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Hue deserves a F. The FO deserves a F. The players deserve a F.


Time to start over.

Hogan sucked ass, but he really didn't hold the ball too long. In fact, he came out and was throwing the ball on time right off the bat.

His accuracy on the other hand........I yi yi yi!

I'm pretty shocked that Hue didn't call that many RPOs to help Hogan establish a rhythm or to create a mismatch.

Hogan's throwing motion really started to unravel during that game.

At this stage, it don't appear to matter who starts the rest of the season. The QB to help us win, which is clear - decent QB play can move this offense and etc (granted Houston was torn by injuries) but that QB is not here. He's not on our roster.

Hogan's accuracy is just as bad as Kizer's. If we could take Kizer's arm, Kessler's accuracy and Hogan's mind and combine it into one QB, we may have something. We need to invest more in science.

We don't have a qb on the roster who has won a single game.

The QB position was a huge weakness coming into the season and it looks even worse now.


This FO has not done well in choosing qbs.

And what’s worse is we have no other choice but to hope they get it right in 2018

Yep.

Feeling confident? LOL

I agree with the way he started. But as the game wore on he started to hold the ball longer and longer.

When throwing 10+ yards in the air, #Browns QB Kevin Hogan completed 2 of 12 for 33 yards and 2 INTs.

https://twitter.com/PFF_JohnKosko/status/919723644930097152

Is that bad? That seems bad.

I thought Kizer was the worst QB we've started since 1999, then Hogan gave him a run for his money.

We are so screwed.

For real though, we shouldn't judge Hogan off of one bad game (we also may not have the choice).

What, no "hold my beer" jokes?

Sign Kap, he would be a major upgrade.

*Here hold my beer* I got an Idea

Hogan plays better as a backup. Next week I say we Start Jamie Meder at QB We run a QB sneak up the middle for our first play of the game then switch to the backup QB. Problem solved

*Grabs my beer back*

The conspiracy theorists are being proven right with the Browns QB situation.

Kap would probably be an upgrade.

At least the anthem at our games would make the highlight shows.

U mean that our QB situation is so bad it clearly proves that Kap has made himself untouchable for business reasons ... u needed our qb situation to tell u that? ...

These are balls that traveled 10 yards or are these the passes where he sailed the passes 10+ yards over the WRs' heads?

Bringing in Kap would make the dumpster fire even more fueled and crispy. I think this is one aspect of moneyball. Put the crappiest product on the field and make the fans start wondering why they root for this joke.

I don't get the strategy in it, but I'm sure there's one somewhere.

I am judging him because the times he played well was all garbage time. When he started and was actually being pressured by a DEF that has prepped for him, it showed his vulnerabilities. He has good vision, good knowledge of the game, but has a poor arm, inaccurate, and then makes bad decisions.

This seems very strange to me. He's been accurate in the past, so what went wrong? Was it adrenaline? Did his mechanics suddenly go to crap? Was he thinking the routes were going deeper? Were the receivers not going deep enough? is there anything you saw that might give a clue as to why he failed so totally and so miserable after showing poise and accuracy in his previous outings?

On the positive side, the receivers did a good job catching the ball when it was thrown to them accurately.

Pittsburgh does this very well with AB, the difference is when we do it, we fail to have anyone on that side of the field to block. They usually do it running trips and have blockers for him.

Hogan has an awkward hitch in his throw, I think it has to do with that. Most of the throws that were off, was him muscling the ball as well. He has a weak arm, and on those throws you can really see him trying to muster it in there, thus forcing inaccurate throw.

I don't think its something you can fix with Hogan, he just lacks the talent.

Yeah, this is a ridiculous part of Hue's game calling. I mean WTF? Also, every ball thrown seems to be designed to carry the receiver out of bounds. How about hitting a guy in stride once in a while? How about a freaking eight yard pass over the middle, that travels eight yards, take a second to get there, allows the WR to run away from the defender so he's open, then allows him to run away with the ball because he catches it on the move and can turn up field. Most of what we've seen is bull$#!%.

When your overthrowing you WR every pass, you don't want to go over the middle.

Throw to the sideline and if its overthrown it will go out of bounds instead of in the DB hands.

Really? Then how did those three INTs along the sideline end up in the DBs hands?

I'm not really sure, Cal. If I remember correctly, he came out and was fairly accurate. He threw some outs and comebacks on the money.

Then, he sailed that pick 6 and he went to hell.

I didn't really study his mechanics because I admittedly got frustrated w/the whole "here we go again" mindset. It wears on me.

It appeared that once he threw that first pick, that he began guiding the ball and that he lost confidence. Bad combination. I am not sure that is what happened, but it seemed that way.

That's a bit surprising because he had such a stellar reputation for being strong-minded and being a leader in college.

I think we should probably roll w/him next week. It could be a case of the game getting away from him in his first start.

Here is what galls me: We knowingly went into a season w/three QBs who have never won a game in the NFL. That is almost hard to believe. It doesn't sound very intelligent to me and it should probably be a bigger topic of conversation.

The pick 6 wasn't to the sideline. The other pick was bad decision (overthrew duke who was blanketed). The third pick I believe was a curl route - which was overthrown.

obviously you answered your own question. You asked why we throw to the sideline all the time. we were not doing that until he threw 3 picks !!

+1 on THIS

They knew from day one they were gong to have to start Kizer, who WE ALL knew needed to sit. The FO made the bed, Jackson is just napping in it, and we the fans get left with the sweaty pee stained sheets after watching this nightmare.

I can't remember the third one but the first two were out patterns. The first wasn't quite to the sideline, but it was an out pattern. The second was definitely to the sideline, he under threw Duke.

You can see them here.

My point is, these are harder passes to catch (and throw) than crossing and slant patterns. Hues needs to start thinking in terms of setting his QBs up for success instead of insisting they "run his offense".

Always had crap mechanics in college though. Always led to him being very erratic. His mechanics definitely slipped a lot in that game. However, some of the ints aren't entirely on him. The first one is, absolutely. The second one, was a combination of Bitonio being pushed back into Hogan during the throw, knocking Hogan down, and their LB putting his hand in just the right spot for the ball, when he was just hand mirroring Duke. The last one was on Coates. Lazy route running against Jonathan Joseph. Can't have that. Gotta cut Coates tbh. We got burned on that one.

We should continue to give Hogan the start. At least until bye week. See how it goes. That defense, despite not having JJ and Mercelius, is still a top 3 NFL defense. They're a nasty group of men. Very fun to watch.

I didn't notice Bitonio getting pushed back until you mentioned it. Good catch. Not being able to fully step into the throw certainly helped make that ball fall short.

He was sailing throws well before the pick 6. I kept thinking to myself he needs to settle down because he's going to airmail one for an interception... or two... or three...


I don't know what was up with Hogan. When he came into the second half last week vs the Jets, it wasn't garbage time. We were trailing only 3-0.

I don't like to think this is the best we'll see from Hogan.

His throws were definitely off. I can understand 1 or 3 bad throws but man it was like he forgot how to throw the football all of a sudden. Could have been any number of reasons but will Hue give him a chance to redeem himself? No idea. Another game like that one and his career could be over after this season.

Already saying he's leaning towards Kizer. Guess we'll know Weds, his usual day to announce QB starter lol.

I don't think we'll see Hogan again unless Kizer gets injured.

j/c

I'm simply not sure what people expected.

Once again the fans thought a relief pitcher should be a starter. Once again the back up QB became the most popular player on the roster and once again.... You get the picture.