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bed ridden at home so not on here...What I saw was we finally got the right QB playing and Joe Thomas goes down. Wasnt long that they just attacked our left side...Kessler did not have a chance n our win slipped out of our hands.

Defense played great. Love B B C Kindred n Schobert had excellent games.
The kid Gonzalez came through with a 54 yarder at regulation end.

Hue why didnt you take the facemask penalty?

What happened to our big WR Williams#82...was he out cause Britt was in. Crowd cheered when he got hurt. Not classy but my wife was saying GOOD!

This game hurt the most cause if Joe Thomas' injury and the costly effect it had...and cause it was Joe Thomas...torn Tricep...was hoping an elbow hyperextension...sad

Sorry back to bed for me.


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I saw the same thing as every other game. But I'm only posting here to wish you a speedy recovery. God Bless.

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Could someone explain the face mask penalty hue declined?


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Get well soon eo. When Joe went down the pressure really came from the left side.


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Originally Posted By: lampdogg
Could someone explain the face mask penalty hue declined?


If the penalty were accepted, Tennessee would have had a 3rd and 16 way out of FG range. Declining the penalty gave them a 4th and 1, which they converted and put themselves into FG range.


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It was 3rd and 1 at our 32 yard line and Mariota threw an incomplete pass to make it a 4th and 1. If Hue takes the penalty it makes it 3rd down again but it takes the Titans out of FG range (would have been 3rd and 16 from our 47yd line). Hue had to know that even though it was 4th down that being that close to our end zone that Tennessee would either go for it or kick the FG because a punt did nothing for them so the smart thing to due was take the penalty and hope you can stop them on 3rd and 16


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Originally Posted By: lampdogg
Could someone explain the face mask penalty hue declined?


The guy is a idiot and doesn't understand game situations?


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Well what I see is that the Browns are a young team that plays hard but make mistakes. Also, we have QB problems and no real WRs. And once JT went out, Tennessee put so much pressure on our left side, it changed the structure of the rest of the game.

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Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
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Could someone explain the face mask penalty hue declined?


The guy is a idiot and doesn't understand game situations?


I think it was the right call.

He declined it because that made it 4th down. You are conceding the FG either from that point or further back, but if he accepted the penalty, the Titans were going to get another chance to get a first down.

That's my recollection at least.

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I'm split on his decision. I can see it both ways...


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Originally Posted By: Rishuz
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Originally Posted By: lampdogg
Could someone explain the face mask penalty hue declined?


The guy is a idiot and doesn't understand game situations?


I think it was the right call.

He declined it because that made it 4th down. You are conceding the FG either from that point or further back, but if he accepted the penalty, the Titans were going to get another chance to get a first down.

That's my recollection at least.



You have to back up in that situation. The ball was at our 32yd line so Tennessee was either going to kick a 49yd FG or go for it. By taking the penalty if you stop them on 3rd down it would have been either a 60+ yd FG or Tennessee would probably have punted being just over mid field.


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the declining of the facemask penalty was perhaps the dumbest decision he's ever made


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I saw a lot of really really good things ...

Lets just start with Hue and get this out of the way ...

He had by far his best day of the year IMO in play calling and it wasn’t even close ...

- he FINALLY PROTECTED his rookie qb ... he called a ton of quick developing passes for him ..

- he stuck with the run ...

- he utilized Duke as he should be ...

I’m not going to get into the penalty he declined ... or benching Kizer ... plenty of time to talk about that later ..

CK came in and looked good until Joe got hurt ... then the wheels came off ... if Joe doesn’t get hurt I truely believe we win ...

- run D played great ...

- Mariota looked out of sync .. it appeared to me that Tenn overlooked us ... our D payed really well but Tenn appeared to be just going through the motions ..

- Gonzo hits a 54 yard kick under pressure ... big time kick ...

- too many f’n penalties ..

It sucks Joe got hurt ... it sucks we lost .. BUT I SAW ALOT OF GOOD THINGS THIS WEEK starting with Hue FINALLY PROTECTING his rookie qb ..




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I also saw a hell of a lot of empty seats ...




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Is this a What I Saw thread or another Bash Hue thread?

I want to post on what I saw, but I did last week and didn't get one response. Just a lot of bitching and moaning.

Let me know if anyone wants to talk about the entire game and not just the same old crap about playing the blame game w/Hue.

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Is this a What I Saw thread or another Bash Hue thread?

I want to post on what I saw, but I did last week and didn't get one response. Just a lot of bitching and moaning.

