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Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
I guess the moral of the story here is "don't just delete your e-mails. Use a private server, and have your server bleached, and make sure others have done the same."

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Boo Hoo. Conservative tears. You still want Hillary's personal e-mails? rofl

Accused criminals like Manafort, Gates, and J. Assange couldn't find anything, and those guys resort to things like extortion, payouts, kidnapping, blackmail, bribery, troll hacking and probably torture. Geez Putin has Eric Snowden and his U.S. stolen top secret computer files as well. And still Nada, siltch, nothing on Hillary's missing personal email. LOL Typical spin. "But But But... what about HILLARY'S personal Emails that are missing?"


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I think George Papadopoulos is cooperating since he took a plea deal. Between him and the two indicted I think Don Jr. and Trump himself are going to be targeted soon. Jr. has probably already sealed his fate in his emails before and after the Russian meeting. If they prove Trump knew Russia had the emails before he infamously told Russia to release them, he's guilty of collusion. Additionally, I think Trump is in trouble over the statements made during his Russian oval office meeting and in a TV interview concerning the firing of Comey. He fired Comey over the Russian Collusion Investigation.



Just heard on CNN, due to the seriousness of the indictments, that the Mueller investigation will go on at least for another year.

This should make Trump supporters happy. Wonder what October 2018 will look like... hmmm.

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We have to hear about this for another year? Come on man.


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I think George Papadopoulos is cooperating since he took a plea deal. Between him and the two indicted I think Don Jr. and Trump himself are going to be targeted soon. Jr. has probably already sealed his fate in his emails before and after the Russian meeting. If they prove Trump knew Russia had the emails before he infamously told Russia to release them, he's guilty of collusion. Additionally, I think Trump is in trouble over the statements made during his Russian oval office meeting and in a TV interview concerning the firing of Comey. He fired Comey over the Russian Collusion Investigation.



Just heard on CNN, due to the seriousness of the indictments, that the Mueller investigation will go on at least for another year.

This should make Trump supporters happy. Wonder what October 2018 will look like... hmmm.


You realize that there was no collusion in the indictments right? The two were arrested for money laundering and acting as foreign agents, not colluding. the other guy George, pleaded guilty for lying to the FBI. . . . .

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We have to hear about this for another year? Come on man.


that's your peoples fault though.

Trump would've won the election with or without Russia. nobody told *potentially* him and his people to go collude.

that's what i find most hilarious about this situation. peeps are going down for stuff they didn't even have to do in the first place.

Paul manafort is probably ticked off at himself right now. if he would've never got involved in the trump campaign, he would've most likely got away with all the stuff he was pulling overseas, cause nobody was looking at him. all he had to do was stay in the shadows. but nope, couldn't just be content with what he had.


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I think George Papadopoulos is cooperating since he took a plea deal. Between him and the two indicted I think Don Jr. and Trump himself are going to be targeted soon. Jr. has probably already sealed his fate in his emails before and after the Russian meeting. If they prove Trump knew Russia had the emails before he infamously told Russia to release them, he's guilty of collusion. Additionally, I think Trump is in trouble over the statements made during his Russian oval office meeting and in a TV interview concerning the firing of Comey. He fired Comey over the Russian Collusion Investigation.



Just heard on CNN, due to the seriousness of the indictments, that the Mueller investigation will go on at least for another year.

This should make Trump supporters happy. Wonder what October 2018 will look like... hmmm.


You realize that there was no collusion in the indictments right? The two were arrested for money laundering and acting as foreign agents, not colluding. the other guy George, pleaded guilty for lying to the FBI. . . . .


what's funny is you're acting like this is anywhere close to being over. you're parroting information that we already know. what we are doing is what everyone does: look at whats going on and see what could happen.

go down with this ship if you want to bro. nobody will save you once you're too deep.


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Can we get this image in the OP?


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this episode had me rolling bro lololol.


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BREAKING:

Govt ask for manafort's bail to be set at 10 mill.


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Sure I realize that. I also realize that this is just the beginning, which I'm not sure if you believe is true or not. If Manafort strikes a deal with Mueller (which is what I believe will happen), then all they need to prove is that Trump knew he was working with Russia, or used his ties to communicate with Russia for any reason (hillary's emails) to gain an edge in the election. That would be collusion.

I think Jr.'s "I love it" email is already proof that he at least attempted to collude. It may come down to Jr. or Trump facing charges.

Flipping defendants is what we are seeing right now. I'm extremely interested in the conspiracy charges. Are they conspiracy to collude? We'll see. The government is asking 10 Million bail for Manafort, not small but not 'no bail' either.

