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We (barely) offered more than SF did. I think EO has a point re: AFC.

Shanahan wanted Carr or Jimmy in that draft.

He knew Manziel was a loser, that's why he begged to get out. He finally got his guy.

Not to mention Belichick traded Seymour to the Raiders, Collins to us, Bledsoe to the Bills. . .

They traded out of Watson when Hue text Watson pre-draft..... has a coach ever quit?


Would be an all-time Browns low. Even for us.

Bring Hoyer back. I miss his commercials about riding his bicycle.

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Who says the NFL never has any trades? After the Houston Texans sent Duane Brown to the Seattle Seahawks to finally provide Seattle with the left tackle it had sought for years, the New England Patriots and San Francisco 49ers consummated a stunning trade on Monday. The 0-8 Niners were expected to target their quarterback of the future this offseason, but they've made a move earlier than anybody expected in trading their 2018 second-round pick to the Patriots for quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo.

The short-term ramifications of the Garoppolo deal aren't much -- the 49ers are all but eliminated from the playoffs and Garoppolo wasn't playing behind Tom Brady in New England -- but there are huge reverberations for a number of players and teams across the league that will be felt in the months and years to come. Let's break them down and trace the dominoes of the Garoppolo deal:

Jimmy G's fit in San Francisco

And let's start with the one player to actually change hands in the deal. The 49ers took half-measures this offseason to address the quarterback position, signing Brian Hoyer as a result of his experience playing under new coach Kyle Shanahan before using a third-round pick on C.J. Beathard. Neither move has borne much fruit. Hoyer posted his worst passer rating in five years before being benched after six games, and Beathard has subsequently been worse. Only the Bears and have Browns have fielded passers with a cumulative Total QBR worse than San Francisco's 28.4 mark this season.

Enter Garoppolo, who probably won't start against the Cardinals this week but might be ready to enter the lineup against the Giants on Nov. 12. With the 49ers on bye the following week, Garoppolo will likely be under center no later than Nov. 26, when the fourth-year quarterback will be up against the mighty Seahawks.

Anyone who tells you that Garoppolo will be a great fit for Shanahan's scheme is guessing. Truthfully, we're not even sure Garoppolo is a great fit in Josh McDaniels' scheme, given that the sample size of Garoppolo as a starting quarterback playing meaningful football amounts to six quarters and 63 pass attempts. As I wrote about at the time, Garoppolo looked great while attacking rookie Cardinals cornerback Brandon Williams, who has barely seen the field on defense over the past year. A week later, he beat up a Dolphins pass defense that would end the year ranked 16th in DVOA, targeting linebacker Jelani Jenkins, who has already been on three different rosters this season.

A sprained shoulder ended his time as the Patriots' starter before Brady returned, and injuries remain a huge unknown in terms of estimating Garoppolo's value. The 49ers are likely making this deal with the intention of having Garoppolo start under Shanahan in the long term, but there should be no rush in giving Garoppolo a long-term deal because he's in line to make just $434,158 more over the rest of the season. The Niners can also easily franchise Garoppolo in 2018 at a price which will exceed $23 million, given that general manager John Lynch should have in excess of $100 million in room after carrying over $60 million in unused space from this season's cap.

The 49ers will also have to be patient with Garoppolo. Shanahan's reputation holds that his offensive scheme takes a year to percolate before sticking, with the Falcons as the most notable example. Matt Ryan looked frustrated and lost at times in 2015, but he won league MVP behind a better offensive line in 2016. Ryan had a training camp to learn the scheme; Garoppolo will be learning the playbook overnight. We won't really know what the Niners have under center until the end of the 2018 season.


Jimmy Garoppolo is headed to San Francisco, where he'll get an eight-game audition for a gigantic contract in 2018. Jim Rogash/Getty Images
Garoppolo won't have much to work with, either, given how beat up the Niners are on offense. The strength of the offense was their tackle duo, but Joe Staley fractured his orbital bone in the loss to the Eagles on Sunday, while breakout right tackle Trent Brown missed the game with a concussion. Garoppolo's nominal top receiver is Pierre Garcon, but the former Washington standout missed most of the second half against Philadelphia with a neck injury after crashing into Eagles linebackers coach Ken Flajole just before halftime. It's a drop-off going from Rob Gronkowski, Chris Hogan and Julian Edelman to George Kittle, Trent Taylor and Marquise Goodwin, and there's every reason to believe Garoppolo's performance will drop accordingly.

