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Over the Browns ~ 67 years in the NFL, no team has consistently dominated the Browns like the Detroit Lions.
Go figure.
Not Denver, Not Pittsburgh Not Oakland (Raiders)
The Browns are 4-15 against Detroit regular season.
4 wins in the last 67 years.(not counting 1-3 in postseason)
That’s an average of 1 win every ~16 years.
This has gotta be a good sign. We're overdue.
You could argue Denver. But we have beaten Denver 5 times in the last 47 years (we didn’t first play Denver until 1970). Or 1 win every ~ 9 years.
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The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.
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I thought the Browns, were their own worst enemy.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I agree. We always lose to the Lions.
Maybe this is the trap game.
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How long has it been since we managed to overcome our own lousy play? We have to beat us, the zebras, and then the other team. Long odds, indeed!
Let's just go win one. Just to get that monkey off our back.
Play ball!
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we are the lions without stafford...and minus tate.
I`m good with Baker... Playoffs is good enough for me.
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we are the lions without stafford...and minus tate. and their good uniforms (my favorite in the NFL)
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I have always liked the Lions uni's.
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paraphrasing 'peen & D4L I can see that. 
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Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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Good tune. And apropos. (fitting) I need to commit more time to Johnny Cash tunes on football sunday. Especially AT FOLSAM PRISON
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This game is winnable. The Lions are 1-3 at home and can't run the ball. They only average 1 to 2 yards per carry. Plus they are having trouble scoring TDs in the red zone and are settling for FGs instead.
T.J. Lang may not play. The Browns can win if they shut down the Lions passing game and pressure Stafford.
The Lions are known for losing to teams they should beat. No one in Detroit is giving the Browns a chance and think this is an automatic win for the Lions. I'm not so sure. This could be an upset that most people are not expecting.
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Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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I don't think the Browns are going 0-16 and this is one of the games they could win. Would be ironic if they beat the Lions who did have an 0-16 season. Keep the faith PitDAWG.
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It's more winnable than most of our other games but until we prove we can win, it's hard to imagine any of them as actually winnable.. though I agree, I don't think we will go 0-16... but when/if we win one, it will be somewhat of a surprise.
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I would agree. The whole NFL world sees us as a train wreck, especially after the bye week and non-trade incident. There would be no bigger surprise than winning this game.
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Dawg Citizen above: Would be ironic if they beat the Lions who did have an 0-16 season. Talk about ironies! So get this: The season the Lions went "winless" (2008), THEY BEAT THE BROWNS!!! In the preseason. In fact the Lions went 4-0 in the 2008 preseason before following it up going 0-16 in the regular season. Wait. That sounds familiar. Uh oh. 
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Dawg Citizen above: Would be ironic if they beat the Lions who did have an 0-16 season. Talk about ironies! So get this: The season the Lions went "winless" (2008), THEY BEAT THE BROWNS!!! In the preseason. In fact the Lions went 4-0 in the 2008 preseason before following it up going 0-16 in the regular season. Wait. That sounds familiar. Uh oh. That's eerie, twilight zone music playing. A lot of Metro Detroit Browns Backers will be at the game, including me.
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I'm not saying we can't win, but the fact that Detroit doesn't run the ball well might not be to our advantage. Our pass defense is weak and might get really taken advantage of if Detroit throws it a lot.
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Undefeated preseason champs hahaha. That shirt was as funny to me as the first time I saw it.
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I see this game as being a fairly easy win for Detroit.
Stafford will pick the secondary apart with Tate and Jones Jr. Theo Riddick could have a big day pass catching as well.
Lions - 27
Browns - 10
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This game is winnable. The Lions are 1-3 at home and can't run the ball. They only average 1 to 2 yards per carry. Plus they are having trouble scoring TDs in the red zone and are settling for FGs instead.
T.J. Lang may not play. The Browns can win if they shut down the Lions passing game and pressure Stafford.
