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Well I guess with the 49ers trading for Garoppolo leaves us with our choice of whichever college QB we want which isn't all bad ...


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Really I would like the letter tattooed on his chest.

I am angry.

I hate what the Browns have become.

The fault lies on Haslam and Sashi Brown.

To scapegoat Hue Jackson is absurd.

You can not win without talent. Kizer is young and may develop but you can not put all the eggs in that basket. Osweiler should have started and Kizer should have learned from the bench.

The Garoppolo failure is stubborn stupidity on the part of Sahsi Brown. We had the draft capital to get him and the money to pay him. He would have brought a winning attitude that the Browns need desperately along with a great skill set.

I am livid over this.

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https://www.boston.com/sports/new-englan...garoppolo-trade

Sports Illustrated‘s Albert Breer: “As I understand it, the Patriots put potential solutions in front of Garoppolo in the spring and summer to try to extend their window to pass him the torch that Tom Brady has carried for the last 17 seasons. It would have cost them a lot, but they were willing to carry two starting quarterback contracts on their books to do it. Garoppolo, however, made it clear he that wants to be a starter, not just a guy paid like one.”

ESPN’s Mike Reiss: “Expect veteran Brian Hoyer to return to New England as the other quarterback domino to fall, as he would fill the team’s No. 2 spot behind Brady. Nothing can happen until Hoyer is officially released by the 49ers, but it’s hard to imagine the Patriots would have made the deal without assurance that Hoyer would be coming aboard. Hoyer, who has remained close friends with Brady, isn’t subject to waivers.”

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I agree bro.


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Originally Posted By: bonefish

Really I would like the letter tattooed on his chest.

I am angry.

I hate what the Browns have become.

The fault lies on Haslam and Sashi Brown.

To scapegoat Hue Jackson is absurd.

You can not win without talent. Kizer is young and may develop but you can not put all the eggs in that basket. Osweiler should have started and Kizer should have learned from the bench.

The Garoppolo failure is stubborn stupidity on the part of Sahsi Brown. We had the draft capital to get him and the money to pay him. He would have brought a winning attitude that the Browns need desperately along with a great skill set.

I am livid over this.


I'm livid too.

Could have had Garrapolo, Hilton, and Benjamin.

You ALWAYS take proven talent over potential. And all those guys are young.


LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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.@JasonLaCanfora suggests on @CLETalkingHeads Jimmy G wasn't traded to #Browns because McDaniels and Caserio will be new Coach and GM.

https://twitter.com/WxShaw/status/925402691446112256


LaConfora getting in on the speculation... late to the party, Jason.


bro....what if it's true though?



I like Nick Caserio. I don't believe any of it but I might be inclined to hand him the keys and back away.

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Did you write that in cursive or send them an email?


Comic Sans.

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Man, we can’t even beat the bye week.



That is the best quote I have seen in a long time. Thanks, I needed that.

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Man, we can’t even beat the bye week.



That is the best quote I have seen in a long time. Thanks, I needed that.
The crap has officially hit the fan.. shocked


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Guys...really? lol Jimmy G was never coming here.


I bet you're wondering the samething I did, why O' why didn't I take the...blue pill
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Originally Posted By: HotBYoungTurk
I think this simply boils down to Jimmy telling the Pats FO that if your're going to trade me, 'trade me to anyone but the Browns"...

I think it's as simple as that.



I think it was more Bill not wanting to trade JG inside the AFC.


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Originally Posted By: dawgpound101
Guys...really? lol Jimmy G was never coming here.


He’s not coming here because we really suck as an organization and he wants no part of us or, he’s not coming here because we really suck an an organization and we couldn’t offer the 2nd and 3rd we offered for McCarron.

I think we can see the common denominator here.


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Nah .. You think Bill is scared of the Browns before he retires ? We didn't have a QB to release that Bill could pick up as a backup..

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Originally Posted By: PerfectSpiral
Hoyer and Kap are available.


Hoyer probably isn't. His release may have been a part of the deal. NE gains a back-up who knows the system.

NE needed a back-up as of today. Hoyer becomes that guy.


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Guys...really? lol Jimmy G was never coming here.


He’s not coming here because we really suck as an organization and he wants no part of us or, he’s not coming here because we really suck an an organization and we couldn’t offer the 2nd and 3rd we offered for McCarron.

