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"Here's Sashi Brown's last two NFL Drafts. Out of his 24 picks, 20 might be multi-year NFL contributors. That's an ABSURD success rate. Plus, they have 2018 Draft 1st and two 2nds coming. If not for ownership, this would be the most coveted GM job in recent memory." Link
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j/c: #Browns HC Hue Jackson said analytics only played a part in what we did. "Am I football traditionalist? Yes, I am." And traditionalism won out, apparently.
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Sashi didn't hire Hue. Haslam did.
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"Here's Sashi Brown's last two NFL Drafts. Out of his 24 picks, 20 might be multi-year NFL contributors. That's an ABSURD success rate. Plus, they have 2018 Draft 1st and two 2nds coming. If not for ownership, this would be the most coveted GM job in recent memory." Link For my sanity, now that Brown is gone, I hope this dude ends up being wrong.
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listening to this press conference, crfs called it.
Hue is already on his best behavior now that Sashi got bounced.
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So basically Haslam set this up to fail from the get go. Hue was never on board with the "analytics" approach. Haslam was going with Hue no matter how he did on the field. Things are becoming clear... The botched McCarron trade, Hue acting invincible....
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Sashi didn't hire Hue. Haslam did. Sashi and the team conducted the process... Clearly remember that was one of the first things that was being sold like the new approach off doing business... Hue was Sachi's Coach...
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#Browns Jackson said he didn't want to hire an OC with a bad offense and make him take the fall. Says it's possible he'll hire one for 2018 I mean....
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Amazing what this guy can say.... Isn't he firing himself? Making the Hue OC take the fall to save the Hue HC.... Such a pain to watch this....
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I'm a little split on your list. See below (I edited your post, only showing the list). Also, you're right... it's hard to be shocked by this, whether you agree on the move or not. The results are what they are. j/c:
--He did leave us w/a lot of draft picks.
True.
--He passed on many good players.
True, but that's with the benefit of hindsight. Let's just take Wentz as an example, as that pass seems to hurt the most. Wentz was a super-raw prospect coming from a lower program. People want to say that we passed on a Peyton Manning prospect, but that's simply not true. Obviously it didn't work out like we thought it would ("Wentz is not a top-10 QB"... I think that's the quote). Hue's buddy Albright even said that Hue didn't want Wentz at 2 (so the theory is that Hue also would've passed on him at 2, Sashi just got a windfall of picks).
--Many of his picks are questionable.
I would also agree with you, but with a caveat. Which drafts picks don't you like? I happen to like Ogbah, Nassib (not as much, but he's a piece), Coleman (as an eventual strong #2 WR, if he can stay healthy), Garrett, Njoku (I think he'll end up being good with an offseason under his belt), Schobert (he was a Sashi pick, right?). I don't think Shelton was a Sashi pick, but Ogbunjobi and the other dlinemen that are looking good were.
Yes, he's had questionable picks, but I'd argue not significantly more than his competition. No Manziels and Gilberts in his drafts. He did have Kessler, but that was a later pick.
--His handling of some of our free agents was not good for the team or a good look w/other players and agents.
Agreed, and this one is w/o any caveats. No need to rehash, imo.
--The apparent perception of how other teams viewed him during trades was also not a good look.
I think this is debatable, and without any real evidence I think we can do is just agree to disagree.
--Some of his roster decisions were terrible, such as cutting players and keeping his draft picks.
Agreed. I haven't heard anything on the Haden front since week 2, but Haden would still have helped us. In hindsight, it would've been good to keep Pryor, I think (debatable, I know). We really screwed the pooch on leaving ourselves with basically just Kizer (letting go of McCown was the real screwup). Bringing in Britt was bad, but I don't think anyone could have guessed it would be this hilariously bad.
--I doubt that he will get another high-ranking NFL position again.
You're probably right, but I would add that it's probably because of what you said in your post (that I took out). He didn't have the experience to execute the personnel management side of his job responsibilities. He was a bean counter that was all of a sudden an NFL GM. That's why I think it would've been better to just demote Sashi and keep him on staff and add a football guy to be the actual GM.
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Sashi didn't hire Hue. Haslam did. Sashi and the team conducted the process... Clearly remember that was one of the first things that was being sold like the new approach off doing business... Hue was Sachi's Coach... No. I don't remember this being the case. I recall Jimmy being the one more adamant about getting Hue. Sashi was there, but Jimmy is the one who hired him.
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there was a reporter during the conference asking a lot of trap questions, Hue didn't take the bait.
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there was a reporter during the conference asking a lot of trap questions, Hue didn't take the bait. Well, that's a first! Haha.
