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Could have sent a 3rd Round pick to the Niners for Hoyer a week or so before the trade deadline, and then dealt Hoyer and a 2nd to the Pats for Garoppolo. A 2nd and a 3rd is what we offered for McCarron, after all. Anybody here think AJ is worth more than Jimmy?

Fair enough.

Dave that would have been a very nice move if sf would have traded their backup qb for a 3rd next year. I truly believe our fo believed ne when they said the week before they were not trading jg.

We could have added Kessler, Hogan, or Kizer in any deal to the Niners. Think they wouldn't like a USC guy or a Stanford guy in SF?



If that's true, then our FO either really doesn't understand the art of negotiations, or else they didn't think JG was worth what it would take to get him. Neither of those possibilities reflect well on them, IMO.

J/C

I still blame the Patriots for this one. The Browns offered more than just a 2nd for Jimmy Garrapolo. More than it took to trade him. For one reason or another, the Patriots decided against making a deal.

Even if the Front Office assumed that stood, you would think the Patriots would call.

"Hey, desperate Browns who are struggling with a passing offense, have previously tried to trade for Garappolo and will do anything for a positive headline following a losing season, how much are you willing to give up for Garappolo?"

They could have got Houston's first rounder, easy. They could have got a 2nd and 3rd, easy. The fact they didn't implies that, for one reason or another, they were not going to make a deal with Cleveland.

Your bias is showing yet again.

Why would we have had to offer a top 10 pick? What about two 2nd round picks? Do you really think BB values Hoyer more than a 2nd round pick? LOL

I'd give whatever it took to get Jimmy. He is going to be a monster of a QB in this league.

Huh? No bias. Bonefish was the one who said he'd start by offering a first round pick for garoppolo. I simply asked if he was comfortable with it being a top ten because that's where our two firsts are trending.

The question should not be whether bonefish or I or anyone else would offer for JG. The question be what should the Browns have offered.

I am saying that another 2nd round pick is probably more valuable to BB than Hoyer.

Heck, you guys are saying what a genius Sashi is for spending around $8 million for Houston's 2nd round pick.

Let me put it another way. Do any of you really think that Hoyer is worth a 2nd round pick?

Garrapolo has 2 starts in the NFL....Has attempted something like 14 passes over 31 yards in his NFL career...

He as a 62% pass completion in his college career...

Still to early to tell, specially considering the type of QB he is.

He has 3 starts.

The way I see it, JG is a QB that requires a very specific offense to excel. Its not a question of how good he is, the question is if he fits the Browns.

I would never trade for JG or McCarron holding the 1st pick on next years draft. I think we had this discussion regarding this years draft.

I would also let the next Head Coach choose his QB.

Other thing I don't understand is why so much love for JG and so little for Hoyer. Its not like they are so different Qb's

I think BB was right in valuing Hoyer so much, and probably worth more to him than a 2nd round pick, he is a very good backup Qb and perfect to sit behind Tom Brady.

You are seeing it wrong. The guy has the skill set to play in any offense.

No one thinks Hoyer is worth a 2nd Rd pick. Most think Hoyer is better Super Bowl insurance for BB than is Clipboard Jesus or Matt McGloin.

Let me put it another way. Do any of you really think that BB would rather have an additional 2nd Rd pick or a better chance at winning the Super Bowl this year?

I haven't seen it yet, but I have an open mind...

My only question so far with JG is consistency, not that he is inconsistent,but if he can be consistent (hence the Cutler and Romo comparison) ... if he can, he most probably will be a great QB, although I am not really sure about SF....

I think people are selling Hoyer very short... In the end he is a 80 QBR in very bad offenses...

I actually think Hoyer could be a good QB in a good team, he just can't carry a bad team all the time, don't know why but he reminds me of Jeff Garcia...

I would agree 100% that right now Hoyer is far more important to Belichick than a second round pick. Maybe Belichick erred and should have traded Garoppolo in the spring. He already traded Brissett for a draft pick, what he needed was a back up quarterback.


Bonefish is contending Garoppolo is worth a first round pick. I ask because I think it's interesting how some people value players. If you ask me I don't think I ever would have considered a deal unless it was cheap. I don't want someone else's back up.

Which brings me to the McCarron botched deal... That whole thing is very peculiar and I can't even begin to imagine who did what and what the thinking was there.

I think it would tell you much if you managed to do that though. How desperate are we? How disenchanted with Kizer? Enough to bench him? Trade him? What does it say about our other QBs?

Somebody wants a radical direction change and is willing to pay too much to flush a few poor decisions away. I won't dignify it as a "plan" at this point, because it is in such a cluster. Our FO seems to be in a "Who's on First" tour and Hue is right there in the middle of it. I see some disconnect between SWELL interviews and repeatedly infuriating losses which look like carbon copies of each other.

How much growth have I seen this season? Not sure yet. Not enough IMHO.

I dont agree Vers .. NOT EVEN CLOSE ...

He traded Brissett earlier this season ... IF he traded JG he had to have a BACK UP .. hell, i dont even think they had another qb on the roster ...

He couldn’t just trade JG w/o getting a back up .. and he needed one that could be game ready in a week ... HOYER was by far the BEST OPTION ...

I dont think BB was trading JG w/o Hoyer included ...

With that said .. that doesn’t EXCUSE our FO for not calling the Pats again on MOMDAY ...

STUPID STUPID STUPID ...

The FO could have a week earlier SEEN that Hoyer had a ton of value to BB in any trade scenario and asked them if we got Hoyer and gave u our 1st 2nd round pick next year ... would u be willing to deal? Then u call Frisco and offer them Houstons 1st rounder or a 2nd rounder or even both the other two 2nd round picks we would have had left ..