Government ask Gates bail to be set at at 5 million and asking both to be placed house arrest. How do they get house arrest? That's pretty whack if you ask me. Are they too rich for jail? Or is the assumption of pending posting of bail just a given and they want them locked down on ankle monitors?

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We have to hear about this for another year? Come on man.


that's your peoples fault though.

Trump would've won the election with or without Russia. nobody told *potentially* him and his people to go collude.

that's what i find most hilarious about this situation. peeps are going down for stuff they didn't even have to do in the first place.

Paul manafort is probably ticked off at himself right now. if he would've never got involved in the trump campaign, he would've most likely got away with all the stuff he was pulling overseas, cause nobody was looking at him. all he had to do was stay in the shadows. but nope, couldn't just be content with what he had.


I'm not so sure he would've won. I myself and at least a few others I know that didn't vote would have voted for hillary if not for her emails, Podesta's emails and the DNC emails that leaked. Proof that they cheated Bernie hurt her BIG TIME.

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Originally Posted By: Swish
BREAKING:

Govt ask for manafort's bail to be set at 10 mill.
should be denied.

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I guess the moral of the story here is "don't just delete your e-mails. Use a private server, and have your server bleached, and make sure others have done the same."

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Boo Hoo. Conservative tears. You still want Hillary's personal e-mails? rofl

Accused criminals like Manafort, Gates, and J. Assange couldn't find anything, and those guys resort to things like extortion, payouts, kidnapping, blackmail, bribery, troll hacking and probably torture. Geez Putin has Eric Snowden and his U.S. stolen top secret computer files as well. And still Nada, siltch, nothing on Hillary's missing personal email. LOL Typical spin. "But But But... what about HILLARY'S personal Emails that are missing?"


Uh, it was a joke. Now, unwad your undies.

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Originally Posted By: willitevachange
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BREAKING:

Govt ask for manafort's bail to be set at 10 mill.
should be denied.


Remember, we are only hearing the Prosecutions side of things.
Manafort's defense will have their day too.

I already heard there will be a challenge of Constitutionality due to Mueller exceeding his authorization.

Time will make this even more interesting.

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A brief history of Manafort’s relationship with Trump

https://www.yahoo.com/news/brief-history-manaforts-relationship-trump-180905991.html

President Trump distanced himself from Paul Manafort on Monday morning, insisting that his former campaign chairman had allegedly committed misdeeds “years ago.”

But Trump, who has a history of trying distance himself from controversial figures, may have a harder time doing so with Manafort, someone deeply tied to Trump’s world.

Manafort was indicted Monday morning along with former business partner Rick Gates on 12 counts, including conspiracy against the U.S. and conspiracy to launder money. These were the first charges announced by special counsel Robert Mueller, who in May took control of a federal investigation into Russia’s multifaceted campaign to influence last year’s presidential election.

After Manafort and Gates surrendered to the FBI, Trump tweeted that the charges stem from alleged actions years before his presidential campaign. The commander in chief also questioned why his former rival Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party have not been the focus of the Russia probe — reiterating that his team did not collude with Moscow.



Here is a brief history of Manafort’s ties with Trump and his world.

Manafort buys property in Trump Tower

In 2006, Manafort purchased a condominium — through an LCC called John Hannah — in Trump Tower on Fifth Avenue in midtown Manhattan. He transferred the deed to the apartment to Paul and Kathleen Manafort in 2015.

NBC News reported that Manafort’s middle name is John, and his then-business partner Rick Davis’s middle name is Hannah.

Business dealings with Roger Stone

Manafort and political strategist and informal Trump adviser Roger J. Stone Jr. co-founded the Washington, D.C., lobbying firm Black, Manafort, Stone and Kelly in the early 1980s. The firm lobbied Congress on behalf of foreign governments and worked closely with former presidents Ronald Reagan, George Bush and Bill Clinton.

Stone, who has been denounced for promoting conspiracy theories and falsehoods over the course of his career, briefly served as an adviser on Trump’s presidential campaign and continues to talk to Trump. He reportedly recommended Manafort to Trump.


Paul Manafort, left, Roger Stone, center, and Lee Atwater were young Republican political operatives who set up lobbying firms. (Photo: Harry Naltchayan/The Washington Post via Getty Images)
Convention manager

Manafort joined Trump’s campaign as the convention manager in March 2016. He was responsible for transitioning the campaign’s activities toward the Republican National Committee in Cleveland. There was concern at the time about whether Republican delegates would support Trump, who ran a scorched-earth campaign during the primary.

Manafort has a wealth of experience working on U.S. presidential campaigns that spans decades. He contributed to the campaign for presidents Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, as well as Republican presidential nominee Bob Dole.