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My sanity is already rocked. I am ok if Hue is gone too, but if we end up keeping Hue and getting a GM that agrees to work with him...well, we'll be right back here again in two years.
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I have some thoughts:
We fired Sashi Brown after [almost] two years because we were really bad. Sashi Brown was specifically hired to be really bad.
Firing Sashi Brown this quickly is Jimmy Haslam admitting a mistake in hiring Sashi Brown. Haslam clearly doesn't think Brown is the person to run the team anymore. What changed between then and now?
Jimmy Haslam is clearly the problem. He either doesn't know how to hire the right person (Banner, Farmer, and/or Brown) or doesn't give people enough time to work (Banner, Farmer, and/or Brown). He was hired to be bad is only part of the equation. He was also tasked with acquiring organizational changing talent. He failed. Myles Garrett, Jabrill Peppers, David Njoku, Corey Coleman, DeShone Kizer, Emmanuel Ogbah, Schobert, Brean-Body, Ogunjobi, Coley, McCourty, Tretter, Zietler, Devalve, Dayes, Drango, Nassib, Jamar Taylor, Kindred....oh and not giving up on Josh Gordon when everyone else said they should That's just a long list of players. I was referring to organizational changing talent. Dayes? Nassib? I'd trade everyone of those players for Wentz.
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Sashi didn't hire Hue. Haslam did. Sashi and the team conducted the process... Clearly remember that was one of the first things that was being sold like the new approach off doing business... Hue was Sachi's Coach... No. I don't remember this being the case. I recall Jimmy being the one more adamant about getting Hue. Sashi was there, but Jimmy is the one who hired him. Now you are being Cynical..... http://bleacherreport.com/articles/26075...ed-in-cleveland"There wasn't any bungling, in-fighting or Three Stooges references. Under its owner, executive vice president of football operations Sashi Brown, chief strategy officer Paul DePodesta and Jed Hughes of search firm Korn Ferry Sports, the team targeted a specific coach to fill the opening and landed its top choice."
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Thank U Sashi .. U left us in GREAT SHAPE ... If only one of them had to go .. THE RIGHT ONE WENT ....  I'm not sure...we'll see down the road if it was the right decision or not.
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So he can be the fall guy in 2018. Good grief.
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My sanity is already rocked. I am ok if Hue is gone too, but if we end up keeping Hue and getting a GM that agrees to work with him...well, we'll be right back here again in two years. Hue is a disgrace to the Browns name... Paul Brown,and the Browns fans deserve better than this...
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Sashi didn't hire Hue. Haslam did. Sashi and the team conducted the process... Clearly remember that was one of the first things that was being sold like the new approach off doing business... Hue was Sachi's Coach... No. I don't remember this being the case. I recall Jimmy being the one more adamant about getting Hue. Sashi was there, but Jimmy is the one who hired him. Now you are being Cynical..... http://bleacherreport.com/articles/26075...ed-in-cleveland"There wasn't any bungling, in-fighting or Three Stooges references. Under its owner, executive vice president of football operations Sashi Brown, chief strategy officer Paul DePodesta and Jed Hughes of search firm Korn Ferry Sports, the team targeted a specific coach to fill the opening and landed its top choice." Yes, Jimmy hired Hue. Hue was Jimmy's guy. Link
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My sanity is already rocked. I am ok if Hue is gone too, but if we end up keeping Hue and getting a GM that agrees to work with him...well, we'll be right back here again in two years. Hue is a disgrace to the Browns name... Paul Brown,and the Browns fans deserve better than this... That's supposed to be purple, isn't it?
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There looks to be a really good lineup on 92.3 FM this afternoon/early evening:
3:20 - Ian rappaport
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5:20 - Albert Breer
6:00 - Matt Miller
Just giving you a heads up....should be some good listening RE: firing and the future
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Also, I haven't seen anyone say this, but how bad is it that Haslam was supposedly looking for Sashi Brown's replacement while he was still employed? Oof.
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Also, I haven't seen anyone say this, but how bad is it that Haslam was supposedly looking for Sashi Brown's replacement while he was still employed? Oof. On my god.....it's gonna be Mike Singletary, isn't it?!
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Also, I haven't seen anyone say this, but how bad is it that Haslam was supposedly looking for Sashi Brown's replacement while he was still employed? Oof. On my god.....it's gonna be Mike Singletary, isn't it?! 
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j/c
Turns out mac has been right all along.
All of us have suffered through the worst two years of Browns football, in the 69 year history of the franchise...that is on JIMMY HASLAM!
Pit, you and vers along with a few others questioned Sashi's football experience, early on..so it's not like I was the only one to show concern about Sashi's resume.