Let me know if anyone wants to talk about the entire game and not just the same old crap about playing the blame game w/Hue.


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I saw a lot of really really good things ...

Lets just start with Hue and get this out of the way ...

He had by far his best day of the year IMO in play calling and it wasn’t even close ...

- he FINALLY PROTECTED his rookie qb ... he called a ton of quick developing passes for him ..

- he stuck with the run ...

- he utilized Duke as he should be ...

I’m not going to get into the penalty he declined ... or benching Kizer ... plenty of time to talk about that later ..

CK came in and looked good until Joe got hurt ... then the wheels came off ... if Joe doesn’t get hurt I truely believe we win ...

- run D played great ...

- Mariota looked out of sync .. it appeared to me that Tenn overlooked us ... our D payed really well but Tenn appeared to be just going through the motions ..

- Gonzo hits a 54 yard kick under pressure ... big time kick ...

- too many f’n penalties ..

It sucks Joe got hurt ... it sucks we lost .. BUT I SAW ALOT OF GOOD THINGS THIS WEEK starting with Hue FINALLY PROTECTING his rookie qb ..




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I did.

Yes, that was a good post.

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
I did.

Yes, that was a good post.


Well .. please share ...

I seriously saw a lot of positives today ...

I forgot to mention Treggs ... he seems to be our one WR that can actually catch ... thats not fair to Higgins ... i think he only has one drop this year ..

Anyhow .. please share ...




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i saw alot of dropped balls. funny the other team doesnt drop our qbs balls..


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Alright Diam:

--I saw a lot more screens and quick pass plays to the middle of the field today.

--I thought we used Crow and Duke well. Mix and matching them.

--The D did a great job of shutting down the Titan's run game.

--Our coverage looked better w/out Peppers in there.

--Myles struggled against a few double teams, but Lewan gave Myles all he wanted and more.

--Kirksey was pretty active and did good in coverage.

--Kindred is good going downhill and against the run. Has no clue in pass defense.

--BBC is a flasher/slasher type who is fearless throwing his body around. I like his potential.

--S. Coleman struggled.

--We don't have a back up LT and that is why I thought it was a mistake to trade Cam for a 5th. I also wish we would have kept Greco.

--I thought Kize looked pretty good, but air mailed the second pick. I would not have benched him.

--Kessler looked pretty good. Similar to when Hogan replaced Kize earlier in the year.

--I am not seeing Zeitler as all that.

--Jamie Collins is a physical freak, but he isn't doing much.

--Louis dropped another pass. I've seen him drop at least 6 this year and I don't care what the stats say.

--Britt was hurt every time he didn't catch a pass. LOL

--DeValve has some skills.

--Gonzalez had the ugliest best kick ever. LOL

--Guys played hard. Losing Joe really, really hurt. I think we would have won if he was in there. I hate speculating like that, but man, it changed things big time.

--I saw..............Progress.

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I noticed Britt was hurt after every drop as well.

I think from an establishing culture standpoint, I would cut him. Especially adding the missed curfew on top of that.

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I saw a team thats going nowhere for a long friggen time. We all knew it would be slow but this is not even progressing. I saw our number 1 overall pick get shut down by a real left tackle. I saw Garrett loose contain on a QB with a bad hammy. I saw STUPID offsides on critical plays by guys standing over the ball. Teams know all they have to do on 4th and less than five is come out and pretend like they are actually going to hike the ball so we can give them a first down. I saw zero progress in our search for a QB to at least look like hes played football in the past. With Joe gone we will probably see all 3 scrub QBs come and go the rest of the year in between getting crushed everytime they take a 3 step drop. Management made their bed with the picks they had and I for one dont trust them to pick again next year.

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Thanks for sharing .... appreciatte it ....




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Did Britt drop one in OT?


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Originally Posted By: Rishuz
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Originally Posted By: lampdogg
Could someone explain the face mask penalty hue declined?


The guy is a idiot and doesn't understand game situations?


I think it was the right call.

He declined it because that made it 4th down. You are conceding the FG either from that point or further back, but if he accepted the penalty, the Titans were going to get another chance to get a first down.

That's my recollection at least.

The only way declining the penalty makes sense is if you don't trust your defense to prevent them from picking up a 3rd and 16... either that or Hue was confused on what the actual game situation was.


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Good post Vers...