At the time, Trump that Manafort was “a great asset and an important addition” as the campaign consolidated its support from the primaries and caucuses.

“Paul Manafort, and the team I am building, bring the needed skill sets to ensure that the will of the Republican voters, not the Washington political establishment, determines who will be the nominee for the Republican Party,” Trump said in a statement. “I look forward to winning the nomination, and ultimately the presidency in order to make America great again.”

Campaign chairman

Manafort was promoted to campaign manager on May 19, replacing Corey Lewandowski. With Manafort at the helm, Trump secured enough delegates for the party’s nomination, chose Mike Pence as his running mate and accepted the party’s nomination at the convention.


Paul Manafort, then adviser to Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump’s campaign, checks the teleprompters before Trump’s speech at the Mayflower Hotel on April 27, 2016, in Washington, D.C. (Photo: Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images)
Infamous meeting with Russian lawyer

Manafort joined Trump’s son Donald Trump Jr. and son-in-law, Jared Kushner, for the highly publicized and controversial meeting on June 9, 2016, at Trump Tower with a Russian lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, who promised to provide damaging information about Clinton.

The younger Trump repeatedly shifted his story about the meeting, which he initially said was about Russian adoption policy.

But in July of this year, Trump Jr. released a series of emails with music publicist Rob Goldstone coordinating the meeting, which was advertised as being about Kremlin dirt on Clinton.

“This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump,” Goldstone wrote in one email.

Manafort resigns

Manafort served on Trump’s campaign until he resigned in August of last year. In a since-deleted statement, Trump said, “This morning Paul Manafort offered, and I accepted, his resignation from the campaign. I am very appreciative for his great work in helping to get us where we are today, and in particular his work guiding us through the delegate and convention process. Paul is a true professional and I wish him the greatest success.”

The days leading to Manafort’s resignation were riddled with questions about his ties to Ukraine, where he provided consulting service for former President Viktor Yanukovych, a Russian ally. The New York Times reported Aug. 14, 2016, that the Ukrainian Anti-Corruption Bureau was investigating ledgers that appeared to show Manafort receiving $12.7 million in “off-the-book cash” payments from 2007 to 2012. Yahoo News reported Aug. 17, 2016, that Manafort had recruited a prominent lobbyist to help change U.S. policy toward Ukraine.

On the day of his resignation, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich told Fox News pundit Sean Hannity that Manafort’s contributions to Trump’s political success should not be underestimated.


Unofficial adviser for Cabinet picks

A former campaign official who worked with Manafort told the Daily Beast — in an article published Nov. 30, 2016 — that Trump and Pence continued to consult with Manafort after his resignation.

“When they’re picking a Cabinet, unless he contacts me, I don’t bother him,” the former official said. “It’s a heady time for everyone.”

“I think he’s weighing in on everything,” the source continued. “I think he still talks to Trump every day. I mean, Pence? That was all Manafort. Pence is on the phone with Manafort regularly.”


Rick Gates looks on as Donald Trump checks out the podium in preparation for accepting the GOP presidential nomination at the 2016 Republican National Convention in Cleveland on July 20, 2016. (Photo: Bill Clark/CQ Roll Call/Getty Images)
Gates helped plan inauguration

Four Republican sources told Yahoo News in November that Gates was serving as the chief deputy to private equity investor Thomas Barrack, a close friend of Trump’s who was his inaugural chairman. Gates had not been named in the public announcement of Trump’s transition team on Nov. 15, 2016. Another source, a top Republican fundraiser, said Gates was playing a critical role in planning and overseeing inaugural events.

“And when Barrack stops by to meet Trump in the West Wing, he has brought Gates with him,” the Daily Beast reported this June.

Spicer downplays Manfort’s importance

Trump’s tweets on Monday morning are only the White House’s most recent attempt to distance itself from Manafort. On March 20, 2017, for instance, then White House press secretary Sean Spicer said Manafort “played a very limited role for a very limited amount of time.”

Trump surprised by FBI raid of Manfort’s home

The FBI raided Manafort’s home in Virginia on July 26, 2017.

On Aug. 10, 2017, Trump told reporters at his golf club in Bedminster, N.J., that he had not spoken to Manafort in a long time, and downplayed his role in his campaign.

When asked whether the raid was appropriate, Trump responded, “I thought it was a very, very strong signal or whatever. I know Mr. Manafort. I haven’t spoken to him in a long time, but I know him. He was with the campaign, as you know, for a very short period of time — relatively short period of time. But I’ve always known him to be a good man,” according to pool reports.

Manafort, Gates, the White House and the Trump campaign have not responded to requests from Yahoo News for comment.


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about 850K in 6 years in one clothing stores? even rappers don't blow that kind of cash on fashion. those suits must be crazy good quality!!!

