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Garrett was up against Lewan a Probowl Left Tackle.
He got schooled early but seemed to learn w/ every encounter.
There was a great shot, late in the game, of Lewan and MG smiling at each other after battling to a draw. Lewan tracked him down after the game and congratulated him

And though a gimme... MG got his 4th Sack.

D looked like they came to play.
Gave up no touchdowns!
Stuffed the running game.
Some great downfield pass breakups.
Kirksey, Schobert, Boddy, Kindred looked solid.

Gonzalez had a monster game! 54 Yard hit was Great!
Glad to see him fight through the Yips!

Duke and looks more like a Probowler each game.

Roster is what it is... Penalties can not be excused.

I've mention Coughlin before, more as a football exec for us, in a Parcells or Accorsi role. Have you watched the offense this year, you want to keep Hue as an OC..lol, I'd think i'd give mo carthon a ring before that, besides I don't think i've ever heard of a HC getting demoted on the same team.. that would be awkward for sure

I'm leaning more towards no. However, I rewatched the game yesterday and I don't think they should have benched him.

-Kessler had a good game until the very end.

-Joe Thomas being injured might make our O line hazardous for our QB's, but we shall see (sighs). Their D tore us up at the very end.

-The Titans receivers are like ours are, not very good at all... And we STILL lost.

I thought Kizer deserved to be bench for WAY worse than he was actually benched yesterday. IMO, he played pretty well ... until the TOs.

It was almost like Hue found out about his Friday night midway through the game lol.

That was a brutal loss yesterday. Just amazing that we all keep coming back asking for more.

I think Deshone Kizer has shown that he isn't ready to be a starter yet. He's not even ready to just start and take his lumps. He's holding the rest of the team back.

I was all for letting him play and develop, and living with the good and the bad, but he's literally a turnover waiting to happen, if we're lucky enough to get on the opponent's side of the field. Once the safeties don't have to worry about the deep stuff, the defense can tighten up everything and that's where he's struggling.

Don't give up on the guy. I think a good offseason and another training camp could do him wonders. He really needs to work on his accuracy, which is a weakness he had in college. He's a talented kid, but has a long road ahead of him. For now, I think the right move is to let Kessler start the rest of the year.

It's really annoying to see the complete and total lack of discipline on this team. Good plays wiped out by stupid penalties, guys dropping well thrown passes. Guys stepping into the neutral zone early on 3rd and short, 4th and short plays. It's embarrassing. I understand we're not a good team, we're certainly not in any playoff conversation, but it is not too much to ask that this team plays hard, disciplined, scrappy football. They still see themselves as a peer of every other team in the league, and they don't get it. They are going to have to work harder if they really want to compete.

I kind of want to have Greg Williams' back a little bit. I'm disappointed overall with the defense, just like everyone else, but they've also only had a lead at any point this season for just a few actual game minutes. Really hard to put teams in obvious positions where your pass rushers can eat, and the secondary can cheat a little bit. With all that said, I hate the way our defense gives up chunk yards on first down, and that's something that should be better, regardless of how many leads you've had.

I can't believe they continue to roll Kenny Britt out. I've seen enough. Please stop. Put someone out there that actually cares. Please don't sign another veteran until you have a well-established offense with a legitimate quarterback.

Terry McAulay's crew really screwed us with that phantom OPI call late in the 4th quarter. Kessler had just completed a pass for a first down, and the Browns seemed to be building something. There was no rub, and even if there was, that play is allowed way more times than it's not.

Congrats to Joe Thomas on one hell of a streak. I hope he's ok, but it sounds like he may be lost for the year.

I don't know what they are going to do at LT for the time being, but Spencer Drango was not the answer. Kessler was seeing heat from both sides.

This is going to be a horrible rest of the season.

Happy birthday!

Why are you upset with Gregg Williams???

