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Yep, the Browns FO are victims of a conspiracy.............Again!

Btw-------------I am so looking forward to your posts on each and every time Jimmy G throws an incompletion.

He won't if he doesn't play!

Keep that draft pick high for Billy.

this team is dumb....we are ok.... or is it we are dumb for following a lame team for decades?

our best players have been mccutcheon, travis benjamin, josh cribbs and hillis, joe thomas in the last 20 years

Haden and ward made all pro.

lol hold on now buddy.

let's not forget about joe jurevicius

I would take four of him and call our WR position good lol

I believe this is why Vambo was hinting at Garoppolo not playing....

Kyle Shanahan: Jimmy Garoppolo might not play in 2017

"I can't promise you guys that he'll play this year," Shanahan told reporters Wednesday. "I know that we have a guy that we're excited about, and I know has the ability to help us and help this team in the future. That's what I mean by 'well we didn't do this just to save this year.' ... We did this because we feel this will improve our team and our organization."

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i agree....thats 2 more in the last 20

Uhmmm............I already addressed that. I believe that Vambo was bad-mouthing JG in order to protect the FO.

Of course, we are all entitled to our own opinions on such matters.

opinions are subjective..i agree. we deserve better... if not, we are supposed to lose because our owner was a steelers co owner so we are supposed to lose.

What exactly did I say bad about Jimmy G?
How did my post protect the FO?

Lol. You've started arguments with and insulted people in threads 1-5. That's a big fat accomplishment there.

j/c:

Chris Mortensen was on ESPN yesterday and added some additional color to his tweet that previously said the Browns had no shot at JG. I'm paraphrasing here and will try to find text/audiio but the gist of it was this:

JG's agent wanted him in SF and was doing whatever he could to get him there. Not only did Cleveland not have a shot, but really no one else did either. If compensation was comparable, JG was heading to SF.

deputy, can the redskins franchise cousins again? I think they have done so twice. if they cannot I would offer him the keys to the kingdom to come here, add offensive weapons via draft and free agency and turn our offense into a force to be reckoned with. if we continue to fail to fix the qb spot we will continue to flounder.

They can, but it would be a ridiculous number. Something like $34 million because it increases a huge percentage every time after the 1st year.

Pretty sure if you called Robert Kraft about a players availability the response you got would be, "Heck, I don't know. Call Belichick."


This part I agree with.. Haslam's real screw up was giving the keys to Sashi in the first place..

But in my opinion, beyond that it is not on Haslam to know which players are available and which players we should go after, etc...

I don't think JG wanted to be here and he let it be known to anyone who would listen. Can you blame him?

Now you are trying to drag the owners in to this. Unless you want a owner like Jerry who runs the ship, the owners let their people take care of those things.

You can't say on one day you want the owner to butt out and leave the decisions to the decision makes, then the next wonder why he wasn't calling other teams about players.

I am not sticking up for anyone at this point, but do we know we didn't ask about JG??

Also, if the FO didn't want JG, why would they ask about him? I am not saying I agreee with that, but if the decision was made that we didn't want him, why would that change on the deadline day? I am not as upset we may not have called about him, but I don't agree with that scouting. I am upset we may have people in place who think that Kizer is their guy. After all that Kizer has gone through....rushed to start, benched, pulled from games, saw his coach pretty much force a crappy trade for a marginal QB from Cincy, the guy is done. He will never make it as a QB in Cleveland.

My only problem with that is why would you offer the same or more draft capital for A.J. McCarron as the 49'ers paid for JG?

Because certain people are desperate.

I like Darnold, but I think he's staying in school for another year.

1. did we have a chance in getting JG? === NO. But the fact that the FO wasn't on top of the effort to get a shot is something they own.

2. did Hue want him? === YES. Hard to be sure in all the rapid posts and speculation but i am sure I read a link saying Hue liked JG and McCarron.

3. We know we messed up the McCarron deal which I think was more ammo then what the Patriots got. === YES - we fk'd up the process which is hard to believe given how many trades this team has executed. I don't think we know the facts here. We look like fools but I don't know if this is truly on the FO or not.

4. JG might be great or he might not...lets see him in an evironment that is not Patriots football. == I agree - but for my money I think a 2nd rounder and an extra pick (4th or a next year 3rd) would be great value. . . I like JG quick release and pro-mentality and the fact he has been with Tom Brady for a couple years. . . I think he has more physical tools than Hoyer and I think Hoyer benefited from being exposed to the goat.

