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lol ok you might be right on that one. But he did look better before Gordon came back...was hard to watch that.

I've been thinking Hogan is a lot like Hoyer for some time now, but with a stronger arm. As for the 2014 season, he was great until we lost Mack for the season. I don't think we won another game after that.

edited to add; I remember NFL or ESPN commentators, about mid-season, joking that it was time to break up the Browns.

I remember group texting a bunch of people [especially Steeler fans] after we beat Atlanta that year to move to 7 and 4. I said: "The Browns are back, baby!"

I think we're 4 and 38 since that text.

j/c

This entire scenario reminds me of the last time the fan base fell in love with a back up with the same initials. Kelly Holcomb.

PURE MAYHEM BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!

Knows how to win.

How many games has he won?

Hogan certainly looks the part (6-foot-4, 218), has football genes in his family (close relatives played at Navy, Arizona, and Notre Dame), has won a lot of games (36-10 as a starter), and possesses the athleticism to be effective running the zone read (85 carries, 336 yards, six touchdowns in 2015) at that size.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/kevin-hogan?id=2555263

Yet the two situations are entirely different.

To some degree yes and to some degree no.

Browns fans have always fell in love with the back up QB's. They see them in limited action and go gah, gah, over them. They often look at only the best case scenario and say things like, "Who's to say he's not the answer?", "But in the time he's played, he scores."

Then, when other teams get some film on them and spot their weaknesses, exploit those weaknesses and we see them for what they really are, those bubbles are quickly burst.

I've seen this same movie over and over again since 1999. I hope this time when I sit in the theater and watch the same old movie that someone has written a different ending and replaced it with a new scene. But I'm not holding my breath.

QB Kevin Hogan's stats in 2 games:

- 26/38 passing - 68.4%
- 377 yards
- 3 touchdowns
- 2 interceptions
- QBR: 104.8
- 2 sacks

I understand your frustration, and you're right in that the untested backup usually seems to be the guy fans want most when things start to go south. However, I don't think anyone here believes Hogan is the be-all end-all, just that he deserves a shot at stabilizing the team and working to win the position. Whether he can do that or not remains to be seen, and you're right, that all might change if defenses adjust or if he simply fails to perform. But replacing a faltering rookie with a second year backup is much different than the Couch/Holcomb scenario.

I understand why he's getting his shot. Kizer hasn't been performing and Hue has to try something. And look, I hope things work out differently than the last, what seems like 3,247 times we've done this. lol

Nobody wants to see our team do well any more than I do. And I didn't mean to make my comments on the expectations of some be geared towards you. But I have seen what I view as very high expectations on the part of some posters.

And I do think we view this situation a little differently. I see it as our starter is faltering and the fan base, at least some of them, are getting high expectations on a back up QB. Now we can discess where or how this happened. But the scenario seems a lot like so many before.

Now you can parse the situation talking about how the situation came about, where the players were drafted, etc..... But the end result, to this point has been that the starter was benched and the results were always the same.

So you're the one to blame.....

Hope springs eternal.

Damn I wasn’t aware dude was 6’4

Hogan has looked better no doubt. He does remind me of Hoyer as someone pointed out in the thread. If he can get us some wins, let's see how he does over a prolonged period. I just want an answer. It doesn't have to be what I want or what I thought. Just right.

LOL........I know it's crazy, but I am not going to start bragging if we ever start playing well.

Yep. I posted this in another thread or two, it's what I like to refer to as the Kelly Holcomb effect.

Well Kelly was much better than Timid, so there's that.

Yet it worked out about the same. lol

Foge Fazio

I see a Cousins in him. Good arm, but not great, but a baller.

He plays to win.

j/c:

I see a QB that has tried to shorten his delivery, has almost as much rush yardage equity as Kizer, and clearly has a better release time.

We'll see Sunday.

This is not going to end well, is it?

Has it started well?

When was the last time it was "well?"

The year was 1989 and Bernie was our QB.....

1994 and Testeverde was our QB...or was 1993?

I was about to say 1964 and Frank Ryan was our Quarterback.. lol

I am just saying people's expectations for Hogan are already out of whack. He is, most likely, not a savior. He is just not going to be the worst QB in the league the way Kizer was.

The last time things were going well was when we beat the Falcons during Pettine's first year (because Mike Smith horribly mismanaged the clock). It's been literally the worst since then (and for most of the time before that season).

I guess when you are horrible for so long you have to try and talk yourself into things being good. This week it is Kevin Hogan and the defense is not bad.

You're right, and maybe hogan will be the next QB to disappoint us.... But I see some good things in him. Smart, accurate, composed, has awareness.

Well it seems throwing a rookie like Kitzer in could had been a pretty bad mistake. Just hope Kizer will learn from the sidelines and grow.

Personally I think I'd rather focus on developing Hogan, he's essentially a rookie and is showing a ton of upside.

I'd like to develop a QB that can win a game. Hogan might be it. Given the amount of time Kizer appears to need as our next project, might be some chance with Hogan. I do not care who wins us games; go, Browns!

I don't know how it can get any worse...I guess it could....we could be 0-21 over the last two seasons.

Hue was pretty patient with Kizer. Now he needs to do the same with Hogan the next 4-5 games. See what he brings. If nothing, go back to Kizer the last 5-6 games to see if the off time did him any good.

I hope Jimmy was in on the meetings when Watson was being discussed. He needs to know the who and why's because something isn't clicking with our QB selection process.

I wasn't a big advocate for either Wentz or Watson, though I wasn't against them. I am not paid to make those decisions or considered expert enough to make those calls.

Being a Browns fan is supposed to be fun....no??

What's going to happen if Hogan goes all "DA in the 1st Cincy game" on us?

The fans will demand that BQ starts???

Not sure what you are talking about.

I like Anderson...at least we won some games.