You realize we have the worst offense in the league, yet our opponets have gained fewer first downs against us than our opponets have....138 FD for the Browns Oppoents 129

Our defense has also give up 1 less total yard than our offense has gained.....WE HAVE A HORRIBLE OFFENSE so we are making teams horrible it seems. 2134 total yards for us, 2133 against

we have given up less rushing than we have gained as well, our rushing game has been NON EXISTANT 646 rushing yards for us 586 against us ***you know what else is crazy about that state, they have rushed the ball 30+ more times against us than we have rushed the ball.

The difference is we have given up 20 TD and only have 12....Well there you go the def has given up 20 TD!!! Well how many of those TD came from short fields off turnovers??????

Our defense has been pretty dang awesome if you really look at it. JMO

Did you even read my post?

thank you sir!

Kizer has a great rocket pass but I think he came as advertised, as someone else posted, and he's doing about that good, or bad, depending on how once sees it.

He's only 21. He has a lot of time to learn especially with good coaching.

tons of room to improve. Probably should have stayed in school another year.

I think if he really puts the work in the rest of the year, and the offseason, we'll see some pretty immediate results in training camp. I just don't want to give up on the guy at this point.

I think the effort was outstanding yesterday. I think a lot of our penalties are due to us being so young and inexperienced. For example, look at our defensive off-sides calls. I am not positive about this, but I think Myles had two, Brantley, Shelton, and Ogunjobi had one each. Three rookies and Shelton is the vet of the group and he is in his 3rd year.

There are a lot of things to consider when a team knowingly commits to playing so many inexperienced players. Penalties are just one of those considerations.

j/c

I said something last week that I'll repeat again. Does it really make any difference which QB starts? I don't think so. The results would be the same. I know this isn't news to most, but we don't have a QB, period. With Thomas injured, the O is going to get even worse. I know some don't believe that's possible, but it is. I don't really have faith in Kizer as a starter. But that's not really the point. Hue has to pick a starter and stick with him. Musical chairs at the QB position simply is a recipe for disaster if you plan to develop any talent.

Now don't get me wrong. I don't believe that there's a lot of talent to develop on the O side of the ball. We don't really have a starting QB or a number one WR. Njoku I believe has talent and may end up being a very good TE. I believe there's really not much else there. But even if your players are weak, you'll never build any rhythm by constantly changing QB's.

Kizer looked better at first yesterday when it was more of a ball controlled O. It simply didn't last.

Probably should have stayed on the bench for 1st half of the season too!!

Happy birthday!
He has no business out there. Dumb draft choice then and now.

Was he tore up or was he just "out"?


And you would never hear about it if Kizer was playing really well... just because you don't hear about it with other QBs doesn't mean it isn't happening.... if they are playing well, nobody cares.

I get the inexperience argument Vers... but we had the guy right over the ball jump offsides what, 3 times? I mean the dude is staring at the ball... and while they may be inexperienced at this level, they have been playing over the ball probably since 5th grade.. most of them for 3 or 4 years in major college programs.

So maybe inexperience plays a role.. but so does lack of discipline and accountability.

The penalties were REALLY frustrating, but you're probably right...

The only thought that I have is that I am just shocked beyond belief that the 1 week benching didn't have the impact on Kizer that we hoped.

I'm shocked!

Now that Thomas is out, sit Kizer in the film room and lock him in there until the last game is over. Just go out and sign 3 more FA QBs right now.

yes, you said they give up yards and you implied you cant have Williams back.

this is by far the best def we have had since we returned.

Interesting stat.

We average more yards than our opponents through 7 games.

How we doing in the Turnover Differential department?

J/C

I keep hearing this about "should have stayed in school" You realize that is a false narrative for QBs right???

other than a handful of teams in NCAA they do not play pro offenses. So is it better to stay a year in school and NOT LEARN about pro football speed or a pro offenses or how pro defenses react....

or is better to leave early and be in the NFL learning from NFL players, NFL coaches, and watching NFL games in front of your face?

Now I will agree he should not be playing this year, but staying in school would not have done anything IMO. Not with the way the college game is.