5. Cannot the NFL penalize the 49ers for an obvious suck for the pick scenario. Who invests in a Franchise QB that is NOT A ROOKIE and then not play them for an entire half of the season?
that has to be some sort of violation? === It's coach speech. It's like saying Myles Garrett isn't going to start and he has to earn his spot. I don't read that as 49ers tanking - and I bet JG starts within 3-4 weeks.

6. If we really want McCarron the trade will still be out there in the off season. Its just Hue would suffer I hope not too much in the realm that we might have won 4-6 games the second half with him??? Who knows. === I think Hue wants to win now. I think like many fans, he feels that continuous losing is a bad thing for the attitude and mentality of the team. It's what drives him to yank Kizer when we have played games that we could have won.

7. Did Cousins paint himself in a corner or what? Screw him. === I missed whatever that refers to. I'd pursue Cousins very aggressively. Heck I'd make him the highest paid QB in the NFL if he signed a contract that was structured so we could keep him for 5-6 years (a front loaded contract so it doesn't escalate into crazy 5th and 6th year salary).

8. Shanny has always been a rather brilliant OC. I personally thought he didn't have the social skills to be an HC. But people can change and possibly a lot of his negatives was 2nd guessing the guy in charge now that he is the BMOC he is good?
We will see last I looked he is 0-8? same as Hue this season. == there team is as bad as ours right now. Getting JG to me speaks well of his chances. He is a very very very good OC. He was in Cleveland at a bad time and came across as a malcontent - but with everything that has come out since he left, maybe he was the sane one.

I like Hue and I think he is being screwed this year regarding his QB situation. McCown and now McCarron. He wants to start winning! I agree with him. Shame and I think the FO has screwed him not intentionally just from MISTAKES that are in their control! == Yes - agree.

I agree, but I am a Browns fan and have learned not to get my hopes up.

I'm first looking at FA's and even if we manage to get a Cousins or a Smith in FA would still be looking at QB's in the draft.

You keep trying to grab QB's until you are certain that you have one.

Between the other teams that tank and us, we're the only ones who nobody questions whether we did it intentionally.

Would you choose the Browns in FA if your were Cousins and Smith? I wouldn't.

Our best shot to get a good qb is via the draft or a trade.

That depends on the offer and what those FA's are looking for. There have been plenty of FA's that have signed with us in the past for many different reasons.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/11/02/49ers-place-pierre-garcon-on-injured-reserve/

Garcon on IR, sure takes away JG's big weapon to throw to when he does play.

I read that and I wondered how many former Brady back ups they've gone with and where they are today. So I searched it.

What I found is that none of them have lived up to the hype so far. Of course, that doesn't mean th at Garrapolo won't take the 49ers to the Superbowl.... But odds are, not.

http://www.businessinsider.com/where-are...put-gronk-on-21

At this point, I want the Browns to just sign Kaepernick. We ruin every QB that comes here and destroy the careers of just about anybody who enters the doors of Berea. Might as well use our powers for good instead of evil.

McCarron will likely be a RFA (I believe subject to some arbitration process)...the Kittens could put a 1st Rd tender on him and pay him $4mil if no one bites. I wouldn't hold out hope for getting McC anytime soon.

At least Haslem would be out of the collusion conversation.

I think he got that done himself without the aide of the Browns haha.

Report: 49ers may not ink Garoppolo to long-term deal, could sign or draft QB

https://www.thescore.com/news/1414713

Having given up a second-round pick for Jimmy Garoppolo, most assumed the San Francisco 49ers viewed him as their long-term option under center.

However, that might not be the case.

The 49ers could still use their potential top-2 pick in the 2018 NFL Draft to select a quarterback or a significant portion of their $60 million in cap space to sign a free-agent quarterback such as Kirk Cousins, sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter.

If San Francisco takes either of those routes, they could franchise tag Garoppolo and then attempt to trade him. There would be interest in Garoppolo and the 49ers could get more than the second-rounder they gave up for him, added Schefter.

Garoppolo is set to be active in Week 9, but C.J. Beathard will continue as the starter until the newly acquired pivot is ready to take over.

Lol that would suck. Burn up the capital of the draft picks given for what, some games of play?