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Whoever we brought in... only position needs to be hit/miss is the QB spot.
Pick the right guy and you will re-write he history books and be named 'the brains' of who turned the franchise around.
Sashi would have been that guy with this draft.. Cleveland Browns GM John Dorsey in good spot, thanks to Sashi Brown -- Terry Pluto http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2017/12/cleveland_browns_gm_john_dorse.htmlBy Terry Pluto, The Plain Dealer terrypluto2003@yahoo.com CLEVELAND, Ohio -- I was talking on the phone to a NFL executive Thursday night when the word came out on the hiring of John Dorsey as the Browns new general manager. The exec was telling me the Browns "could be a great job" if owner Jimmy Haslam allows the new general manager the time and freedom to make the right moves. "In terms of picks and salary cap space, they are in a tremendous position," he said. I spoke to another executive earlier in the day who said the same thing. But both guys couldn't figure out why coach Hue Jackson was promised his job for 2018. They thought it would make it harder for the Browns to find a good general manager. Well, Dorsey has agreed to take the job. As far as I can tell, Dorsey has no long-standing relationship with Jackson. Haslam has decided to put them together. Dorsey obviously thinks it has a chance to work. We'll see. "Dorsey can probably figure he can make it work with Hue, or replace him a year from now," the executive told me. "It's not ideal." But coaching issues aside, Dorsey can thank the fired Sashi Brown and his front office for putting him in superb position to make an immediate impact in 2018. They have two first-round picks, very likely in the top 10. They have three second-round picks. They have 13 picks overall. They could have as much as $100 million of salary cap room. Dorsey had a 43-21 record as general manager of the Kansas City Chiefs. But he fell out of favor with ownership. He was fired in late June, after the draft. It was an odd time to make such a move. His communication style was questioned. But along with coach Andy Reid, he built the Chiefs into a winner. He engineered a trade for Alex Smith, and the veteran quarterback stabilized the position for the Chiefs. As a guy who loves the draft, the lure of all the picks compiled by Brown's front office has to be intoxicating. Of the guys available right now, Dorsey probably is the best. I'm certainly not going to second-guess it. The man has a solid track record and a lot of experience. I still question the quick marriage of Dorsey and Jackson. For years, having the coach and general manager work together has been a problem. No matter what Jackson said, he did have a power struggle with Brown. He did prevail. But he better not try that stuff with Dorsey, or the Browns will be a mess again. I'm in the minority in this market in terms of liking a general analytics approach. Piling up picks is how a team such as the Browns can take significant steps forward. Former CEO Joe Banner did that when he had 10 picks set up for the 2014 draft. But his replacement -- Ray Farmer -- selected only six players, including Johnny Manziel and Justin Gilbert in the first round. He kept trading up, it was a disaster. Dorsey is intrigued. Jackson has to be willing to play ball and respect his new boss -- and Dorsey must be the boss for this to work. But I want to point out the reason Dorsey is attracted to the job is all the picks assembled by Brown & Company. Now, Dorsey has a chance to find a quarterback in the draft and/or free agency. He can fill holes. He can bring some hope. For Browns fans, that is good news.
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That's fair.
I am not an expert on the Chiefs, but I think getting guys like Kelce, Hunt [played at Toledo] Peters [who is a head case, but is an All Pro,] Hill, Fisher, and signing guys like Schwartz and getting a qb like Smith is pretty damn good.
I don't know...........that looks a lot better than what Sashi did BEFORE he got here. I'm willing to roll w/Dorsey.
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The people Sashi and his people might all end up failing (I highly doubt that, but it could happen, I guess) but how was he "toxic"
In fact he was the opposite of toxic in my opinion. He wasn't leaking news out to the media....he wasn't trying to win a power struggle in press conferences by throwing people under the bus.
Guess who was? That's what toxic means to me, at least. One is still working. One is not. And what are the odds of Sashi Brown EVER getting another NFL job that has a thing to do w/evaluating personnel again?
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Free Post! there is already a thread going on this topic.
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I said the toxicity in the BUILDING ... just like i did in the sashi got canned thread ....
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You still have to satisfy the Rooney Rule on the new hire.