Vers, the concept was not about the offense but the defense. the differential is slighted because our OFF turns the ball over at an alarming rate - not because we don't get turnovers on Def.

Wow .... sometimes your better off keeping your mouth shut so folks don’t know what u don’t know ...

U HAVE NO CLUE WHY KIZER SHOULD HAVE STOOD IN SCHOOL ... NONE ...

U think every situation is the same ... COULDN’T BE LESS TRUE ....

Way to generalize everything ... smart move ... ...

... its just so hard to communicate on here ...

Thats not what Vers meant but i’ll let Vers speak for himself ....

Dead last. -1.6

His decision to come out could have been a business decision. He'd rather be drafted with/against Watson, Trubisky, Mahomes vs Darnold and co? Based on what we know right now, would Kizer be taken higher/lower?

No clue ... we’ll never know the answer to that ...

It's not a false narrative. It's not just about the offense. Sometimes it's about personal maturity, development of the body and mind.

He's 21 years old, and was asked to straighten out a situation that is absolutely horrible.

I don't blame him for coming out, and I don't think the Browns made a mistake drafting him, I just think he needs more time to mature, both as a person, and yes, with the pro style offense.

I really hope everyone (team, media, fans) can really be patient with him. He's very young, and very raw.

Plenty of opportunities to wreck drives, create turnovers, and pack in more losses. Do NOT allow him any more interviews this year. Unless he wins.

That is not what I meant.

Other than wins/losses, turnover differential is the most important stat in football. Yards and TOP are not nearly as important.

That's all I meant about it.

Wow. That is a lot lower than I would have thought. Or maybe I should say "higher" as it is a negative number. Either way, I would have expected the differential to be closer to -3.

My post game thoughts:

- It was surreal seeing Joe on the ground, and headed to the locker room during the game. I am still in shock. Hopes for a full recovery, whether he plays again or not.
- Hue said something I agree with. Speaking of Joe T, he said something along the lines of "he deserves more than we give him."

- I saw a D do everything it could to give this team a win. Held a team with a good running game, and a 3-3 record, out of the end zone. 9 points in 4 quarters.

- I saw an O do just a little more to make sure this team did not get a win. 3 more picks, another one near the red zone. Did we gain a yard once Joe left the game? It sure did not seem like we did in OT.

I know that seems contradictory. I give our D credit for Tenn having only 9 points at the end of regulation, but blame our O for having only 9 points at the end of regulation. That's how it seems to me. I see Tenn as having a legit offense that can move the ball and score, and the D did a nice job preventing the TDs.

I see our O as not legitimate and we stop ourselves enough to the point where the other team's defense almost seems unnecessary.

This was another step towards to 0-16. I'm serious - i do not see a win on this schedule, unless we join the MAC.

I just re-watched up til Joe got hurt ....

Can’t believe i forgot about the goal line stand ... reminded me of the old days ... real old .. *L*

I don’t think anyone mentioned ...

That felt good for a change ...

U picked a good game to come back bro ...

If Joe didn’t go down ... i believe we win .. and i’m Pretty positive on that ...

Thanks, Diam.

My kid talked me into watching this one, and I am glad I did. Your support helps, as well.

...

I’d love to watch a game and have a beer with u some day dude ... we’d have a ball ...

Tabber’s(eotab) been complimenting me for years on how awesome my bedside manner is ...

You do realize that's "per game" right? Our season differential is -11.

We have created 8 turnovers and given away 19... (with 17 of those being INTs)

Hmmmmm..........I wonder if the original post was intended to deceive? Who would post that stat as per game average?

Then again, he did say "dead last." So, perhaps it was an honest mistake.

Yeah, I knew it was per game. Be hard to get the .6 if it was the season differential.

If it was for the season I would have guessed -15 or so. So, yes, I am surprised the per game differential is less than 2.

Hey, if anybody can get .6 of a turnover, it has to be the Browns right?