrong. Simple as that! Honor your Country.

So in other words. Owners do care.

Both are protected by the 1st amendment of the US constitution. So in this case, you are wrong.

Imposing your views on others DOES NOT "Honor your Country.", simple as that. Read my post #1321867 above.

What do you mean Trump devided the nation? Didn't these Black crybabies divide the nation? They sure as hell devided me . Up until yesterday I had not missed a game in years.
I watched preseason hockey yesterday instead of the Browns.

Oh, you mean that slogan that he does not adhere to and that he has all over his hats that are made in China

It is a matter of character. Those on their knees have low morale character. Those standing good character. They did nothing illegal just stupid.

If you are a Left leaning Hillary or Bernie supporter, Trump and his victory divided the Nation.

It is his fault he won.
It is his fault they can't get over it.

Fixed it for you.

First, I said "exploited a divide in the nation" because this outrage on the right over Kaepernick's protest has been ongoing for over a year. Trump didn't need to say or do anything but he did just to throw red meat to his base.

Second, you have the right to not watch.

Third, your label of the protester's as "Black crybabies" sounds pretty damn bigoted to me. So maybe you should reassess your world views a little and see that some people might disagree with your views and that is an okay thing.

40. I voted for Trump and I will probably vote for him again. I am disappointed in him this weekend though. He caused this whole kneeling thing over the weekend. If he would have kept his mouth shut he had the morale high ground on this subject. He did not and caused a stir. Then the players like a bunch of immature million dollar spoiled brats tried to spite him by taking a knee to show him. They showed their selves to be ignorant. Most children learn this lesson before they are 3. Two wrongs do not make 1 right.

I disagree. I think President Trump broke open the damn of resentment in this Country over these issues and now the flood of emotions and thoughts and positions are flowing.

A conversation that needed to come out of the background and forced to the foreground.

This will end up being good for America in the end, this I believe.

I'll give you props for looking for positives in all the crappy things Trump does 40. That's as far as I can agree with you though. Trump is an awful leader.

Sorry. I do not feel that way. His rhetoric fueled yesterday fire. I resent him for doing that and I resent the players for not honoring the people that died for their freedom. I am really hurt right now and bitter at both sides. No one won yesterday. America lost. It was a sad sad day for anyone who loves this country.

Star-Spangled Bigotry: The Hidden Racist History of the National Anthem

Jason Johnson
7/04/16 5:52am

Americans generally get a failing grade when it comes to knowing our “patriotic songs.” I know more people who can recite “America, F—k Yeah” from Team America than “America the Beautiful.” “Yankee Doodle”? No one older than a fifth-grader in chorus class remembers the full song. “God Bless America”? More people know the Rev. Jeremiah Wright remix than the actual full lyrics of the song. Most black folks don’t even know “the black national anthem.” (There’s a great story about Bill Clinton being at an NAACP meeting where he was the only one who knew it past the first line. Bill Clinton: Woke in the ’90s.)

In the case of our national anthem, “The Star-Spangled Banner,” perhaps not knowing the full lyrics is a good thing. It is one of the most racist, pro-slavery, anti-black songs in the American lexicon, and you would be wise to cut it from your Fourth of July playlist.

“The Star-Spangled Banner,” as most Americans know it, is only a couple of lines. In fact, if you look up the song on Google, only the most famous lyrics pop up on Page 1:

Oh say can you see,
By the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed,
At the twilight's last gleaming?

Whose broad stripes and bright stars,
Through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched,
Were so gallantly streaming.

And thy rocket's red glare,
Thy bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through thee night,
That our flag was still there.

Oh say does that star spangled banner yet wave,
O'er the land of the free, and the home of the brave.
The story, as most of us are told, is that Francis Scott Key was a prisoner on a British ship during the War of 1812 and wrote this poem while watching the American troops battle back the invading British in Baltimore. That—as is the case with 99 percent of history that is taught in public schools and regurgitated by the mainstream press—is less than half the story.


To understand the full “Star-Spangled Banner” story, you have to understand the author. Key was an aristocrat and city prosecutor in Washington, D.C. He was, like most enlightened men at the time, not against slavery; he just thought that since blacks were mentally inferior, masters should treat them with more Christian kindness. He supported sending free blacks (not slaves) back to Africa and, with a few exceptions, was about as pro-slavery, anti-black and anti-abolitionist as you could get at the time.

Of particular note was Key’s opposition to the idea of the Colonial Marines. The Marines were a battalion of runaway slaves who joined with the British Royal Army in exchange for their freedom. The Marines were not only a terrifying example of what slaves would do if given the chance, but also a repudiation of the white superiority that men like Key were so invested in.

All of these ideas and concepts came together around Aug. 24, 1815, at the Battle of Bladensburg, where Key, who was serving as a lieutenant at the time, ran into a battalion of Colonial Marines. His troops were taken to the woodshed by the very black folks he disdained, and he fled back to his home in Georgetown to lick his wounds. The British troops, emboldened by their victory in Bladensburg, then marched into Washington, D.C., burning the Library of Congress, the Capitol Building and the White House. You can imagine that Key was very much in his feelings seeing black soldiers trampling on the city he so desperately loved.

A few weeks later, in September of 1815, far from being a captive, Key was on a British boat begging for the release of one of his friends, a doctor named William Beanes. Key was on the boat waiting to see if the British would release his friend when he observed the bloody battle of Fort McHenry in Baltimore on Sept. 13, 1815. America lost the battle but managed to inflict heavy casualties on the British in the process. This inspired Key to write “The Star-Spangled Banner” right then and there, but no one remembers that he wrote a full third stanza decrying the former slaves who were now working for the British army:

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
In other words, Key was saying that the blood of all the former slaves and “hirelings” on the battlefield will wash away the pollution of the British invaders. With Key still bitter that some black soldiers got the best of him a few weeks earlier, “The Star-Spangled Banner” is as much a patriotic song as it is a diss track to black people who had the audacity to fight for their freedom. Perhaps that’s why it took almost 100 years for the song to become the national anthem.

To hear more of the story, there is an excellent short documentary about the history of “The Star-Spangled Banner” by some students at Morgan State University. In the meantime, it might be a good idea to switch up your Fourth of July patriotic playlist.

http://www.theroot.com/star-spangled-bigotry-the-hidden-racist-history-of-the-1790855893

Maybe a little understanding is what we need.

I'm not sad at all and I love and fought for this country.

Speak for yourself because you don't speak for me.

Its cool, we just disagree.

As the Brits like to say, "Keep calm and carry on"