Nate Ulrich (@NateUlrichABJ) #Browns had been talking to new GM John Dorsey 5-6 weeks, gave him four-year contract, he'll report to ownership along with coach Hue Jackson and chief strategy officer Paul DePodesta. Cleveland formally interviewed 2 candidates, satisfying Rooney Rule, and talked to 2 or 3 more 54 mins ago · Twitter Concern that Browns didn’t meet Rooney Rule before hiring John Dorsey as GM https://sportsnaut.com/2017/12/concern-browns-didnt-meet-rooney-rule-before-hiring-john-dorsey-gm/It is worth noting that while the firing happened on Thursday, it appears to be a longer process than just that. According to Jason La Canfora, many people, including head coach Hue Jackson, have been talked to.
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The people Sashi and his people might all end up failing (I highly doubt that, but it could happen, I guess) but how was he "toxic"
In fact he was the opposite of toxic in my opinion. He wasn't leaking news out to the media....he wasn't trying to win a power struggle in press conferences by throwing people under the bus.
Guess who was? That's what toxic means to me, at least. One is still working. One is not. And what are the odds of Sashi Brown EVER getting another NFL job that has a thing to do w/evaluating personnel again? Maybe he’ll be evaluating whether or not Jimmy is competent enough to stand trial.
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I may be alone in this thought, but could this have been the plan all along? In 2016 Haslam didn't hire a GM, but he installed Sashi to strip down the team, and build a war-chest of picks and cap space. He did all the dirty work. This gives us the chance to attract the best available GM. I believe Sashi was the mastermind of this rebuild, and bringing in a real GM after year 2 might have been the plan all along. That the Chiefs fired Dorsey just played into the plan.
Now, this is all speculation, I could be completely off-base. But it kinda makes sense, and fits the non-traditional approach this has been from the beginning.
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Why would Sashi volunteer to be the scapegoat?
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I said i was happy like 4 times in my post ..... did u miss that part .... Alex Smith was 100% on Andy Reid ... And Smith ain’t all that and a bag of chips ... if u like dink and dunk ... he’s your man ... MEMPHISWhat part of ... the TOXICITY in the BUILDING ... is it u have trouble understanding? ... I’m not getting sucked into your BS ... you’ve al ready ruined one thread with your BS tonight .. Writing smack ....  .. BYE BYE ...
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I was just responding to your post about what Dorsey has done. It looks pretty good to me. I was just saying I don't expect you to agree. I even said your post was fair. Just expressing my opinion.
I am not calling you out on this one, but how do you know that Alex Smith was 100 percent on Andy Reid? I thought Dorsey was the GM at the time?
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While I was not in favor of firing Sashi Brown, this move seems to salvage some hope. John Dorsey seems to be highly respected. Also, because they have been talking with Dorsey for weeks it is clear he is on board with keeping Hue Jackson (for now). The structure of the front office is still out of whack with three different people all reporting to Jimmy Haslam (Dorsey, DePodesta, and Jackson). I really would like to know if DePodesta was involved in the hiring of Dorsey. Furthermore, this is not the first time we have hired someone who has been "respected" around the league. We hired Ray Farmer because the Dolphins were about to hire him to be their GM, Tom Heckert always made the "next GM lists," same with Phil Savage, etc. I have no faith in Jimmy Haslam to stick to any plan or keep his word. I also have no faith in him to hire the right people. We could have brought Bill Walsh back to life and hired him to run our front office and I'd be skeptical. The owner needs to prove he is not a child. Here are Dorsey's drafts with the Chiefs (I wouldn't put this all on Dorsey as I believe Andy Reid had final say with Kansas City):     https://twitter.com/330Luke/status/938832307875655680
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I may be alone in this thought, but could this have been the plan all along? In 2016 Haslam didn't hire a GM, but he installed Sashi to strip down the team, and build a war-chest of picks and cap space. He did all the dirty work. This gives us the chance to attract the best available GM. I believe Sashi was the mastermind of this rebuild, and bringing in a real GM after year 2 might have been the plan all along. That the Chiefs fired Dorsey just played into the plan.
Now, this is all speculation, I could be completely off-base. But it kinda makes sense, and fits the non-traditional approach this has been from the beginning. JMHO but no one involved is that smart, that calculating, or has that much foresight. I don't care if some of them do have ivy league educations. Besides, why would Sashi set up a system designed to humiliate himself and cause his own firing, virtually committing career suicide? As crazy as this has been, I think we can all be happy that we have a solid talent evaluator now. That's the bottom line.
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I remember it well .. i thought Reid was out of his mind .. *L* ..
