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If We are making a Jersey, with Couch at the top,

Does McCarron go on it, or how about Osweiller, hmm.

Really it's water under the bridge, it matters pretty much Not at all.


Maybe this team is learning, by finding out What "not" to do.

I can hope for that much.

I said "ouch" because was talking about Hue Jackson panic trading for Carson Palmer when Jason Campbell got hurt while he was in charge of the Raiders.

failed to get jimmy G
tried to trade for AJ
even bothed that one apparently

coach winning one game in 2 years only because of a botched field goal.

Ok who is next? this regime is done from top to bottom.

I know why you said "ouch."

But if that was an "ouch," what the hell was Sashi leaving at 5:00 and not making a play for Jimmy G?

Because he's bad at his job?

Good Lord! We are not only incompetent but stupid as well. Offering a 2nd and a 3rd for McCarron?!?!

and then not calling it in to the nfl?

now the browns are trying to say they should still get him....this is getting funny. bengals turned it in on time

To be fair, I never considered it from this perspective, but reading that: Hue somewhat deserves credit.

The rumoured price for McCarron aside, Hue got annihilated just last week following Duke Johnson's comments that Kizer doesn't have a veteran to learn from. So Jackson attempt to get a back-up who knows the system and could be incredibly helpful in that regard.

Hue has also been accused of focusing on the future rather than winning in the present. If Hue wanted a trade, he clearly thinks McCarron can win now. I like Kizer, and I'm not a fan of McCarron, but I can see how a veteran with experience is more desirable.

In that regard, it's hard to refute the trade. I think the rumoured price is too much. I think going maybe 4-4 with a veteran would not make me feel better over the second half of the season. I also think McCarron is not a long-term answer. But he's trying something that isn't unrealistic.

Maybe I'm just defensive of my team, but I do feel like too many people hate it just because it's the Browns.

The 49ers trade for Jimmy Garappolo, who has 94 career passes, and people are already writing that they have a "franchise quarterback" to lead them. I'd bet my bottom dollar the narrative would be different with us.

On something of a side note, I don't think this bodes well for the 2018 draft class.

I noticed this week that former Redskins GM, Scot McCloughan, said he would take Baker Mayfield over any of the top quarterbacks in the class, even though he thinks three quarterbacks go in the top 10 and five quarterbacks go in the first round. The 49ers, who are 0-8 and were probably more likely to get the first pick than us, opted for Jimmy Garappolo. We attempt to trade for McCarron and Hue hasn't shied away from saying he does think Kizer has long-term prospects with this team.

That just doesn't seem to me like teams who are eagerly awaiting the opportunity to select the names who are upcoming. They've all struggled. It isn't a very clear quarterback class: All talented, none close to definitive.

https://foxsportsradio.iheart.com/content/2017-10-17-scot-mccloughan-is-a-big-fan-of-baker-mayfield/

Not sure the point here.

They are both beyond bad at their job and deserve to be fired.

j/c:

Marvin Lewis.....the source trying to help out his boy.

j/c

This whole situation is as clear as mud. Let the dust settle and then see who is left standing. IMO, it is essential that the FO make a public statement...a State Of The Union message.

You don't give up a 2nd AND a 3rd for a backup. AJ was coming to play. The writing is on the wall the DK, he is done in Cleveland. Hue is trying to save face and keep DK hopes up.

Man, I how ya'll think DK feels walking into work today? 0-16 without a doubt in my mind

IMO the FO needs to be canned.

Also, I am so sick of this. Every year, we hear "next years qb class is going to be great, soooo many qbs coming out that are top talent blah blah blah" Then it gets closer to time to draft and its "oh well there isn't realllllllllyyyyy a number 1 guy. blah blah blah".

Wentz wasn't #1, Goff wasn't #1, Watson wasn't #1, etc etc.

Goff went #1 overall so...not really. Point remains, there is always a QB to find.

If Jason LaCanfora is to be believed, Nick Caserio as GM and Josh McDaniel as HC.

Goff did, but there was still was a consensus that he was not worth drafting that high in the draft.

didn't McDaniel already turn down a HC position elsewhere to stay with NE. I highly doubt he would want to come here when he has turned down offers elsewhere. JMO

Bring it on!

Just get these clowns out of here, especially the FO.

One mission. Find the QB. Several opportunities to do so. Purposely did not.

That's several egregious fireable offenses.

Don't even wait until after the bye. Call Sashi into your office and get it done today. Call Depo in La Jolla and leave him a message to call you back when he gets back from Sea World. When you see his caller ID answer by saying you're fired and hang up. Tell Berry he can run the ship until the end of the season.

You have to start now getting guys in place. Next years off season is too important.

If this was already written in stone don't you think we'd at least would have been involved in the JG trade?

https://twitter.com/KenCarman/status/925690744781844482

The disagreement that swooped in at the final hour was "common sense".

Unfortunately there is nothing common about the sense this organization has.

This is the Browns trying to save face. They effed up the paperwork, they are incompetent. There are three things that happened

1. the browns are inept and didn't know the trade deadline
2. the browns are inept and didn't know the trade rules regarding paperwork
3. the browns decided they didn't want the trade and changed their mind on a deal that was agreed too

either way, they are inept, and if its #3 - what team in their right mind would want to do business with this FO seeing that in the future????

Cannot stress enough how much I do not want that combo.

John Dorsey is just sitting there, doing nothing. He is on a silver platter for the Browns. Go get him

Again, depending on whether you feel LaCanfora is a credible source ... he says that the possibility of Caserio & McDaniel coming here is why BB wouldn't deal JG to Cleveland. I don't know why he thinks that.

Josh McDaniels im sure learned A LOT from his screw ups in Denver and won't repeat them.