I saw Kizer air mail the first INT when the WR was pretty open.. the second one, on the roll out, he stared down the second level receiver so bad that the defender covering the guy in the flat left him there and got in the throwing lane. Overall though, I thought he looked better and I really didn't it coming for him to get benched. Felt like a panic move on Hue's part.

Kessler also looked pretty good until he overthrew for an INT as well. It's obvious he doesn't have the arm strength but he anticipates well and he's more accurate. he did make a couple touch throws that Kizer just can't make yet. His drive off our own 1 yard line for a FG was huge...

One thing that I saw was Kessler finding guys downfield that Kizer never seems to find. I'm assuming they are there when Kizer is in too... Hopefully he is learning...

Other than a couple really stupid off-sides penalties that gave the Titans first downs, I thought the defense played pretty darn well. I mean, we gave up 9 points in regulation and forced a turnover for points... you can't ask much more of your defense than that.

I think Crow and Duke are fine.. not elite but certainly not a big part of the problem... too many negative plays..

Our WRs are just subpar, especially with Coleman out...


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Originally Posted By: DCDAWGFAN
Originally Posted By: Rishuz
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Could someone explain the face mask penalty hue declined?


The guy is a idiot and doesn't understand game situations?


I think it was the right call.

He declined it because that made it 4th down. You are conceding the FG either from that point or further back, but if he accepted the penalty, the Titans were going to get another chance to get a first down.

That's my recollection at least.

The only way declining the penalty makes sense is if you don't trust your defense to prevent them from picking up a 3rd and 16... either that or Hue was confused on what the actual game situation was.


thats what i thought. they would probebly get it, lol


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Originally Posted By: Rishuz
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Could someone explain the face mask penalty hue declined?


The guy is a idiot and doesn't understand game situations?


I think it was the right call.

He declined it because that made it 4th down. You are conceding the FG either from that point or further back, but if he accepted the penalty, the Titans were going to get another chance to get a first down.

That's my recollection at least.


You recall correctly. As soon as we declined I knew they were going to go for it.

My thinking is why concede 3 points. Get them out of FG range and hold them.

If you are worried they might make a 1st down from 16 yards. why in the hell would you not be worried about them being able to go for it and make 1 yard?


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Originally Posted By: DiamDawg
I saw a lot of really really good things ...

Lets just start with Hue and get this out of the way ...

He had by far his best day of the year IMO in play calling and it wasn’t even close ...

- he FINALLY PROTECTED his rookie qb ... he called a ton of quick developing passes for him ..

- he stuck with the run ...

- he utilized Duke as he should be ...

I’m not going to get into the penalty he declined ... or benching Kizer ... plenty of time to talk about that later ..

CK came in and looked good until Joe got hurt ... then the wheels came off ... if Joe doesn’t get hurt I truely believe we win ...

- run D played great ...

- Mariota looked out of sync .. it appeared to me that Tenn overlooked us ... our D payed really well but Tenn appeared to be just going through the motions ..

- Gonzo hits a 54 yard kick under pressure ... big time kick ...

- too many f’n penalties ..

It sucks Joe got hurt ... it sucks we lost .. BUT I SAW ALOT OF GOOD THINGS THIS WEEK starting with Hue FINALLY PROTECTING his rookie qb ..





Loved the rhythm we had early offensively. Kizer looked alot more comfortable getting the ball out quicker. Duke is a STUD. So too will be Njoku.

I saw what I wanted to see out of this Defense this year. WE AGAIN CONTROLLED A RUNNING GAME. This is HUGE going forward.

It's OBVIOUS what we need going into next year.

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Hope you bounce back soon Tab.

- Gut wrench moment to see Thomas get hurt and have his amazing record of plays snapped. Just sickening. He's simply an awesome player and a Browns Legend forever.

- I saw a better O scheme early that helped out a rookie QB. And I saw a QB able to do well in that fairly limited capacity/role.

- Better commitment to the run and some success there too. Crow had a better game than recently but I still think Duke is the more explosive play maker

- I saw more drops from Louis. Sorry, he's not dynamic or great enough to let those drive killing drops go .... Edwards dropped plenty but then he'd light it up on another 3 or 4 plays most games so you put up with the drops. I just don't see the upside with Louis.

- Treggs, Devalve and Njoku all flashed a little, I'd say they form a small core to build on.

- Saw Kessler come in and play make some excellent throws and move the ball well.

- OL and pressure went to hell once Thomas was out of the game. I truly find it mind-boggling that once Thomas was out of the game and the left side of the line collapsed that posters want to crucify Kessler for his play at that point. Dude had no chance and neither would any other QB in the NFL past or present.