So Haslam gives it another try..if he doesn't get it right this time, he needs to sell the franchise, imo.
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Haslam said Hue will be back , Cant blame Hue for this whole mess either way . Brown and Despodesta kinda tied one hand behind his back. Its not like Hue could say something against them publicly . You do know Hue was interested in Wentz ... Hwe was only one to go to Pro day in a dam blizzard
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Haslam said Hue will be back , Cant blame Hue for this whole mess either way . Brown and Despodesta kinda tied one hand behind his back. Its not like Hue could say something against them publicly . You do know Hue was interested in Wentz ... Hwe was only one to go to Pro day in a dam blizzard No hue doesnt have the balls to say things in public, he lets Mike silver and his daughter do his public crying for him.
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Bye Bye Sashi. I had hopes for him but his drafting ability and player acquisition and trading negotiating just down right sucked. Good luck wherever you land, hopefully the Bengals, Steelers, or the Ravens.
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He hired Hue Jackson... that should get any GM fired...
Worst Gm on NFL history... Sachi Brown
Worst Coach on NFL history... Hue Jackson
Worst Team in NFL History .... Browns 2016-18...
Do you also post under the name TONY?
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I have some thoughts:
We fired Sashi Brown after [almost] two years because we were really bad. Sashi Brown was specifically hired to be really bad.
Firing Sashi Brown this quickly is Jimmy Haslam admitting a mistake in hiring Sashi Brown. Haslam clearly doesn't think Brown is the person to run the team anymore. What changed between then and now?
Jimmy Haslam is clearly the problem. He either doesn't know how to hire the right person (Banner, Farmer, and/or Brown) or doesn't give people enough time to work (Banner, Farmer, and/or Brown). He was hired to be bad is only part of the equation. He was also tasked with acquiring organizational changing talent. He failed. Myles Garrett, Jabrill Peppers, David Njoku, Corey Coleman, DeShone Kizer, Emmanuel Ogbah, Schobert, Brean-Body, Ogunjobi, Coley, McCourty, Tretter, Zietler, Devalve, Dayes, Drango, Nassib, Jamar Taylor, Kindred....oh and not giving up on Josh Gordon when everyone else said they should That's just a long list of players. I was referring to organizational changing talent. Dayes? Nassib? I'd trade everyone of those players for Wentz. Why? When you can have them all and Baker Mayfield?
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j/c:
I can't say I am shocked. Someone was bound to take the fall for such a poor record. It does appear that the apparent toxic relationship between the FO and the coaching staff proved to be too much to overcome.
I do have some thoughts on Sashi:
--He did leave us w/a lot of draft picks.
--He passed on many good players.
--Many of his picks are questionable.
--His handling of some of our free agents was not good for the team or a good look w/other players and agents.
--The apparent perception of how other teams viewed him during trades was also not a good look.
--Some of his roster decisions were terrible, such as cutting players and keeping his draft picks.
--I doubt that he will get another high-ranking NFL position again.
His overall record and his lack of qualifications for such a position are simply too poor. FWIW, he left us in great CAP space so that coupled with some of his better picks and the Draft picks ahead are at least something the new GM/VP won't have to worry about. Whoever comes in will have a young team with upside, tons of picks and tons of money. Just trying to find the few positives out there to look at.
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...That's just a long list of players. I was referring to organizational changing talent. Dayes? Nassib?....I'd trade everyone of those players for Wentz. The decision to trade down (and miss Wentz) in the process wasn't Sashi's alone. If you want to dismiss the talent on the roster this early into their careers that's fine i'm not going to tediously quibble over each pick and whether or they contribute...nor argue over how every pick isn't going to be an 'organizational' changing talent. Clearly some of those players have talent. But having 2 picks in the 1st round + 3 in the 2nd is the definition of organizational changing talent.
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I keep seeing how Sashi left us with all this capital and and cap...Does everyone not remember we've won a single game in 2 years? Most teams that don't have any players worth a damn because you've traded them all or passed on them to stockpile more picks are probably going to have hefty assets. People seem quick to embrace the suck while pointing out all these "assets" at some point we need to use them. They just didn't feel he could
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This may not end well.
Might be late, but better than never. What does it do to the rest of "The Plan"? I'm thinking:  I was out doing errands and heard the news on - what is it? 850 AM? I was blown away! That's what Sashi gets. He had the final say in the picks (I would assume). It's not hard to make the correct draft picks. Hell, you could Google "best picks in the draft" and have a decent idea who to pick. But noooooooooooooo, he had to get cute/try to outsmart everyone/use analytics and blew it. Good riddance, I say. P.S. Crazy Browns day! 