Paul Manafort FBI indictment reveals opulent life of Trump campaign manager: $849k in one clothes store and $934k on antique rugs

https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.ph...owflat/fpart/14

Charges filed by the FBI as part of its investigation into alleged links between Donald Trump’s team and Russia have revealed the lavish life of luxury lived by Mr Trump’s former campaign manager, Paul Manafort.

Mr Manafort was charged by special counsel Robert Mueller with 12 offences, including money laundering, tax evasion and making false statements.

The 31-page indictment records how the lobbyist allegedly channelled money from a number of offshore accounts into luxury goods in the US.

According to the document, Mr Manafort spent more than $930,000 (£704,000) on antique rugs at a shop in Alexandria, Virginia, between 2009 and 2010 alone.

He is also said to have paid $850,000 (£643,000) to a single New York clothing store over six years, and forked out $5.4 million (£4.1 million) between 2008 and 2014 on a home improvement service in the Hamptons, where he owns a home. He also allegedly spent $800,000 (£606,000) on landscaping services there.

The FBI indictment alleges Mr Manafort bought luxury items using money from offshore accounts
Mr Manafort, who served as Mr Trump’s campaign chairman between June and August 2016, is also said to have spent $1.3 million (£984,000) at a lighting and entertainment company in Florida, where he owns a mansion, and $600,000 (£454,000) at an antiques dealer in New York.

The indictment says: "Manafort used his hidden overseas wealth to enjoy a lavish lifestyle in the United States, without paying taxes on that income.

"Manafort, without reporting the income to his tax preparer or the United States, spent millions of dollars on luxury goods and services for himself and his extended family through payments wired from offshore nominee accounts to United States vendors."

The lobbyist reportedly purchased several properties, including two in New York and one in the upmarket Hamptons area two hours outside the city. He also spent money on a Mercedes Benz and at least three Range Rovers.

Mr Manafort’s business partner, Rick Gates, was also charged and revealed to have expensive tastes of his own.

The pair were indicted by a grand jury last week but the charges were only opened on Monday. The allegations against them include conspiracy against the US, conspiracy to money launder, failure to declare their work for a foreign state, and making false statements.


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Manafort, Gates, the White House and the Trump campaign have not responded to requests from Yahoo News for comment.


rofl
Nice touch there. Like they are expected to call Yahoo. Too much.

Well at least you guys have something to go on about again. rofl

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Trump always provides something new. where have you been? russia?


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Manny just plead not guilty.

So far, this has nothing to do with President Trump but it gives you guys something to howl about.

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Nothing to do with him? What do you think about the footnote?

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if I am not mistaken, everything manafort did was with Ukraine. is that or is that not part of Russia??

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I believe Manafort worked with Ukranians who were in favor of the Crimea split before it came a thing.

Crimea is the country that led to Russian sanctions. The repeal of sanctions were a huge part of the whole GOP platform once DJT received the nomination.

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Kinda funny to see Manafort get punished for doing the only logical and appropriate political move in DJT's tenure.

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Phew!! At least we know dawgtalkers wasn't involved.

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That footnote reads to me like it exonerates Trump.

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Reads to me like it was without Trumps knowledge.

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Interesting point brought out...Papadopoulos was "flipped" by Mueller in July 2017. Word is, he may have worn a wire for Mueller and the feds.

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Manafort and Gates are on house arrest.

netflix and chill?


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Manafort and Gates are on house arrest.

netflix and chill?
They will be catching up on House of Cards

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Manafort and Gates are on house arrest.

netflix and chill?
They will be catching up on House of Cards


and learn from Spacey how to touch little boys.


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Nothing to do with him? What do you think about the footnote?


This footnote reads like conspiracy to collude to me.

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Manafort and Gates are on house arrest.

netflix and chill?
They will be catching up on House of Cards


and learn from Spacey how to touch little boys.
ughh, please...I have tried to stay away from reading anything about that. tired of all the disgusting pedos in the world today.

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we shall see.

one thing that's clear is above all else: this investigation is only warming up.


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Reads to me like people talking behind Trumps back.

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Manafort and Gates are on house arrest.

netflix and chill?
They will be catching up on House of Cards


and learn from Spacey how to touch little boys.


Only watched the first few episodes of that show, is that where they took his character?

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I wonder how if the next big fish is Kushner?

news has steadily came out throughout the year of his shady dealings.


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Heck, even Nixon covered his tracks better.


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I wonder how if the next big fish is Kushner?

news has steadily came out throughout the year of his shady dealings.


I think Kushner would give up Trump. lol. He wouldn't fare well in the joint.

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yea that's like sending Bieber into federal prison.


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