He LOVED SMITH and said U could win with him .. i remember thinking .. this dude paid him a bunch of money just so he could prove how smart he was ...
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j/c... A little more insight into Dorsey... Jordan Zirm Verified account @clevezirm interesting blurb from @bykevinclark on John Dorsey's thoughts re: player scouting and the NFL Combine  Tweet
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One more note on new #Browns GM John Dorsey: he has control over the roster in his contract, sources tell @RapSheet and me. (Andy Reid had it in KC.) He'll run the draft, free agency, etc. #FootballGuy making football decisions.
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That's good information. Thanks Milk.
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While I was not in favor of firing Sashi Brown, this move seems to salvage some hope. John Dorsey seems to be highly respected. Also, because they have been talking with Dorsey for weeks it is clear he is on board with keeping Hue Jackson (for now). The structure of the front office is still out of whack with three different people all reporting to Jimmy Haslam (Dorsey, DePodesta, and Jackson). I really would like to know if DePodesta was involved in the hiring of Dorsey. Furthermore, this is not the first time we have hired someone who has been "respected" around the league. We hired Ray Farmer because the Dolphins were about to hire him to be their GM, Tom Heckert always made the "next GM lists," same with Phil Savage, etc. I have no faith in Jimmy Haslam to stick to any plan or keep his word. I also have no faith in him to hire the right people. We could have brought Bill Walsh back to life and hired him to run our front office and I'd be skeptical. The owner needs to prove he is not a child. Here are Dorsey's drafts with the Chiefs (I wouldn't put this all on Dorsey as I believe Andy Reid had final say with Kansas City): https://twitter.com/330Luke/status/938832307875655680 Interesting how the Sashi-lead drafts of the past two years will probably produce more quality players than the 4 drafts posted here.
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Number one...............the Browns had more picks and much higher picks than the KC.
Number two.............you are projecting things rather than stating facts.
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I am wondering if Singletary was our Rooney rule guy?
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I am not that familiar with the Chiefs roster. I know that they had a bizzilion Pro Bowlers a couple years ago. Can somebody list the top picks from that list?
Peters for sure. Hill was a home run.
Wo else on that list is noteworthy?
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I am wondering if Singletary was our Rooney rule guy? My guess is yes. The whole thing didn't make sense at the time, but with hindsight it makes a lot of sense. I wouldn't be shocked to see him hired as sort of consultant going forward.
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Peters for sure. Hill was a home run.
Wo else on that list is noteworthy? Fisher, while a solid player, was not worthy of the #1 pick (although that draft was one of the worst ever). Travis Kelce is probably a top three tight end in the league. John Dorsey obviously took the job because he believes in Kevin Hogan.
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Good call. And would fall in line with this... Adam Schefter Verified account @AdamSchefter John Wooten, chairman of Fritz Pollard Alliance, is concerned about Browns’ hiring process. “I’m deeply bothered by it,” Wooten said. “I’ll be talking to the league about it because it bothers me. It doesn’t seem right. Why wouldn’t you interview one of the recommended people?” Tweet
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seems like we had him pegged for weeks Probably started interviewing the week of the bye when Sashi was insubordinate. I was shocked he wasn't fired immediately and thought maybe Haslam gave him a reprieve. But, I think that Haslam played this smart. He waited until he had his guy before firing Sashi. But, make no mistake......Sashi's insubordination cost him dearly. All I know is that the Browns are better off today than they were yesterday! Serious question because maybe I missed it, but when was Sashi insubirdinate. You constantly say how you don't like people to make things up. It gets repeated and people end up believing it's true. Honestly I could have missed it.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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John Dorsey obviously took the job because he believes in Kevin Hogan.
I think Dorsey just wants the satisfaction of cutting Hogan again. 
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John Dorsey obviously took the job because he believes in Kevin Hogan.
I think Dorsey just wants the satisfaction of cutting Hogan again. Supposedly he went rogue and took Dorsey when he was with the Chiefs. Logically that makes me believe he thinks Hogan is our franchise QB of the future.
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I believe in Hogan more than I do in Kizer.
I bet you're wondering the samething I did, why O' why didn't I take the...blue pill
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I believe in Hogan more than I do in Kizer. We know.
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Number one...............the Browns had more picks and much higher picks than the KC.
Number two.............you are projecting things rather than stating facts. Yes and yes.
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I am not that familiar with the Chiefs roster. I know that they had a bizzilion Pro Bowlers a couple years ago. Can somebody list the top picks from that list?