Nick Caserio would be a good GM for us, and honestly....we would finally be following the New England way to a tee, and it has the credibility for the fans to stick to it for more then 2 years, it could be just what we need to turn things around.

A Bengals' source is not a Browns' source. Jackson is pretty good/honest telling where his information comes from. In this case, he said "Bengals".

Another thing-- This team has completed nearly 20 trades in 18 months. You think they don't know how to complete trade paperwork and understand guidelines?

I think there is FAR more to this story than we'll know. That's my take.

I think I'm finally starting to figure out the advanced analytics! McCarron was a 5th, we offered a 3 and a 2... 3+2=5. These guys are a lot sharper than we give them credit for!

From the Cincinnati Equirer:

How the Cleveland Browns’ trade for Cincinnati Bengals quarterback AJ McCarron fell apart

On Wednesday afternoon, AJ McCarron will be at his locker in the Cincinnati Bengals locker room and having to, again, answer questions about why he is, well, at his locker and not at a press conference being introduced as the newest Cleveland Browns quarterback.

The Enquirer communicated with six league sources with knowledge of the broken deal between the two AFC North rivals, first reported by ESPN’s Adam Schefter, and the unspectacular crux of it is this: the clock ran out.

And both teams missed out.

The Enquirer learned the Bengals would have received second- and third-round picks in the 2018 draft. After compensatory picks were handed out for departed free agents, the Bengals would have likely had 12 total selections and six in the first three rounds.

McCarron would finally get his chance to play regularly and compete to land a long-term starting job and the Browns would have gotten a quarterback their coaching staff was familiar with and believed in.

As a matter of club policies, neither the Browns nor the Bengals make official statements on trade discussions.

The matter of why time ran out is another story.

The day began with the Browns calling the Bengals to initiate talks – discussions the Bengals were reluctant to participate in – resulting in offers and counteroffers.

The long-time price tag of a first-round pick for McCarron had dropped, but at some point during the day the Bengals made it clear there was no more room for negotiation.

About an hour before the deadline, the Browns rejected the final set of terms the Bengals had put forth – McCarron for the two draft picks.

Then, within 20 minutes of the 4 p.m. deadline (there is some dispute over the timestamps reported by ESPN) – Cleveland reversed course.

In that window, Bengals president Mike Brown was called by the Browns and told they would indeed accept the terms the Bengals previously laid out.

The deal was, unofficially, done.

So, the Bengals signed and filed their version of the agreed-upon deal just before the deadline. The Cleveland Plain-Dealer reported that the Bengals copied the Browns on that filing.

The Browns sent a copy of the deal to the Bengals, but The Enquirer confirmed the original ESPN report that the Browns did not send anything to the league. (That was also confirmed by The Cleveland Plain Dealer.)

Multiple sources The Enquirer spoke to felt the delay, and ultimate improper handling of the final moments before 4 p.m., was due to a lack of a consensus between the personnel department and coaching staff in Cleveland regarding McCarron.

A league official told The Enquirer that the necessary paperwork to consummate a trade was not filed at 4 p.m.

A league source confirmed the Browns did appeal to have the deal accepted but ESPN reported that plea was denied.

What makes a backup QB trade happen
The next part of this journey for McCarron and the Browns will play out in the offseason.

He is currently considered a restricted free agent, which means the Bengals can place first, second or original round (fifth) tenders on him. Should a team sign him, they would send the Bengals that corresponding draft pick. Or, the Bengals could match the offer and keep him on the roster.

But, McCarron is disputing that status. He maintains he will actually be an unrestricted free agent, having accrued a full season toward free agency despite an injury-shortened rookie year. An independent arbitrator will make that decision, likely after the season concludes.

In Cleveland, the Browns will have another shot at making this deal -- or deciding to draft another quarterback, sign a free agent or package picks to make a run at someone else.

So where does that leave everyone?

Exactly where they were on Monday.

McCarron will once again have to refocus on the season at hand and prepare for Jacksonville, and the Browns will hunker down during their bye week and try to chart a course to find a victory in their final eight games.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/...part/820005001/

Literally every other report and source is saying different than Ken Carmen. I will go with the majority on this one. didn't they do something similar with the broncos and joe Thomas?

I'm not quoting Ken Carmen.

If Hue wanted a veteran to mentor Kizer, Why didn't we just keep McCown?

Just saying.... bleh, so frustrated with the Browns right now.

j/c

Us not trading for McCarron is a win, no matter how it did not happen.

I don't know enough about McCarron to know how bad a trade that would be for Cleveland. . . The way this has played out, to me seems most likely that Haslam might be in Hue's camp more than Sashi's camp. Just seems like that with the offer for McCarron being so out of the normal M.O of Sahsi ...

I can see the rationale for posters speculating that Sashi sabotaged the trade on purpose - but I think he's smart enough to realize that would seal his fate.... it may already be sealed after this week.

j/c:

I have a question. If the Browns did not botch the filing of the paperwork and there was a difference of opinion in the building which resulted in them not filing the paperork on time, why did they appeal to the NFL to validate the trade?

It sounds to me like the FO made another blunder. They didn't get Pryor's messages on time. They leave the building at 5:00 the day before the trade deadline. They didn't initiate new talks w/the Pats about Garoppolo as the trade deadline approached. And now this.

One word is screaming out from all their various moves: Incompetence.

Great point Vers, If it looks like a duck, huh? All the evidence and reports point to the EXACT same type of incompetence, which is the FO just doesn't care. leaving early, not taking calls/texts, not filing paperwork correctly, etc.

I just saw this in the FO thread. It somewhat addresses my question and sentiments.

I guess all that Harvard education didn't cover on how to read a clock
On the wall.
I wonder how the homers will defend the front office now

Yikes. AJ Mccaron is a veteran QB who can provide leadership? Ken Dorsey lite?