Were any of thes options realistic ... maybe a 1% chance ... but u HAVE TO ASK and then TRY!!

A certain someone knows where he wants to be coaching next year and tried to get a bunch of high value selections sent to that team in a panic move...

A certain someone who literally did the same thing in Oakland before returning to his beloved Cincitucky to spend those picks...

I’d of given up a 1st and a 2nd for JG in a HEARTBEAT!!!

I’d much rather do that than take a college QB at #1 or with Houstons pick ...

A lot less risk involved with JG ... and he has all the attributes U look for in a qb ... accurate and smart being # 1 and 1A ...

I dont understand your “someone else’s back up” theory ... its not his fault the Pats drafted him ... if we drafted him he wouldn’t be our back up ... ... he might be dead playing behind this OL the last couple years but thats a different discussion ...

Prove it! You are slandering a man's good name w/accusations of cheating, lying, and poor character. I think you need to provide some proof to substantiate such venomous claims!

Vers, just value it for the entertainment value... that's what we are here for.

:-)

Take a step back on the Hue thing, it will do wonders for your blood pressure.

Might be hard to prove. It does look a bit odd.

Doesn't make it any easier that Jason La Canfora is reporting that he's been hearing Jackson back to Cincinnati since August, and Mike Silver is also reporting Jackson will be "elsewhere."

He's done it before, and there is nobody that could convince me the front office had anything to do with that trade attempt. The FO are almost unhealthily obsessed with draft selections. They don't give them up for guys like A.J McCarron. First, they're impossible to deal with because they want to "win every deal" but the next day they're giving up a 2nd and 3rd for McCarron?

I doubt that. Strong vibes that Jackson tried to force that deal with 10 minutes left on the clock in the hopes he could get it done before returning to his beloved team the following year.

I suppose we'll know at the end of the season. If he does return to the Bengals, that would be very telling.

Yeah, I don't know if I buy all that. But if it happens, the conspiracy theorists will be out. I have a feeling Jackson would value McCarron more than the draft picks, however.

I feel like your post was partly in jest. So I'm not quick to jump on the "take you to court for slandering" bandwagon. I think it's coincidence at best. Who did the Bengals even draft with the pick they got from the Raiders?

Poor Hue Jackson has taken a beating in Cleveland. His comments have blown me away from not saying his not apart of any plan to ask the front office when we're suppose to win. I think there's obvious disconnect and I wouldn't be so quick to say Hue got a raw deal. I wouldn't be surprised if Hue came here with the understanding he'd have more control. I feel like Hue believes he's The Man and invincible and honestly thinks he is suffering from a lack of talent therefore he is safe. He's tired of losing therefore was desperate for McCarron.

Vers says it all the time that losing is toxic for a team. And I wholeheartedly agree. I also think the coach could pull out all the stops to win a game vs continue with the same game plan knowing you're inexperienced and might lack talent in some key areas. Sometimes I feel Hue does the latter.

I believe it was the Jets game when Kizer pitched to Crowell and the ball was fumbled. Everyone was saying how terrible that play call was except vers who said it was a good play but we don't have the personnel or talent to run the plays so don't blame Hue. I think that play sums up exactly why Hue will be let go.

Sorry to rant this on a Garoppolo thread...

They got Dre Kirkpatrick in 2012 and Gio Bernard in 2013. Pretty good deal.

It was in jest, but it is a weird coincidence. There are a lot of Raiders fans who, to this day, think there was more than meets the eye to that trade, and the similarities to what occurred with the attempted McCarron trade are certainly interesting - especially if Hue has been connected to Cincinnati since prior to the trade.

I mean, the guy has now officially given up a 1st and 2nd, and attempted to give up a 2nd and 3rd, to his former team for their back-up quarterback - in both cases, he's been connected to returning to that team PRIOR to the trade being made.

Coincidence, sure, but an awfully interesting that I can certainly understand questions being raised over.

What's telling is that you are suggesting that Hue has any authority in making trade offers. As much as you wish to portray that the FO had nothing to do with it, they're the only one with the power to make trade offers.

Did you arrive at this conclusion after having donuts with Elvis at a Krispy Kreme?

Garrapolo just dropped 334on the Texans today in a win.

Big deal who cares? We don't need him here in Cleveland. We have our QB of the future. JG is just a flash in the pan!!!

He looked great against a [censored] Houston team and our other 1st rounder gets better. Some would argue Kizer played abetter. Not sure if I agree.

you're suppose to look good against crap teams.

unlike our own crap quarterback.

Great gets them out of the second pick and ups the Texans picks for us.

I thought you liked Kizer

you must have missed my constant campaigning for Lamar.

Ok. Both can't be exclusive from one another?

in this particular case, no.

I made it clear during the draft i wanted no part of Kizer. but like everyone else, we all TRIED, and i mean TRIED to get behind Kizer at some point during the season.

for me, that trying ended last week. it was cemented after today's game. but even still, i wanted Lamar since the jump.

it just sucks because once again, we are seeing QB's around the league that we had legit shots of getting tear it up, while the bums we have can't get it done.

we'd have at least 4 wins with competent QB play.we'd have at least 7 with competent coaching.

honestly, i dunno how garrapolo will turn out, because he still needs to play a full season to show he can be the guy.

but what i DO know, is that the argument between him or kizer ain't even an argument. he's hands down better than Kizer in every aspect of the game, which unfortunately for Kizer, isn't saying much.

I didn't mention Jimmy G., but ok.

You do you!

Is this not a jimmy g thread?