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Thank U Sashi .. U left us in GREAT SHAPE ... If only one of them had to go .. THE RIGHT ONE WENT .... I'm not sure...we'll see down the road if it was the right decision or not. No need to wait ... sashi was not qualified for the job he was hired for ... regardless of what u think of Hue he is way more qualified for his job ... Not having a football guy with last say was MORONIC ...
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I keep seeing how Sashi left us with all this capital and and cap Yes. ...Does everyone not remember we've won a single game in 2 years? Yes. I remember. That's what happens when you have a bad team. Team's don't start a total rebuild because they're flush with talent. The team was bad, old and expensive when Sashi took over. People seem quick to embrace the suck while pointing out all these "assets" at some point we need to use them. Welp, he won't be able to use them.
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Bye Bye Sashi. I had hopes for him but his drafting ability and player acquisition and trading negotiating just down right sucked. Good luck wherever you land, hopefully the Bengals, Steelers, or the Ravens. I don't think Sashi gets another NFL job that has anything to do w/personnel. A lot of people are crying about his departure and calling Hue out, but Sashi was never qualified for the position and his inexperience clearly was evident. I was hoping they could work things out, but if one had to go, Haslam chose the right one. There is no doubt in my mind about that.
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The Browns chose Hue Jackson over their front office, and it actually makes sense https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/spor...m=.1edb8701e044The Process, Cleveland Browns style, wasn’t working. Far from it. It was failing miserably. Something had to be done. That’s what the Browns did Thursday — something. Whether it will work remains to be seen. There always is reason to be skeptical when the Browns are involved. They are, after all, the Browns. But this actually makes sense. The Browns chose their coach, Hue Jackson, over their front office. They decided their primary problem was the way the roster was being constructed, not the way it was being used. They are right. [Which NFL coaches will be next to join Ben McAdoo in being unemployed?] The Browns, winless this season and with a record of 1-27 since the start of last season, announced Thursday they had fired Sashi Brown as their executive vice president of football operations, and owner Jimmy Haslam said in a statement that Jackson will return next season as coach. “We have great appreciation and gratitude for Sashi’s commitment and leadership to our organization but believe transitioning to someone with strong experience and success in drafting and building consistently winning football teams is critical to the future of the Cleveland Browns,” Haslam said. “Today we informed Sashi that we were going in a new direction. The 2018 draft and offseason is pivotal for our franchise; we need to ensure that we maximize our opportunity for success, with our picks, free agency and building our roster.” The Browns aren’t just bad. They are historically bad. A year ago, they avoided a winless season with a victory in game No. 15. They’re right back at it this season, currently 0-12. [Josh McDaniels could have his choice of NFL coaching vacancies … if he’s actually ready to leave the Patriots] So there is blame to go around. But Jackson is respected around the league, even with his pitiable record as a head coach. He deserves a chance to see what he can do with a sensibly constructed roster. The Browns, after adding “Moneyball” guru Paul DePodesta to the front office, consistently have violated the No. 1 rule of football roster construction: If you don’t have a franchise quarterback, do everything you can to try to get one. They went out of their way to avoid selecting Carson Wentz and Deshaun Watson in the past two drafts. Wentz is now an MVP candidate in Philadelphia, and Watson was well on his way to being the offensive rookie of the year in Houston before getting hurt. The Browns couldn’t land Jimmy Garoppolo on the trade market. They botched a tentative deal for AJ McCarron at the trade deadline this year by failing to submit their notification to the league office in time. Meanwhile, Jackson has had to try to get by with Robert Griffin III or Josh McCown or Cody Kessler or Kevin Hogan or DeShone Kizer. That’s inexcusable. And the Browns decided Thursday they couldn’t excuse it. They decided they couldn’t allow the current front office to make the next big decision at quarterback. The next GM will inherit a promising situation. John Dorsey, former general manager of the Kansas City Chiefs, is being mentioned as a top candidate. The Browns have two first-round picks and three second-rounders in the 2018 draft. They could have the top selection in a year in which there will be promising quarterbacks available: The class could include USC’s Sam Darnold, UCLA’s Josh Rosen, Wyoming’s Josh Allen and others. If the Browns instead decide to make a run at, say, Washington Redskins quarterback Kirk Cousins if he’s available as a free agent, they will have abundant salary-cap space. Maybe someday the Process as undertaken by the Browns will resemble that of the NBA’s Philadelphia 76ers, who seem well on their way to successfully transforming all-time dreadfulness into a talented roster and a contending team. But if it happens, that turnaround will be overseen by a different front office roster architect.
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