In looking at Garoppolo's possible landing points, though, San Francisco was one of the best-case scenarios. He'll join an organization that is seriously committed to its coach and general manager, with the Niners having handed both Shanahan and Lynch six-year deals before this season. Garoppolo doesn't have to worry about joining an organization and having the guys who wanted him leave town for the foreseeable future. He'll be working with an offensive-minded coach with a track record of improving his quarterbacks. When Staley and Brown are on the field, the 49ers have a pair of useful pass protectors on the edges, even if Staley has slipped some. There are certainly worse places for a quarterback to land.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21231...d-2017-deadline

My issue w/that hypothetical is that the Browns could have offered more. They have a ton of draft picks.

I've been all over the place w/this FO. I've liked some of their moves and disliked others. I didn't like the plan because I think losing so many games is hard to overcome on a variety of levels.

It's probably too soon to say this because the wound of the trade is still fresh, but right now, it wouldn't bother me at all if the FO was sent packing. Hire some football guys and keep Hue and his coaching staff.

BB controlled JG, none of us know what FO did or didn't do...JMHO Swish had it right BB wasn't going to let JG go to Cleveland....who knows the hearts of man.....GO Browns!!!

it's nearly impossible for me to fathom that we didn't offer a better package of picks

Then why did he trade Collins to Cleveland? Why did he give a pick to Cleveland for Mingo?

Our FO blew it again.

What QB would ever want to play in Cleveland....

Clearly it was a 3 way negotiation,and JG had a say in it.

Will you provide some proof to back up that comment? I don't see how you can say "clearly...."

Why would I have to provide anything?

Clearly in the sense of obvious...

It's obvious that JG didn't want to play in team like the Browns and would rather play for a team with better chances.

I think it's a huge stretch that BB consulted w/JG about where he wanted to play. LOL

Last year of contract, if BB didn't someone else did...

The guy sits behind Tom, is a class act during all the trade talks in the Draft, and then you don't talk to him and just ship him to Cleveland..

BB does not have multiple rings because he's dumb...

You could always argue that BB though a 2nd round pick was the just value, and nobody else in the league though JG was worth more...

But I will stick with the first...

LOL....no. As a kid I liked to read comics. Flattop Jones was the top villan in the Dick Tracy strip. Kizer looks just like flattop...thin chin, wide forehead, hair that is bushy on the sides flattens out at the top. Nothing racial about it at all.

http://dicktracy.wikia.com/wiki/Flattop_Jones_Sr.

LOL

"if". LOL. Who else could get the #1 pick? Not SF. Not now. They now have the capacity to win a few games.

I had faint hope that SF would be 0-16 along with us, but not now. We will be alone at the bottom of the league. Again.

Alright calm down, this just means SF will not be picking a QB if they pick #1, meaning we will have our take at any QB coming out.

It would simplify the process if we already have a QB. Maybe Cousins is in play. Then we could do any number of things. Select a player, trade down just a few spots.

I don't care who the QB is, it is always a risk when drafting one of those guys. Take Bradford as an example. He was a sure fire guy who hasn't been a sure fire guy. He hasn't been bad, but clearly other qbs have been better.

j/c:

Does anyone have a subscription to the Athletic? Zac Jackson just wrote an article and his twitter posts pushing the piece said:

"I wrote about the Browns sitting out another quarterback transaction and the signs that point to Kirk Cousins"

I was curious to see if what "signs" are mentioned that point to Cousins?

Well in the other QB thread - I stated that Cousins would be my top pick of any of the QB's discussed.

It's way safer to pay out the butt for Cousins - and draft WR's in the top of the draft than it is to draft a QB or even trade for JG.... I like JG - I would have given up a high 2nd round pick and more for him - but i think Cousins is still the much much safer pick up. . . . it just means that it is delayed for 5 months.

Do you think Cousins would even consider coming to Cleveland?

j/c:


https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/925326463548690433

Diam, wasn't it you that said there was no way a team would make a deal for JG without an extentsion already being a part pf the deal?

