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Wasn't sure where to put this ... the other hogan thread is long so i figured I'd start a new one and lead with this update ....

DeShone Kizer - QB - Browns

Browns coach Hue Jackson thinks benching DeShone Kizer "will benefit" the young quarterback.

"If that is the decision that we make," Jackson said before clearly showing he has already made his decision. "I think it will benefit him tremendously because he would get a chance to get a breather and take a look at it from a different lens and not from that pressure." It is not official, but it certainly sounds like Kevin Hogan will get the start this week.

Source: Akron Beacon-Journal Oct 10 - 10:32 AM

Thank god he's not doing it cause he thinks it will hurt him ... i like that about Hue .... *L*

I wrote this to post on the other thread but when I went to post it, the thread had already been locked. It was before I knew Hue named Hogan the starter so I'll just post it here................

While I do believe that Browns fans have a bad habit of falling in love with the back up QB.... until they become the starter. Would people like a list? lol And while I'd like to side with continuing to start Kizer, I just can't.

First of all, I don't believe Hogan is the answer. Every time I see his initials on here, KH, it makes me think of Kelly Holcomb and I think the results will be no better than that.

Having said all of that, I can't see any excuse or reason not to give him his shot. I believe he's earned it in the brief stints we've seen him play.

At this time, I have to go with what I've always believed and promoted. You start the players that give you the best chance to win. At this time that QB would be Kevin Hogan. At least until we see evidence that indicates otherwise.

I believe that evidence will come to the forefront. I believe opposing D's will figure him out quickly. But at this moment, he gives us the best chance to win and that is the player you should start.

Hue has said many times that he’s gonna go with whoever gives us the best chance to win.

Kept his word.

https://cle.247sports.com/Gallery/Cleveland-Browns-depth-chart-Houston-Texans-107324842

Kizer is listed as the starter here.

Hue's like the Trumpster .... he says a lot of things that end up not being true ... *LOL* ....

OCD Hue ain't made it official yet ... or maybe the FO didn't approve the chit (military flashback .. *LOL*) yet ...

I take that with a grain of salt, no way Britt, Crow, etc give us the best chance to win when Duke and just about every other rec is playing better.

Duke is playing Swiss Army knife, which is why crow continues to get the bulk of carries. Also he’s more durable than duke.

Britt is trash, but he was still the best WR we had, especially with Coleman breaking his hand.

We are lacking talent. We have trash players backing up trash starters. That’s how it is on quite a few positions.

I actually thought I read somewhere where Hue said he would stick with Kizer through the bumpy road (ala Peyton Manning).


Although we are not going to win the super bowl, I think Kizer is hurting our chances at a win.

I'd rather Hue say that to the young man than sugar coat it. I hear how he's a straight forward coach, well tell him point blank you've sucked, you're still my guy and we'll get you there but you're taking this game off.

I get that about Duke, but I still think he should get more touches than Crow. He is a better runner even if hes just the "shifty" guy. Crow gets tacked by a wet fart, and I am tired watching him run in the backs of our lineman to hop backwards 2 yards then get tackled.

Britt, sorry I would say Kasen, Treggs, and Higgens are all better options.

Kizer should be gagging on deja vu in the films breakdown, seeing awful choices week after week. Saying he has improved is truly relative. He needs some Vitamin Pine; he has earned it. Hogan is not our long term answer, but start him, not because he is great, but because Kizer has killed us worse than many on the board might have expected. Not an off game or rookie jitters; consistent lapses. I think Kizer has skills for down the road, but he is not near competing for a win currently. I am not that curious; if I have to watch ten or more losses to pretend he has "developed" or "grown", then I am really done watching for awhile. I assume we have seen his best at this time of which he is capable. Hogan is getting us scores with the same people, playbook, and does those consistently. Start Hogan for awhile.

I’ve been reading it a lot, but how do we know that Hogan isn’t the long term answer? It’s interesting how Hue is always talking about developing Kizer...makes me wonder how much time is actually spent on developing Hogan?

Did he get this far on his own with minimal help from Hue? What would happen if Hue did invest more time in developing him?

I get it, he’s the backup...but he’s clearly outperforming the starter.

Hogan did what Kizer needs to do. Work on the pro game. Hogan did not look like this last year when playing. He sat and developed. I think that is exactly what Kizer needs.

Ahhh..........never mind. LOL

It's not out of the question that Hogan can be the long-term answer. He gets the ball out in timely fashion, he seems to have good accuracy, ball placement - from what little I've seen of him.
Seems to process quickly. I'm kinda hopeful about him actually, although I'm not giving up on Kizer five games into his career. That would be short-sighted.

Really? You think that Hue thought Kiser was the answer from the start? Could Hue be that inept”

If Hugh Jackson sticks with Kiser his record will be 1-30 and he'll be looking at a new career.
Any team ever go back to back 1-15 seasons?That's what's going to happen with Kiser under center.