Peters for sure. Hill was a home run.
Wo else on that list is noteworthy? A dozen or so posts above that, I posted an article with the following. It was from January, so it excludes this season. 2013 Eric Fisher, T, Central Michigan (1st round): Beginning to live up to expectations of top pick. Pro Bowl alternate in 2016.** Travis Kelce, TE, Cincinnati (3rd): One of the best tight ends in the game. Pro Bowler in 2016.** 2014 Dee Ford, LB, Auburn (1st): Came into his own this season with 10 sacks. Pro Bowl alternate in 2016.** Zach Fulton, G, Tennessee (6th): Became a starter this season.** Laurent Durvernay-Tardif, T, McGill (6th): Two-year starter.** 2015 Marcus Peters, CB, Washington (1st): Two years, two Pro Bowls.** Mitch Morse, C, Missouri (2nd): Two-year starter.** Chris Conley, WR, Georgia (3rd): Number of receptions jumped from 17 as rookie to 44 this season.** Steven Nelson, CB, Oregon State (3rd): Worked way into starter in base defense.** 2016 Chris Jones, DL, Mississippi State (2nd): Impact performer on defensive line.** Tyreek Hill, RB/WR, West Alabama (5th): With 12 touchdowns, steal of the NFL Draft. Pro Bowler in 2016.* D.J. White, CB, Georgia Tech (6th): Got many snaps early when secondary dealt with injuries.* *on 53-man roster heading into playoff game; **offensive or defensive starter during 2016
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So we'll have >4 pro bowlers from Sashi drafts??
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I believe in Hogan more than I do in Kizer. We know. good, want to make sure there is no confusion.
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Didn't the Chiefs do pretty well in free agency with Dorsey? I know they got Mitchell Schwartz from us on a great contract.
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So we'll have >4 pro bowlers from Sashi drafts?? Garrett for sure. I would guess Njoku makes one at some point. Maybe Ogbah and Ogunjobi?
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The people Sashi and his people might all end up failing (I highly doubt that, but it could happen, I guess) but how was he "toxic"
In fact he was the opposite of toxic in my opinion. He wasn't leaking news out to the media....he wasn't trying to win a power struggle in press conferences by throwing people under the bus.
Guess who was? That's what toxic means to me, at least.
I wonder what the reaction is going to be when Dorsey gets in here and cans Hue after seeing that we did indeed have enough talent to win some games this year?
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somehow I don't think he will have to the power to outright fire Hue when he gets here.
although something keeps rolling around in my head.
Marvin Lewis is most likely getting canned at the end of the year.
what I keep replaying in my head is that Lewis comes here as the new HC and Hue is back to OC...we become the bengals.
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I guess this was not a knee jerk Fire. We seem to have this all set up for a little while now.
Dorsey has experience and success.
I like the fact his roots were planted in Green Bay under Ron Wolf...A guy I have admired for a long time.
One of the 2 Primary Goals to build a Championship Organization is to get a Superstar QB.
Sashi is gone cause we had the Overall #2 pick and the Overall #1 pick and we came away with a Raw #52 pick and a limited skill set 3rd rounder.
Garrett was understandable for this 2017 draft. But not taking Wentz in 2016 was what got Sashi Fired....again I'm Assuming now that it was his call not to take him. You reap what you sow.
I do love our other picks though so I hope we keep our guys intact from the FO...just a new leader.
btw...Jim and Dee are not bad owners at all. I think most have a bad vibe from our first several years but I like what they are doing.
Especially Dee, I think she has brought some stability in this and she is one smart Cookie!!!
Getting sleepy will take another pain killer, hopefully to knock me out 
But my wife gave me the news as my appointment with Surgeon which she took a half day and her friends mostly males at work have all these Sports Apps so they advised her on the Sashi Firing. Went to the Browns Site and was very happy to hear that Hue will be here in 2018. But we can pretty much be assured that if he gets a 4 or less win season in 2018.
Dorsey will be hiring a new HC. I have no doubt about that.
If Hue is who I think he is we will be 8+ next year.
I hope we don't burn a First round pick on McCarron. He is fighting legally to become a UFA instead of a RFA hope he wins and we will sign him as a FA with nothing to lose. Then get our Franchise QB Prospect but have no rush to start him with McCarron taking the reigns in 2018.
Ok...I'll stop babbling...lol 
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