- Defense shut down one of the NFL's best running back duo's ... I think this was a game where I finally want to buy into the teams ability to stop the run as being legitimate.

- Pass coverage looked a little better too - and part of me thinks that's because the Titans aren't all that good. But considering McCourty was out - still there is a little encouragement to be taken.

- Biggest negatives and the issues I have with the coaching for this game: [1] Penalties. Absolutely embarrassing and it's on the coaching staff. Every other regime we've had and the penalties were chronic I blamed the HC and I am not stopping now .... it's on Hue and his staff to coach the team better. Most teams aren't good enough to keep giving away 3 or 4 free 3rd downs a game and we are most definitely not. [2] Another questionable decision when Hue declined the the penalty giving the Titans a 4th and 1 and an easy decision to go for it based on field position. . . . I do understand that the call is sort of 50-50. I would have taken the penalty and said so at the time before they even knew they were going for the 4th down conversion .... the point is - Hue continually makes 'questionable' calls in these types of situations and he has not once called it right. It seems like every post game - we're talking about the 50-50 call he made and he got it wrong AGAIN. Once instance isn't damning but anyone denying there isn't a pattern of making the wrong call in these situations is in denial.

- it hurt to lose but there was more positives than negatives for the most part. Losing Thomas might totally destroy any chance of winning a game this year though.



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I think I saw that Kizer isnt' the answer... at least not yet. I'm not sure ever.

Hope Joe is going to be OK

I did think that Kessler showed more arm... Was that just my imagination?


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New York state is making it impossible to get pain pills...according to them I am a drug addict. Finally got some so downstairs on my computer. Thanks for the well wishes.

Looked like we gave Kizer one read and then check down. He looked ok in those early series. Then he seemed to slip into his old self...Made the costly INTs. After the 2nd one in the 3rd qtr, I'm like we got to make the switch and I didn't really think Hue would do it...was proud of him for his decision...lets win this.

Kessler made 2 excellent deep throws to Njoku...perfectly placed with touch.

Kizer throws fastball after fastball absolutely no touch at all. I saw we were near the goal line and I'm like who is that on the right looks like he has one on one...it was Njoku...I'm like GREAT come on just throw an ally oop this kid has gops and will out grab anyone for this ball. Kizer throws the Corner fade with too much velocity and out of the endzone as Njoku dives for the ball rather than JUMPS for the snatch.

Saw Devalve make a great YAC to get an important first down.

Hue on the not taking the penalty in his presser said he thought they were going to kick the FG. I don't know I thought it was quite obvious...just confused about it more than it being such a negative. Cause it was a 15 yard penalty not 10.

Mariota...sucks if you ask me...almost as inaccurate as Kizer.

I said Kindred above I meant Kirksey...thought he had an excellent game.

How can we have so many Defensive offsides with obvious hard count situation and from the guys who are right over the BALL!
I know we discipline them by taking them out after each one but that didn't stop it. Got to make those guys run gassers that will stop it.

Once Joe went down...Kessler had to start running to the right almost immediately. Was hoping for a Screen to the left to maybe slow the rush down as they were sending two on that side.

Talk about Shark smelling blood.

Lewan was a beast...one of the best jobs I have seen. And he sucked his first year - goes to show you how you cannot over judge these young players.

Classy of Lewan to run up to Joe Thomas and tap him on his back as Joe was walking off the field. Joe didn't realize it until later and tweeted Lewan to thank him.

For those who would say why have JOE as we lose with him...hope you realize how important he is to our Run and Pass game.
Now everyone is just going to attack that side relentlessly. Hope this kid Banner has some game...

Good flow by the O this week...such a difference when you go 3 n out a lot this time we were moving the ball. Taking a lot of short stuff. Using our RBs in the pass game was key. Even Vitale made a good catch and run.

WRs were open like they have been all year.

Louis got a fast ball right in his chest from Kizer...got to catch those although it is indicative of a chatchable ball.

Garrett I thought played the run real well as did the entire team...Titans were supposedly the best running team in the NFL. Good job Williams.

Thanks for the What I saw guys. Sorry I didn't see the Bash Hue posts that you did. Just some discussion on the Not take the penalty situation and one or two that were emotional which always happens after a loss.

Stadiums were empty all over the NFL as they continue to protest and it will definitely effect the cap allotment in the long run. Hope the Player association realizes this...they strike next year...NFL football as our national pastime will be over.