Kiser has learned nothing in 4 games.
Still gives up turnovers in the red zone..the only thing he's good at is sliding and drawing penalties..maybe that's the secret play..lol

Wanna make a bet?

I say that if Hue gets fired, he will have a job as soon as he wants one.

On the other hand, I think if Sashi is fired, he won't get another job in the NFL.

Keep things in perspective, people.

1: David Shula: Career record: 19-52. Shula, son of the legendary coach Don Shula, lost 50 of his first 71 games, becoming the fastest coach in NFL history to reach 50 losses. His best season: 7-9 in 1995.

Shula’s teams never finished higher than third in the AFC Central. He had two 3-13 seasons, and then never coached again.

As an oc ... sure ...

As a HC ...

I'm guessing Hugh would need 3 seasons at 1-15 to obtain the record..he's getting close...pass the popcorn..

I am a little slow. What is this supposed to mean?

I like how you left out the part about Sashi.

You keep laughing your ass off at me, Diam. No problem.

If only we had a first round pick for every time someone spelled Kizer as "Kiser" lol, we'd just be able to select all the Qbs in the upcoming draft. I do it too, hopefully my spelling typo results in an actual QB that can play.

I think the smart move is to start Hogan for the rest of the year.

I really hope he proves me right. That he is who I think he is.

To me, kizer is RGIII, Weeden.

Hope kizer proves me wrong, but that is how I see him when he plays

Couple of things .....

You don't tear a team down to a bunch of rookies, and start winning right away.

Rookie QBs, a few notable exceptions aside, don't win big in the NFL. Goff is probably one on the same type of learning curve as Kizer. His big step forward came between years 1 and 2.

I do think that Hogan showed that some of our guys on offense have some talent and ability. Kizer is 21, only played 2 years in college, and has shown that he needs some time to sit and learn.

I think that the defense has showed that it can play well when it has most of the pieces together. We still don't have one of our big pieces, Jamie Collins, back yet.

The plan was to tear it all down and start building from the ground up. We did this. If we dump what we have started to build, and start over again, we're just taking another step backwards. We have pieces in place, and need to continue to add to those pieces. We are 1.25 seasons into a complete rebuild. It wasn't going to come overnight.

The challenge is that many try to figure out which QB will be the answer before they have seen any games to make a fair assessment. Kizer is not the answer for now, that is pretty obvious. Hogan may or may not be. We will see. Hopefully he improves with each game, and I am willing to let the games reveal the decision.

our recievers are better than we thought. it was the qb..

its not like we were all in to get kizer to begin with. he `fell to us`..

Worst coaching record in NFL history.Hugh is closing in on the record

Question 1; are you including his 8-8 record as HC of the Oakland Raiders in 2011 or just his 1-20 record here?

Question 2; how many of those 71 games coached by Shula were with teams that had been stripped down to the foundation and the youngest team in the NFL?

I'm not saying Hue is without flaws, but you are implying he's the worst in NFL history by citing a stat without context.

Regardless if Hue is a good coach with no talent or a bad coach with no talent, just imagine how demoralizing it must be for him. I mean, 1 and 20?

Statement from Browns HC Hue Jackson on Kevin Hogan being named starting QB:
“I’ve made the decision to start Kevin this week. We’ve liked what Kevin has been able to do within our offense when he’s been in there and he will ‪start on Sunday because that’s what we feel is best for our team at this point in time. This does not change the way we feel about DeShone going forward. He has worked extremely hard and still very much has a bright future. Right now, it’s better for him and his development to back up Kevin.”

https://www.facebook.com/AdamSchefter/posts/1646941862025115

We should have let it go. Too early to say BUST over a kid so green, but we do not need to season him until 1-46 or thereabouts. I really want to see some of the great stuff he does that made us hang our hats on him.

Could've made that decision a few weeks ago, Hue. It doesn't even take a formula, math, science or anything but utter common sense. Glad you had to take weeks to dwell on common sense, Al' Mighty QB Whisperer

That is a big turd sandwich for Hue to bite into. I'm not going to dwell on the likelihood that this decision probably should have been made long ago.

It will be interesting to see how Hogan looks after a week of practicing with the starters.

I'm scared of what happens if Hogan isn't the hidden superstar we're hoping. I feel this is the decision that gets everyone fired.

I don't know if Sashi would or not, but I agree, Hue will have no problem finding a job. Probably better than 95%. Sashi's odd are under 25%. I place them that high because he is a sharp guy, but I doubt he will have any roster control.

I hope not. Maybe Hogan is the low-risk / high-reward crutch the team needs right now. If he looks good-to-serviceable, he's the bridge to Kizer/?. If he looks bad...well...he WAS just a PS guy. If he looks like Kurt Cousins...yippee.

I'm channeling my inner 'eotab' this morning.