I do...

Basically, there is now one less suitor for Cousins.

The gist of it.

When Cousins might be worth $30 million a season, you trade a second-round pick for Garoppolo in a heartbeat. That's both a supply and demand lesson and a history lesson. For the Browns, the uncertain beat goes on.

Like Zac Jackson often says....It's December in Berea.

I was shocked when I heard the news as I drove into work today.
but......

There is a ton of animosity on here when nobody & I mean nobody knows for sure how everything went down.

Would I have liked to see JG in the brown & orange? Hell yes I would.

Does anyone know for a fact that the Browns turned their nose up at the opportunity to make this trade happen? Anyone?????

We are 12 hours out, and we may never know how it went down, but until we have more info, I am going to think that the Browns were not in consideration for getting JG.

I feel with our draft capital, as well as no Myles Garrett, Jameis Winston, Mariota, Luck, or Wentz in this draft, NE could have reached out and seen if we would consider the #1 pick for JG & a 4th. I wouldn't care if JG would not sign an extension as we have the cap space to franchise him. I would have made the deal and as we are starving for hope at the QB position I feel most on here would agree as well.

I feel NE knew that they could not afford to keep JG and SF reached out first. Maybe the Browns did not know, Only a select hand full knows exactly how it went down, hopefully by the next game more info comes out and I can have an informed opinion.

It is disappointing to see so many people up in arms thinking that the FO did not do their due diligence to make this trade. If news comes out that the FO did not explore their options after the Patriots reached out to us, then I will be frustrated. but in all honesty, no more frustrated then I have been for the past decade.

All I can say is, we have been here before. It is rough. I get that. But ordering a firing squad without all the information is premature to say the least.

What if the 49ers don't tag JG and they cant sign him to an extension????
What if we miraculously land Cousins in free agency???
What is we draft Rosen and he is very good but after a year in the league he can not beat out an extremely improved Deshone Kizer????
What if Kessler starts 5 of the final 8 games and leads us to 4 wins????

all that being said, there are a ton of variables in play, let it play out.
I know its hard, but try to be patient. Lets get all the info we can and then have an educated reason for what we are saying. Whether it be pro FO or anti FO make sure we have facts to back why we are upset/ disappointed.

"Premature"? It is Standard Operating Procedure around here...

I honestly do not think BB wanted Jimmy G to go to an AFC team.

I honestly find it hard to believe that we didn't offer anything, when I have see we offered more than SF.

I think this stinks, but we also are going to be sitting pretty dang good, with SF out of the Cousins picture, and SF not wanted to draft a QB in the 1st round now, we have more options.

This was in another thread:

It's coming unraveled.....

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Got several emails last night that coaching staff for #Browns HIGHLY upset at front office.
Coaches in building working, FO went home at 5

2/ while coaches continued to work the night before the trade deadline. Sasha Brown was unaware of the Jimmy G trade and was actually

3/ informed of it by an irate coaching staff who had lobbied to acquire him, over an hour after it happened.

4/ Coaching staff feels that the front office is undercutting them by not acquiring the talent they need to win, and not putting in matching effort to do so

Link

I think this simply boils down to Jimmy telling the Pats FO that if your're going to trade me, 'trade me to anyone but the Browns"...

I think it's as simple as that.

I don't believe that. I don't think BB consults w/his players on where they want to play. LOL

If that is true, that the FO went home at 5 the day before the trade deadline and without inquiring about Garropolo even though the Pats were shopping him, they all need to be gone. I have supported a lot of what they have done, but that would just be lazy and incompetence.

This floored me! We could have done twice that easily. I really wanted him here rather than the dumpster fire each week. This might have helped a few games by now.

So why does BB allow this now, other than to beat the deadlines?

Saw this on the NFL mobile app last night. wow. Didn't see that coming.

This is the first I've read this can you link to where they were actively shopping Jimmy G?

This is absolutely awful, or the FO feels Shonny Football is making gigantic strides. This could have re-cast the upcoming draft entirely.

Coaches have a legitimate beef IMO if this is true.

I heard they were having problems working out a contract w/him because JG's bottom line was that wanting to play trumped the pay.

That seems valid and understandable. Just wish it was here.