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I wish he would follow up with why.

anybody know the list of QB's hitting FA this offseason?

j/c:


https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/925167459081977856

From the desk of Chris Mortenson:


https://twitter.com/mortreport/status/925183970316308480

Vers / Diam, you still want to let this play out and not trash can this FO?

I just have a terrible feeling letting these guys run the draft next year.

Haven't read the entire thread, but is that true? Did Hoyer really get released? If so - it would be a double fire-able offense if we didn't sign him tomorrow and call him the starter for the rest of the year and let Kizer sit.

Then again, we should have Garoppolo and/or Wentz so it SHOULD be moot.

Let's play hypothetical:

The 49ers and us both offer a second round pick for Garoppolo. At this point in the season they are essentially the same pick. Both teams are terrible will probably finish with the first or second pick. The picks are a wash. (We also have a bunch of other picks that we can offer, but let's assume they were not offered for whatever reason.) The 49ers will cut Brian Hoyer, a player the Patriots want/need if they trade Garoppolo. We cut Kevin Hogan/Cody Kessler and the Patriots still don't have a backup.

I don't think we'll ever know what truly happen, but I think I get it from the Patriots perspective. The "Belichick doesn't want to help the Browns" thing doesn't pass the smell test. They traded us Jamie Collins last year.

I wish he would follow up with why.

Sounds like Pats may really want Hoyer. He knows their system. They can get him for the minimum salary. Do they also get a compensatory pick for losing Garoppolo? Maybe not because it’s a trade. I don’t know. At any rate.. they are able to fill a need whereas dealing with us they probably don’t want whoever we cut!! Niners 2nd rounder is probably a top 35 pick.

Also to consider... Browns trying to develop Kizer. Have no wideouts. Maybe they have their eyes on a first round QB in next year’s draft. So maybe it just didn’t make sense to bring in JG ?? I’m not saying it was the right decision just saying that may have been the logic.

Hmmmmmm ...

I bet Hoyer had a lot to do with it ...

I said it earlier that BB messed up by trading Brissett and now trading JG left him with no back up for this year ...

So i’m guessing Hoyer was a big part of it .. ESPECIALLY if he doesn’t have to clear waivers .. i don’t know how that works ...

That may be what Mort meant ...

If Jimmy G doesn't play well but if he is as good as everyone thinks that pick get further and further down that list. They could end 8-8 where would that pick be then?

And if he plays well he could decide to go the FA way and look for top dollar and SF is out a second and a starting QB.

And if he plays well he could decide to go the FA way and look for top dollar and SF is out a second and a starting QB.

He's a veteran, so no waivers. If I'm Hoyer though, I'd have my agent calling other teams before I quickly signed for the minimum. The Pats will be sweating it out until he signs.

The 49ers are already 0-8.



Franchise tag.

So they couldn't win 8 with Jimmy G?

It seems like teams don't want to change their QB situation mid year because it's a ton for a new QB to learn on the fly. Who is going to cut their current backup for a player that has to learn everything? It's not like Hoyer is more than a minimum player anyway.

It seems like teams don't want to change their QB situation mid year because it's a ton for a new QB to learn on the fly. Who is going to cut their current backup for a player that has to learn everything? It's not like Hoyer is more than a minimum player anyway.

Miami? Denver? Jacksonville? All his agent has to do is to make it appear that other teams are interested to make that offer go up. The Pats don't want a different back-up QB for the same reason.

Also, word is that the 49ers are probably going to sit Garoppolo this week against the Cardinals. Then they have their bye and then Garoppolo starts the next week. Makes sense.

Something changed over the last six months for the Patriots. We might not know what happened for a while, but if you believe any of the reports about the sorts of offers the Patriots were expecting to field for Garoppolo this offseason, they played their cards all wrong. NFL executives suggested the Patriots would get a first-round pick in a Garoppolo deal. The Pats were reportedly asking for two first-round picks, but were willing to settle for the first overall pick. The Pats reportedly turned down an overture from the Browns during the first round of the draft for Garoppolo.

If it wasn't about the trade value, then the Patriots were holding onto Garoppolo as part of some scheme to be revealed after the season. They wanted Garoppolo because he was about to be the "next great quarterback" in New England. The Pats were going to franchise Garoppolo and trade him to the highest bidder. Maybe Don Yee, the agent to both Patriots passers, would arrange for Garoppolo to sign a new deal with a structure that would see his salary soar just as Tom Brady ran off into a field of kale. The Patriots would come away with some outsized return because Bill Belichick is always going to be smarter than the guy on the other side of the table.

After Monday's trade, Occam's Razor suggests none of that to be true. The Patriots weren't going to be able to slap the franchise tag on Garoppolo because of their needs on defense as cornerback Malcolm Butler hits free agency. Belichick doesn't appear to think Garoppolo is his quarterback of the future, because if he thought Garoppolo was going to be a franchise passer for the next decade, the same guy who has kicked every other Patriots legend out the door would have moved on from Brady this offseason. The Patriots probably weren't offered a juicy first-round pick this offseason, and while they waited to see if any competitor got desperate and made them a Sam Bradford-sized offer, the trade never came.

In the end, the Patriots waited until just about the last second and took the best available offer on the table. If you treat the offers that might have been available six months ago as sunk costs and evaluate what the Patriots could have done with Garoppolo from this point forward, this is a reasonable return. The best-case scenario would have seen the Patriots come away with a compensatory pick at the bottom of the third round of the 2019 draft, somewhere between picks 97 and 100, and that would only come if New England didn't make another foray into high-level free agency this offseason.

Got a link couldn't find that fact.

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I believe Adam Schefter stated it was SF's plan not to play Garoppolo this week at halftime on MNF.

Hoyer recently blasted the Browns. Said it was a horrible experience here. He’s not signing here.

This does not fit Vambo's narrative of the 49ers going undefeated for the rest of the season.

Also, while the 49ers will probably still be bad, they will be better. That means we probably locked up the #1 pick with this trade.

Wait, all it took to get Garoppolo was a high 2? How did the Browns not get that trade done before the draft?

The two quarterbacks Hue has wanted most since taking over are Goff and Garoppolo. It's fair to put RG3 on him. But it's never his call.

S. Darnold - No way he comes out if Browns have #1 pick
J. Rosen - Don’t need the headcase here with such a yong team

Old pal Banner chiming in.....

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Hue must be totally fed up if he is letting Mike Silver put out that he wanted Garapollo.

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lol.

either the FO didn't even bother, or BB wasn't gonna send jimmy G to this hellhole.