DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Hogan the starter part 2 ..

After the bad throws, holding the ball too long, staring down his target and etc etc with the consistent, game after game display of the same mistakes - I think after the third game would've been beyond clear to make the move. The drops, although hard to see when we finally get a catchable ball, are not why we're having this conversation or why we made this move. A lot of turnovers are because he has no clue what timing is, and no clue what accuracy is.

If you want to sit back in fairy tale land, say "let's not make it more than what it is" and etc - go on. Have faith Kizer will get another chance and he'll be improved. I don't think he'll improve. This is JMO. He's had to look at the tape of himself, had to of had Hue yelling at him and etc and just never shown the signs of improvement out there.

Hogan has come in each and every time and right away moved this offense. He's already brought SOME stability with no work with the #1s. He deserved this chance probably before Kizer/Kessler took #1 reps. Hue made him the last on our roster, and he's now the starter hahaha.

Bad decisions...

Took five weeks to see what I saw in game three of the preseason. That's not good.

Do you think that maybe Hogan, who has sat and learned, has benefitted the way most want when they say we need to let the rookie sit for a year. Hogan has done that. Also he was coached by a couple good staffs.

I don't know if he's going to be the answer everyone is looking for, but he might just be someone who can run the offense efficiently enough, to let the defense dictate the game.

Then again, he might just suck like all the rest.

Glad to see some move that is different. These losses have been bad followed by a worse week the next game. And it was getting worse with DK. Not that Hogan is great; DK is bad at some basic stuff.

Good luck, Hogan! Go, Brownies!

I will just quote this part so you know which post I was replying to.

I liked your post and agree w/almost all of it. Very logical and reasonable.

I do want to add that I think the plan was very risky because people are already assigning blame to Hue. Last year, they blamed Horton.

People might say they will be patient, but as the losses continue to mount, their patience is out the window and they look to assign blame.

Gutting the roster leads to a ton of losing. A ton of losing leads to emotional reactions. Emotional reactions lead to firings. Firings lead to further ineptitude.

It never ends, Cal.

I think we both agree that no one should be fired and that we should give them all plenty of time to see this through.

I just have my doubts that the above will occur. And I think it's a damn shame that Hue is catching so much grief from the fans and media!

I liked Hogan in the draft and said several times that maybe he was the dark horse due to Pep Hamilton being on our staff. I was very glad to see we picked him up from KC.

There is no doubt he has come in and looked exciting BUT...how will he do when a defense plans for him? Thus far he has come in and played in spurts as a reliever. No team has actually watched his film and prepped/planned to play 60 minutes against him. Sunday will be interesting to see what he can do, how he plans and prepares as a starter and how he responds to what Houston's defense dial up.

That's always the question, isn't it?
Game-planning against a QB who until now was an afterthought, I mean.
I guess if he's going to be good, Hogan and the coaches will have to adjust to the defensive adjustments, and be successful.

I am not quite getting the "game planning" angle many have been throwing around in regards to Hogan.

Teams have been game planning to stop our run game the last two years by assigning an extra man in the box.

I am really not trying to be snarky, but are people thinking that teams are now suddenly going to be changing the game plan because Kevin Hogan has been named the starter?

LOL.....I'm sorry...............but..........LOL!!!!

It's funny, some losses are ok but not this many. We can take failure, just not total failure. We don't like the teams we had, but don't get rid of everyone, just the ones we say. We want a coach and FO to run the team and make decisions but only if we agree with everything the say and do. It's like living with a collective of irrationality. I hope Haslam has the cojones to stay the course. If they blow it up again in the next year or two the fanbase will deserve everything that comes from that.

Haslam is the key, Cal. Let's hope he doesn't listen to all the nay-sayers and stays the course for once.

I actually have more hope now that Dee is involved. She is probably more level-headed than hot-headed Jimmy.

Haha, I understand what you're saying man, but if Hogan continues his production through the air, opposition Ds will have to look at another approach.

Yeah, no doubt.

And I was not getting on your ass. You were just the last one to mention it...and yeah, I know you were replying to someone else who said it. LOL....sorry about that, bro.

I have just been reading those comments for a bit now and I think most were brought up more to defend Kizer than anything else.

I don't get the game planning difference either. I look at Hogan and Kizer as having similar skills.. strong arm.. able to throw down field.. able to escape the pocket and run if needed.

The difference is .. Hogan sees the field better and makes quicker decisions. To me, it would seem as though there would be a similar game plan considering the arm, downfield ability and running ability. How would the game plan change??

I don't know. I guess it could.......but again, I don't think it will until Hogan does enough in the passing game [and that is a huge if] to make DC's change their plan.

well, if he sees the field better and gets the ball out quicker, then a defense would start having to give a little more respect to the pass game, no?