I think we can see the common denominator here.




Sorry, you guys aren't thinking. I offerded two reasons why JG wasn't headed this way. Both make a lot of sense to me.


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Guys...really? lol Jimmy G was never coming here.


He’s not coming here because we really suck as an organization and he wants no part of us or, he’s not coming here because we really suck an an organization and we couldn’t offer the 2nd and 3rd we offered for McCarron.

I think we can see the common denominator here.




Sorry, you guys aren't thinking. I offerded two reasons why JG wasn't headed this way. Both make a lot of sense to me.


I’ve never been accused of thinking, I don’t know why I should start now.


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I’ve never been accused of thinking, I don’t know why I should start now.


You've demonstrated the keen attribute that the Browns look for... when can you start?

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I wonder if Sashi even cares. He's not interested in winning, he's set this organization back years with his stupid decisions.


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I have zero doubt that if Bill Belichick really believed he was letting a 25-year-old franchise quarterback walk out the door for only a 2nd round pick, he'd have sooner see the 41-year-old Brady move on in 2018.

I'm sceptical on if this is a good trade for them or not.

I'm not mad at the Browns. We apparently offered more than the 49ers did in the offseason. I can't be mad at the team for not trading for a guy when they offered more for his services than the team who ultimately did trade for him.

The list of quarterbacks that Bill has traded away also makes me feel a lot better.

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Originally Posted By: Squires
I wonder if Sashi even cares. He's not interested in winning, he's set this organization back years with his stupid decisions.


He's not interested in winning because that was the plan all along. He did what he was hired to do. It's not like Haslam hired him thinking he was trying to win games right away.

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I wonder if Sashi even cares. He's not interested in winning, he's set this organization back years with his stupid decisions.


He's not interested in winning because that was the plan all along. He did what he was hired to do. It's not like Haslam hired him thinking he was trying to win games right away.


1 win in 2 years is not acceptable. If the FO doesn't care about winning, they need to be replaced with someone who does care about winning. Even bad times manage to get a few wins.


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I agree with that.


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I wonder if Sashi even cares. He's not interested in winning, he's set this organization back years with his stupid decisions.


He's not interested in winning because that was the plan all along. He did what he was hired to do. It's not like Haslam hired him thinking he was trying to win games right away.


1 win in 2 years is not acceptable. If the FO doesn't care about winning, they need to be replaced with someone who does care about winning. Even bad times manage to get a few wins.


They were literally hired to do exactly what they are doing.

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I wonder if Sashi even cares. He's not interested in winning, he's set this organization back years with his stupid decisions.


He's not interested in winning because that was the plan all along. He did what he was hired to do. It's not like Haslam hired him thinking he was trying to win games right away.


1 win in 2 years is not acceptable. If the FO doesn't care about winning, they need to be replaced with someone who does care about winning. Even bad times manage to get a few wins.


They were literally hired to do exactly what they are doing.


They were hired to constantly pass up on impact players in the draft? What makes you think the Harvard boys will ever care about winning?


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I wonder if Sashi even cares. He's not interested in winning, he's set this organization back years with his stupid decisions.


He's not interested in winning because that was the plan all along. He did what he was hired to do. It's not like Haslam hired him thinking he was trying to win games right away.


1 win in 2 years is not acceptable. If the FO doesn't care about winning, they need to be replaced with someone who does care about winning. Even bad times manage to get a few wins.


They were literally hired to do exactly what they are doing.


They were hired to constantly pass up on impact players in the draft? What makes you think the Harvard boys will ever care about winning?


They were hired to be bad in the beginning, I think that is very clear. They have done that by gutting the team and only providing the coaches very young players. They [obviously] aren't passing on impact players intentionally (although sometimes it seems like they are). There is definitely a process to what they are doing.

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We had more to offer than the 49'ers. I just get the feeling JG did not want to be a Brown and let it be known. The Pat's obliged him.

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Originally Posted By: cfrs15
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I wonder if Sashi even cares. He's not interested in winning, he's set this organization back years with his stupid decisions.


He's not interested in winning because that was the plan all along. He did what he was hired to do. It's not like Haslam hired him thinking he was trying to win games right away.


1 win in 2 years is not acceptable. If the FO doesn't care about winning, they need to be replaced with someone who does care about winning. Even bad times manage to get a few wins.


They were literally hired to do exactly what they are doing.


