DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Josh Gordon Reinstated Part II

He hasn't played the first one yet!

I'm thinking he'll make it to the end of the season. After that? All bets are off.

Hoping for the best, but.... you know.

First game back, 4 catches for 85 yards.

With any decent qb, he would’ve gone for 120 and 2 TDs

I agree.I was expecting some rust but he looked like he was never suspended.If our QB could get him the ball he would of had 2 TDS and probably won the game for us.

Dude is a physical freak. Not sure if people who never played football can appreciate how amazing it is that this dude has missed that much time and was still able to hold up physically [and excel] in his first game back.

Freaking incredible.

If he could of gotten himself clean when he was younger and played with a real QB I think Gordon could have put himself in the Hall of Fame.

Well he still has a good chance if he can stay clean. That is a big if though.

my thoughts exactly my friend.

come in and practice for two weeks and come out like that? lol yup I am happy he is back...praying for him to stay clean...for....footb..I mean for his personal growth...jk hmmm maybe a tad selfish on my part.

LOL

He looked great. Sadly that boned us. Hue got so excited this week in practice he ignored the logical game plan of running it down their throat. I'm sorry to say this, but Hue may be stupid.

the problem with your post is that Hue's gameplan had WR's running wild. we also averaged 4 yards a carry between Crow and Kizer. But no gameplan is gonna work when your QB is throwing less than 50% because he's missing said WR's running wild.

Yeah... Going into the game with an air attack was the right way to go with an inexperienced, inaccurate QB against a top rated secondary. I can totally see how you see this as Kizer's fault.

yes, i blame the QB for not being accurate enough to hit wide open WR's. you don't need to be experienced to hit open targets.

that's about as straightforward as one can get.

Hell, even Weeden was able to go out there and essentially play catch with Gordon that year he went off for 1600 yards.

Simple question: who put him in that position?

Kizer’s been SOOOOOOOOOoooooooo ACCURATE the rest of the year ...

I dont really understand the argument that a QB thats been inaccurate all YEAR was .... INNACURATE ... what a SHOCKER .... that makes a lot of sense ...

To be inaccurate? He did.

Kizer can't execute simple NFL plays. 3 step drop, 8 yard completion to a wide open WR who's CB is playing soft coverage. Sails over the WR's head. Simple? Not for Kizer.

Quick slant? Throw it at the WR's feet.

The lack of being able to execute simple plays consistently puts the team in a bind. It's maddening. Can't build any rhythm or momentum.

He makes the occasional splash play. But it's too few and far between all the bad stuff.

Kiser’s articulate, I think he’ll make a good tv announcer.

This is one of the few games I don't really question Hue's playcalling.

Hue tried to run, but it seemed like we ended up in a lot of 2nd and 12s. Once there, we were in passing situations. Plays were there on the pass calls, we just didn't hit enough of them.

I'll have to look at the film, but I'm guessing Kizer was feeling the pass rush, so he wasn't finishing his throws with confidence. Unfamiliarity with Gordon could play in also, causing him to think too much. As a result, they were sailing on him.

This may not be fair, but that doesn't mean it is wrong. Kizer played poorly despite my trusting Hue. Adding Gordon changed very little. Hue has dumped a bunch of time and practice into Kizer who still hurts us a bunch with missed throws, indecision, strip sacks and part of that is a lack of protection.

The amount of time, reps, practice to get him to the level he is playing at has to hurt some of the team. Add to it no vet to help him and give background support, and it is a lock. I have started to follow the Texans closely.

To be fair to Hue it's not like we have some great alternative to Kizer atm ...

Oh, I did. But at the same time there were also some really good play calls. For example, I think there was a 3rd and short early in the game that ended up going to DeValve. It was the perfect call, IMO, and excuted well.

However, handing off the ball to Duke Johnson, up the middle, on 4th and 1 was idiotic. If you were going to run it, a QB sneak or something to Crowell would have been given us a better chance that your smallest RB. Duke has performed well in between the tackles this season, but when you know what's coming, calling Duke's number made zero sense to me.

However, cfrs stated, after being at the game, that tons of wideouts are open. So I have to assume much of the issues in moving the ball equally lie with Kizer just as much as people have criticized play calling.

You go with Kizer for the rest of the season. That much is obvious.

It's not his play calling per se that I'm questioning, Grimm. It's overall strategy. It's week-to-week game planning, and it's in game decision making I'm wondering about. You are clearly looking at this with reason, and I appreciate that. And I don't want to seem unfair or knee jerk Hue out of here. But I do have to say, I was angry most of the game (contrary to the past two weeks where I enjoyed the games and saw hints of progress). There were things I liked (Njoku, Gordon, Duke's effort...) and there were some pretty throws and decent movement of the ball at times. But overall, the game pi$$ed me off and it was a combination of Kizer's poor play and Hue's need to sling the ball in spite of every factor (inexperienced, inaccurate QB, porous run D, questionable receivers, rookie TE, excellent running last week, etc.) telling him to shorten his game and pound the rock. (Watching them march up and down the field on our D didn't help either. It would have been a blowout if Rivers was a better QB).

JMHO

What are you babbling about?

I thought the catch Gordon made on the deep sideline throw was awesome. He high pointed the ball and secured it w/just his hands while it was getting swatted by the corner. Incredible hand strength.

The guy amazed me. Not sure how he can not play for 3 years and still perform as well as he did in his first game back. You would think that taking those hits would have been more than he could handle.

He's an athletic freak of nature.

He did. He looked great. And that was an amazing grab and show of hand strength. He even almost made couple impossible catches off terrible throws. Man, I hope he stays sober.

Me too. I think his presence really opened things up for us. Njoku really benefited from having Josh on the field. We had guys open all over. We just need a qb who can throw the ball accurately.

man we've been saying this since 99.

Never was it more true than yesterday.

Yes, maybe Hue should have kept McCown.

Not a McCown fan, but I'll jump on the wagon that says he could have won some games.

...then they replaced their coach and now they're in first place!

McCown is yet another year older and is flourishing with the lowly Jets. He couldn't run Hue's offense last year - no one could - so I doubt he could run it this year. The common denominator is Hue and an anemic offense.

Looking forward to the next gm that cuts ogbah,garrett,gordon,
and Coleman because there not his players.

We could trade JG for a 1 or a 2 now. Plus Kap is still avail.

I'm surprising myself here.. I'm going to wonder if Kizer CAN be accurate, he young, he doesn't have the benefit of a veteran like McCown to nurture him, the game is still too fast for him and he's missing a LT thats going to be a first ballot HoFer.

We NEED to get an experienced FA QB the second FA starts up. I'm thinking when the game slows down, and Kizer can relax, have some weapons, a full training camp with those weapons that his confidence then his accuracy goes up.

U were involved the conversation I was reffering to ..

The menZa u were discussing with made the argument passing the ball all day long was a GOOD GAME PLAN and it didn’t work because Kizer was innacurate ...

I said it’s DUMB AS HELL to think Kizer’s all of a sudden going to turn into and accurate QB ...

U understand now? ...

Pay attention next time your in a conversation ...

No we can't. Trade deadline has passed.