The Lions are known for losing to teams they should beat. No one in Detroit is giving the Browns a chance and think this is an automatic win for the Lions. I'm not so sure. This could be an upset that most people are not expecting. I agree ... I don’t see how Lang could play ... he just got in the concussion protocol yesterday ... would be STUNNED if he gets cleared .. Add to that their coming off a Monday night game ... were getting MG back for sure ... hopefully McCourty also ... We’ve had 2 weeks to game plan for them .. We could win this one ... Don’t worry about Pit .. hes just being a negative Nancy and thinks cause were 0 - 8 we will never win ...
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Can't run the ball and give up on average 3.2 Sacks per game - that screams of them having a poor OLine; we should be able to get good pressure in Stafford's face all game and that should help our secondary quite a bit.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Agree 100% ... especially with MG back ...
It would help immensely if we get McCourty back ...
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Might not happen, but wouldn't it be something if we finished the season 8-8 after the bye week, hope is all I have to hang onto at this point, I BELIEVE, DO YOU?
LETS GET THIS RIGHT FELLAS...ENOUGH LOSING IS ENOUGH!
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I usually really like watching Matt Stafford play. He can make any throw from any arm slot - great "arm talent" QB. I have a feeling I'm not going to like watching him so much this week because I think he might torch the Browns secondary. NFC North might not be the best division in the league but they had some great arms at QB for a long time between Rodgers, Stafford, and Cutler.
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Don’t worry about Pit .. hes just being a negative Nancy and thinks cause were 0 - 8 we will never win ...
If you mean against a team that's playing .500 ball and actually has a legit QB., you're right.
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We’ll see Sunday Pit ... U act like we have zero chance to win ... Do i think were going to win? .. no .. i’m not a moron ... Do i think we have a chance ... ABSOLUTELY .... For u to dismiss us having any shot of winning against a very beatable Lions team because we haven’t won yet is just BS and quite frankly MORONIC ... this isn’t the Iggles were playing .... Your in the running for president of my newest group ... the NEGATIVE NANCY CLAN .... 
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Last I saw, Browns were 12 point dawgs.
In the NFL, historically (and that includes now) 12 point underdawgs win:
3.33% * 12 = 40%
40% + 50% = 90% (times a 12 point favorite wins)
12 point underdawgs win 10% of the time.
But of course that's the Observable Universe.
Which theoretically includes the Browns.
But that's only a theory.
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Well I guess you have to put everyone in a box or a group. Labeling people is so much fun. Who says an old dog can't learn new tricks?
I'll give you the line since you seem to enjoy blowing hot air. Hot air is free. lmao
PM me since you think it's worth throwing crap over. I'll give you the line and you can back up some of that hot air. lol
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10% chance is about what I give us each week to be honest, maybe sometimes it's 25% TOPS
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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10% chance is about what I give us each week to be honest, maybe sometimes it's 25% TOPS Can I borrow your orange colored glasses? 
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Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Meh...
I hate sports history. That doesnt prove anything.
Its pretty much like saying a Bear should beat a Dolphin... Or a Giant could crush a Buccaneer...
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Meh...
I hate sports history. That doesnt prove anything.
Its pretty much like saying a Bear should beat a Dolphin... Or a Giant could crush a Buccaneer... Then why don't you bet $1,000 on the Browns to win. Straight-up? It proves to me that our elementary school's are sorely lagging behind in mathematics and logic. At least the one you went to.
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Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off!
Go Browns!
CHRIST HAS RISEN!
GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
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10% chance is about what I give us each week to be honest, maybe sometimes it's 25% TOPS When it gets close to 25 percent... is there alcohol or drugs involved? Just messin'. Me personally I'm watching this game, but I'm real and my expectations are extremely low and so forth. A win would be outright awesome. Also likely outright insane for thinking we can squeeze one of those out.
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I say Browns shock us and get their first win of the season 17-13. Hey, one can only hope.
GO BROWNS!
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