DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Mr. Kizer

Yes, Hue Jackson is at fault!!! Hue is not a so called QB GURU. He is not a QB Whisperer!!! He is an imposter in a high level position. His ego is killing him. Kizer would be wise to fool everyone into thinking he is a serviceable QB so that he can collect millions as a back up instead of going out into the public getting a real job. This whole thing is a joke!

Sashi, is that you?

Don't tell anyone.. :0

I don't think Kizer should have been taken out in the first place.

Hue is learning on the job!

And our losing streak will continue!

Be that as it may, going back to him after one week just seems silly. Is Hue's decisions based on conviction or fear? If Kizer was bad enough to be benched last week, he's likely just as bad this week. On the other hand, we don't know if Hogan's poor performance was a one off or not.

Indeed it does. Just a total lack of unfairness and without clue. But it's the Browns we're talking about here, so I'm ready for it tomorrow. And I'm ready for Kizer to come in and we'll see the bad throws and etc as before being benched for the one single game haha.

It hurts my brain.

I'm only saying that Hue said, at the beginning when he named Kizer the starter, that he was sticking with him no matter what.

He apparently had good reason for his convictions at that time. He had to know that Kizer was going to struggle. Perhaps not as much as he has, but he had to know.

I suspect we'll see either Hogan or Kessler before the season is over.

But if Kizer survives this, he may be tougher for it.

We'll see I guess

I understand your point, and I do think it comes down to how much he struggled. He was beginning to regress. Possibly do to an overload of information.

I agree. I think it would be a bad idea to start Kizer this week. More so because I think it could hinder his development than anything else.

It is foolish to throw Kizer back in there now!!!! But knowing Hue, he will probably do it. Ha Ha Ha....WOW

Who is this "we" you are speaking of?

The collective "we". You, me, the fans, Hue, Hogan, his teammates, and the good Lord himself. Well, maybe the Lord knows.

I pretty much predicted how this would go and it did. And I predict if we follow the same path with Hogan it will continue to go this way. You may not know but I believe that I do.

Big deal.

It doesn't have to.

I think if the team could play a running game and limit the Qb's throws to 10 or 11 on the whole day, that there would be an opportunity to make more plays than mistakes.

I think what we've seen all year is the team puts the offense in 2 minute mode when it's not the game situation of 2 minute offense.

And I think Kizer is wild enough, to just maybe pull off a 2 minute score, at the end of a game. (if they'd limit the 2 minute offense to when the game situation calls for it.)

Has this team tried a day where the offense ran the ball 7 out of ten times on the day, or 8, or 9 out of 10.
And really limited the quarterbacks, (rookie quarterbacks') opportunities to screw up and lose the game.

Have they tried that. What did they do in the Pittsburg game, I think that was the most competitive, at least for the first half, until the referees gave them boneheaded penalties to continue drives.

NO it's not, Kizer gives them the best chance to win; and he has more longterm upside, and figures into the plans longterm moreso also.
They may as well go with Kizer and see what he can do, and don't worry, if history tells us anything:

They won't be able to keep one Qb healthy for the entire year anyway, so, there's that.

You want to run the ball more? Good idea. How about we do something different and see what we have in Matt Dayes and Duke running it. We can still run Crow too but not as much. Let's see what the other guys can do. If it works it will take some pressure off DK or whomever starts for us. Dayes has a chip on his shoulder with something to prove. Let's give him a shot.

I think Crow needs more carries, not less. He gets better as the game goes on, and IMHO should be carrying 25-30 times a game. I like Duke to spell him, but Dayes' 2.3 YPC so far doesn't instill much confidence.

Hue needs an intervention ... hes coaching like Kizer’s playing ... OVERWHELMED right now ...

If he starts Kizer again this week it tells me he’s not thinking straight ...

That makes no sense ... NONE ...

Re-sign RG3 and start him for all i care ... id send Hogan or Kessler out there in a heartbeat ... Kizer needs to sit ... hes simply not ready ... playing him is not helping him, if its doing anything its hurting his development ....

Hue may not be destroying Kizer but hes certainly not helping him progress if he sends him back out there ... throwing him back there out now would just be WRONG ...

I think if the choices are Kizer, Hogan, and Kessler, and Kessler has spent the year in street clothes;
that the best option is to start Kizer the next 10 games, (and playoffs, ),

and just limit his opportunities to make mistakes by not asking him to throw the ball, very much at all.

"throwing him back there now would just be wrong." ?

Unless he goes out and wins.

There's a chance of it raining 100 dollar bills... but unlikely lol.

Is Matt Dayes healthy. I just assumed he was injured since he disappeared after he was in so much week 1.

That was when Duke was the slot receiver. Dayes lined as the slot receiver at least once.

Ya, thats the point ... if he wins its all better ...

I don't know..........Crow averaged 4.8 yds per carry against Houston. He's struggled some this year, but teams have been putting an extra man in the box because they know he is our best offensive skill player. He also averaged 4.8 per carry last year.

Crow ain't the problem.

Remember back in about 2006-2009? we had a guy named Jerome Harrison.. shifty little back, made a lot of big plays.. Jamal Lewis was our every down back and he had one good year and then seemed to decline quickly... Harrison put up gawdy numbers when he got touches and everybody wanted him to get more and more touches...

So then we made him the feature back and his numbers went to average (or below), he was here one year, then shipped out, ended up in Detroit and was out of the league in a year or two...

Yeah, good analogy.

And just to be clear........I am not bad-mouthing Duke. I think we have a pretty good one-two punch w/our RBs. They would be having much more success if we could even just get to below average in the passing game.

Jerome Harrison retired because he had a brain tumor.

https://twitter.com/LateRoundQB/status/920292316962807808

Interesting stats, cfrs. Kizer vs Hogan frequency similar with Hogan connecting more often. While Kizer's Completion % is at the low end, Hogan's is in the league ballpark...

I wonder what those numbers would reflect without all the drops the first three weeks.

It's hard to say nobody knew when they told you ahead of time. lmao

May I see your prognostications?

You saw them. I told you this would end just like every other back up QB that the fans were convinced would be an improvement. It did and it will continue to.

Everybody who reads this board saw it. So there's no sense trying to say that nobody knows or nobody knew. I've seen this same movie for 15 years now. There's not suddenly going to be a new ending.

I know it gets frustrating when the worst case scenario keeps happening. But I would figure fans should be learning how it ends by now. If not? Shame on them, but it won't be shame on me.

j/c

So HOGAN had a subpar game and some here seen enough pfffft KIZER had 5 bad games and your positive HOGAN aint the guy and some still have faith in KIZER WOW

I just don't think it makes any difference in the outcome of the game no matter which one starts. I've seen zero evidence that indicates that it will.