They could still roll with an initial plan of playing to stop the run, but they'd also have to have a couple of plans to adapt to if Hogan gets hot or finds a match-up that works in our favor. It might force them to abandon selling out for the run.

Having skills and being able to take advantage of your skills are two different things, I reckon.

Just a little side thought: if Kizer had been able to move the offense even just a little bit better, would we have 2 wins? (Pitt and the Jets) My thinking is Hogan doesn't need to be leaps and bounds better than Kizer was, but say he makes 5 more first downs. Does that put the team in a better position to win? One would think so. I don't think 5 more first downs is an unreasonable expectation.

I really liked Hogan in college, and was really happy to see us pick him up.

As an excercise, what NFL quarterback could Hogan be compared to, just using his small stat base? Could he be compared to an Alex Smith? Kirk Cousins? Andy Dalton? Just an opinion type of inquiry.

I'd say Billy Kilmer.

play wise? meh Carson Palmer maybe?

I'm bound to get another comment for that one lol

This doesn't answer your question and it is very early, and Sunday was the first time I saw him play this season.... and I am not a QB expert by any stretch, but I love his decisiveness.

I can't think of a QB right off the bat, that he reminds me of.

Billy Kilmer. LOL!

LOL

I don't see that as a issue. When Hogan came in the game, the plan didn't change. It's not like he is a different type of QB.

If I went back a ways.. I would say Joe Theisman.. out of the current crop of QBs .. Cousins might be about the closest. This is just based off a limited number of views, I'm sure others here will disagree

Hogan is, shockingly enough, a SPARQ wunderkind. I am actually shocked how closely his numbers are to one Dashaun Watson!

He, to me, looks like a Russel Wilson or maybe Colin Kaepernick? He is a better thrower than Kaepernick but he does seem to me to be a very good and smart runner.

The more I watch him, and how he played against the Jets, the more I like him. He struggles with pressure in his face but other than that, he plays a strong QB game.

I have no doubt he's in some way benefit from his time developing, as one would expect from any second year player, but my question is ultimately to what extent.

Kizer got benched last week for not being productive enough, but Hogan didn't win the game. My worst fear is sitting here at the end of the season with a 4-12 record and no idea what we've got in Deshone Kizer. The fans and media will still be calling for everyone to be fired, but we won't have the added benefit of knowing with some level of surety what our rookie is capable of. We'll ultimately be flying blind still, albeit to the tune of a little more production on offense.

I'm happy for Hogan, and hoping for the best, I'm just not at all sure this decision is going to turn the dial too much. If it only adds a couple of wins to our season total, I don't know if I'll find myself thrilled during a long offseason.

That's also ignoring the draft. When the Colts were announcing the selection of Andrew Luck, being 4-12 rather than 2-14 sure wasn't giving me a warm, fuzzy feeling.

I just feel like this was a desperation move. I do hope I'm wrong.

We keep drafting QBs till one sticks. If DK can't beat out next year's rookie then it's a wash anyway. Until we have our own franchise QB draft 1 a year. Here's hoping KH (!) can show something against Houston. I think they are beatable. Then again, so are we.

The Panthers drafted Cam Newton the year after drafting Jimmy Clausen in the second round. I'd expect we do the same thing.

Yeah, nothing wrong with drafting another QB this year, worst case scenario, Kessler drops off the bottom of the roster.

j/c

Until you have a franchise QB you need a franchise QB.

you keep drafting QB's till one comes in and takes the job...Kizer didn't, so you draft another...not like we don't have picks

I don't think Kizer is a finished product yet. Even if Hogan plays well enough to win the job for the rest of the year, Kizer will still be here.

JC...Is Kessler still not dressing on Sundays? Was just wondering if we are still only keeping two QBs active...

Wouldn't it be funny if the QB who was 4th on the depth chart, the one no one was talking about, turns out to be the best one and our QB of the future. If he does we can chalk it up to more outstanding talent evaluation by our FO!!!

Browns receiver adjust to more “touch” passes from Kevin Hogan

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...om-kevin-hogan/

Snippet:

Every quarterback throws it differently,” receiver Kenny Britt told reporters on Thursday. “[Kevin] Hogan has a little bit more touch. [DeShone] Kizer is going out there and it is a straight laser.”

Britt, nobody is interested in hearing from you... except for your opinions on catching from the Juggs machine.

The younger thinner Billy Kilmer, or the older more voluptuous Billy Kilmer?

I liked Hoyer just fine. didn't care that he got stuck on Gordon when he came back.

it was like Gordon was the only guy he wanted to throw too.