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Here is what I saw and some thoughts

1. Our defense had its best game of the season. They really played well, especially banged up. I will say one thing, no matter what you say about Hue, this team does seem to play for him, we just lack talent.

? Why is the world is BBC not starting over Taylor? IMO he is our best corner and lays wood.

2. We do not have a starting caliber NFL qb on this roster. Kizer started out well (due to Hues playcalling actually) you have QBs who are struggling, so they tried to simplify and go with check downs. It seemed like he was getting in rhythm - well until the pick in the redzone. I saw that coming a mile away - it frightens me he did not. Kessler came in and played really well to start out, hit some nice touch passes down field too. You can see he is accurate, but you can see as well he just doesn't have the physical tools. And of course he throws a pick in the redzone as well. . . . .

3. I am not one to complain about the refs, - really am not. But this was just a horrible called game and seemed one sided to me. Don't get me wrong, our offsides were blatent, but the pick penalty on higgens was garbage, I saw multiple times MG facemask was being pulled, grabbed etc, no call. He was also being help multiple times. They went the entire without a penalty called - not for a lack of committing penalties IMO.

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Didn't see the game but from what I understand is;

The god awful FO. that drafted a god awful QB .that chose a god awful coach, on a god awful team. that has no chance to compete at an NFL level. IMHO

Should've had TRIBISKY and Watt

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Originally Posted By: Riley01
J\C

Didn't see the game but from what I understand is;

The god awful FO. that drafted a god awful QB .that chose a god awful coach, on a god awful team. that has no chance to compete at an NFL level. IMHO

Should've had TRIBISKY and Watt
ummm Myles Garett is a beast.....

and I rather Watson over tribisky

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Could someone explain the face mask penalty hue declined?


The guy is a idiot and doesn't understand game situations?


I'm pretty sure it was a 5 yard "illegal hands to the face" penalty, not a 15 yard face mask. Thats why I agreed with the decision.




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Originally Posted By: KashDawg
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Could someone explain the face mask penalty hue declined?


The guy is a idiot and doesn't understand game situations?


I'm pretty sure it was a 5 yard "illegal hands to the face" penalty, not a 15 yard face mask. Thats why I agreed with the decision.


It was a 15 yard personal foul penalty.

Hue figured they had a kicker who has made 51 straight (at that time) FG and they would kick the ball there. They decided to go for it which surprised me as well.

one of those situations your damned if you do and if you don't. If we don't give them the first down, and stuff them, its a great call to not accept the penalty.

however the fact remains, regardless of the call that was made they only got three, which was what they would have had either way. so it really wasn't a big deal IMO.

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I think it makes a difference - because it was another play call and game situation that Hue misread, and I think it's a trend. I am not for firing Hue - but he needs to own his errors. Or - he needs to own his history of 50-50 calls that seem to have always turned out wrong.... I also think it makes a difference because the penalty puts them out of FG range and you have a good opportunity to stop them on a 3rd and 16... come out of it with no points given up. jmo.


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Hope the meds help !

I forgot to mention Kirksey and even more so Schobert .... I thought Schobert had his best game as a Brown. He surprised a lot of us when he moved to MLB - and he flaashed but he also missed some plays with poor coverage ... vs the Titans I thought he played a great game in all aspects of the position.

It's probably too soon to say I am a disappointed with Collins - the guy has so much physical ability and I thought in GW's defense he would stud out but we really haven't seen much of him making big plays .... he missed 2 (or more?) games and I will wait to see how the secondary levels out, but man you think that Collins should really be flashing some big plays a lot more.


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Originally Posted By: mgh888
I think it makes a difference - because it was another play call and game situation that Hue misread, and I think it's a trend. I am not for firing Hue - but he needs to own his errors. Or - he needs to own his history of 50-50 calls that seem to have always turned out wrong.... I also think it makes a difference because the penalty puts them out of FG range and you have a good opportunity to stop them on a 3rd and 16... come out of it with no points given up. jmo.
So you want him to read minds then? Everyone figured they would kick the fg. it was more a shock they didn't than him declining the penalty. Seems to me you just don't like hue and are looking for ways to criticize, trust me, there is plenty to criticize, but this really isn't one. I don't believe it would have put them out of FG range, especially if they picked up a first down on that 3rd down play - see, we can assume all sorts of things, but the fact remains he played the percentages (of them not going for it). It wasn't a gamble. I think its one of those things if you took the penalty it wasn't bad and if you didn't take it wasn't bad call.

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