They were hired to constantly pass up on impact players in the draft? What makes you think the Harvard boys will ever care about winning?


They were hired to be bad in the beginning, I think that is very clear. They have done that by gutting the team and only providing the coaches very young players. They [obviously] aren't passing on impact players intentionally (although sometimes it seems like they are). There is definitely a process to what they are doing.


I call BS! You always make excuses for the FO and throw crap towards Hue. That is your right, but I think you are wrong in your evaluations.

I don't think the plan was Haslams. I think Haslam was sold a plan authored by a fork-tongued lawyer.

It sounds real good to talk about how we are building for the future and not being held accountable for a team's record and then placing the blame on the coaching staff.

Screw Sashi. His ass needs to go!

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The entire NFL community knew we were tanking, if Haslam didn't know that's what he signed up for then that's on him.

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The entire NFL community knew we were tanking, if Haslam didn't know that's what he signed up for then that's on him.


What? That isn't what you said. You said he hired them to be bad. I do not think that is true. Now, start spinning and act like I am the one talking out of my butt. You're good at it.

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The entire NFL community knew we were tanking, if Haslam didn't know that's what he signed up for then that's on him.


What? That isn't what you said. You said he hired them to be bad. I do not think that is true. Now, start spinning and act like I am the one talking out of my butt. You're good at it.


This is what I said:

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They were hired to be bad in the beginning, I think that is very clear. They have done that by gutting the team and only providing the coaches very young players. They [obviously] aren't passing on impact players intentionally (although sometimes it seems like they are). There is definitely a process to what they are doing.

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The entire NFL community knew we were tanking, if Haslam didn't know that's what he signed up for then that's on him.


how could he have not known that's what he signed up for? We took it down to the "studs".

starting Kizer was a mistake to me. But if it is trial by fire for Kizer then so be it. I believe in that too.

Kizer said Hue really doesn't do installments for his offense, he kinda throws it all at you...ok fine. trial by fire does work in my job site, but there will be 3rd degree burns along the way. in that approach. but I know first hand from my empoyees that once you learn by trial by fire, you never forget.

I can see the "one" installment at a time until you get "it" too. and then move on to the next one. both to me have merit.

ahh. musing from the druken dawgpound101.


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I know what you said. I am not stupid.

Perhaps, you misspoke, but what in the hell does this mean?

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You either are denying your intent or you need to learn to articulate your ideas a bit more succinctly.

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They were hired to be bad in the beginning


You either are denying your intent or you need to learn to articulate your ideas a bit more succinctly.


Maybe I wasn't clear. I am saying they were hired to be bad, meaning they were always going to tank. Haslam knew what he signed up for.

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Here's what just kills me, and makes me wonder about the front office.

I am no Jimmy G fan, but I think that he is head and shoulders above McCarron ......

We didn't even get in on Jimmy G .... who would have cost us our 2nd round pick ..... but we were willing to hand over a 2nd and a 3rd for McCarron??? crazy

That's scary.


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Originally Posted By: YTownBrownsFan
Here's what just kills me, and makes me wonder about the front office.

I am no Jimmy G fan, but I think that he is head and shoulders above McCarron ......

We didn't even get in on Jimmy G .... who would have cost us our 2nd round pick ..... but we were willing to hand over a 2nd and a 3rd for McCarron??? crazy

That's scary.


It was a panic move all the way through.

(McCarron's contract situation is a little better, but the talent is not close.)

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Here's what I think really happened:

Hue went completely apecrap when he found out about Garrapolo.

Sashi tried the Mccarron thing to placate Hue.

Sashi had the trade intentionally sabotaged to avoid giving up picks for a not so good QB. But he could tell Hue he tried.


LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I haven't commented about McCaarron, but I am damn glad we screwed up. LOL

I don't like him as a qb at all. Extremely overrated and not a very good teammate.

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Originally Posted By: Rishuz
Here's what I think really happened:

Hue went completely apecrap when he found out about Garrapolo.

Sashi tried the Mccarron thing to placate Hue.

Sashi had the trade intentionally sabotaged to avoid giving up picks for a not so good QB. But he could tell Hue he tried.


I said almost this exact same thing early on in the McCarron thread. I don't actually think it happened, but it wouldn't surprise me if it did.

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It's pathetic they were even trying for Mccarron.


LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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