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You lost. Deal w/it.

We all lost.

So, if Hue doesn't get the exact QB he needs for this system, and the Browns continue to lose, that's it? The fans just have to wait until the perefect one shows up? That makes so little sense.

What makes you say that? Misinformation from other posters who are bad-mouthing? Or, did Hue say that himself?

Whichever offensive coordinator is hired would have to already know or be willing to learn Hue's verbiage.

I believe Hue runs the 'digit' system Coryell based?

Norv is from that same system he would be ideal for me.

Someone mentioned McAdoo...but he comes from a different system and would have to learn Hue's system and Hue's way to pass focused for me and he comes from a philosophy (west coast) that is very different from Hue.

I'm for no system change either.
I'd like to see Hue's plate emptied a bit though. If he will accept it or not would be my concern. These types of issues are the beginnings of power struggles. Bruised egos aren't productive.

https://twitter.com/clevelanddotcom/status/939187062682607618

The link has the video of Hue and his full quote. Does he reference QB specifically, no. But he says he needs players to fit the coaches' talent.

Personally, I thought it worked the other way around.

I think that is correct.

This is why I've been saying we shouldn't expect Hue to out coach anyone. We haven't seen it to date and there's no reason to expect it. I would prefer a coach that's a little more cerebral than rigid in their systems and styles.

But at this point, just win. I don't care how they do it and who's calling the shots, just give us something to cheer for. Jackson, Dorsey, the next guys, whoever. Wake me when we start winning.

Or Haslam sells the team. He says he wants to deliver a winner to the Browns but just can't seem to se that he's the biggest issue and just remove himself from the equation. Still have three guys that will be pining for daddy's love now. I just don't see how that ends well.

I think this is like drafting BPA vs drafting for need. If you draft players for a coach's specific scheme, and that coach doesn't pan out, you start all over again. It's a risk. One I wouldn't take with Hue as HC. It'll be interesting to see how Dorsey operates.

j/c:

I think a small group of posters are doing all they can to smear Hue. It may seem like a "majority," but it isn't. They just post a lot.

I think Hue has had success w/different types of QBs. He's had qbs like Palmer, Jason Campbell, Andy Dalton, Flacco, and even had AJ McCarron playing well in Cinci.

I questioned if he was a truly great QB Whisperer when he got here. I questioned his qb talent evaluation. Got chastised big time for both questions. But now, some people are being far too one-sided w/their attacks on Hue.

I think it's pretty simple. Give him the talent and he will look good. It's not as complex as some are pretending it to be.

I think we are going to have a GM and a HC who will work together.

Hue has called up some interesting concepts and playcalls that were excellent.

And Hue has been a very good coordinator and playcaller in other places.

But, I agree that Hue didn't out coach the other team that often.

And I know i'm beating a deadhorse but a HUGE reason imho was lack of coaching hours.

A full offensive staff assign each coach a segment of the offense to coach and oversea. For example:

QB coach:nickel pass, blitz pick-up
WR coach: red zone passes
RB coach: Gen run, SY-GL-RZ run, 4 minute,
TE coach: Reports, self scout, opp analysis,
OL coach: Gen run, SY-GL-RZ run, 4 minute

The OC puts it all together and sometimes gameplans/coaches a certain segment: e.g. 3rd down passing etc + analyze all game situations, game plan outline, routine sheets, scripts, playcalling,

Then Hue does all the HC stuff.

Sigh....


I don't think there are posters trying to "smear" Hue's name. I think there are posters voicing legitimate concerns. Meanwhile, the rest of everybody feels we got that "football lifer" in the front office and everything is hunky dory.


I wouldn't expect you to understand because your opinion is always right.

Just wondering why you think that?? That isn't a snarky comment....just wondering why.

Not too hard to figure out. Dorsey took the job and was okay w/Hue being here. If he wasn't, he either would not have accepted the job or he would have fired Hue. There would not have been an announcement that Hue was returning next year.

Additionally, he talked about getting players to fit the coaches.

Ok....we'll see.If we don't start to win some games, that working together thing goes out the window pretty quickly.

I think even Hue undertands that he got a bye last year and he created one this year.

He isn't getting one next year.

I think Dorsey looks for good, tough football players who love football. I think those types of players fit most coaches schemes. That's how I anticipate Dorsey will operate. After all, he will want those players to still be here in 2019 even if Hue is not.

JMHO

I don't see drafting players to fit the coach, especially one who has the worst record ever in his 1st 28 games.

The coach better coach to the players his GM gives him. Hue isn't good at that. I am convinced we would have a much better record if Hue actually ran the ball. We have a good offensive line and good backs, but Hue panics. Not a good trait in a head coach.

Regardless of Haslam's proclamation and Dorsey's endorsement, Hue's seat just got hotter, IMO. Haslam is troubleshooting, swapping components to see if it fixes the problem. If this move doesn't fix it the next component to get swapped will be the coach.

Lacking an OC, who else would there be? I don't want to see anyone fired, but with our record and half-empty stadium, Haslam is stirring the pot. Hue is safe through the end of this season and whether he is still here at the start of next, we will find out in a month or so...

No one knows if Hue's seat is hotter than it was. Come on.

The evidence points in the opposite direction no matter how many times people on here try to lobby for Hue being fired.

I feel I did

This is one of the things that has me torn on Hue and the fo. Hue has not gameplanned for his lack of talent at the receiver position. He simply has failed horribly here. He hasnt gameplanned for the poor play at QB. He fails horribly at making in game decisions based on injuries or QB with a blinding migrane.

The FO didnt give Hue the things he needs to run his offense. His offense needs playmakers at the receiver position. You cant work for the huge play just to have it bounce off the receivers hands. Hue is brilliant with his design but it doesnt do any good to have a guy streaking free up the sideline whenhe is just gonna drop it. Hue will run 2 plays to set up the one money ball play. it becomes wasted.

Receivers suck, QB sucks but we have talent at TE and RB. A good coach would have gone to more 2 TE sets, focused on the run and using playaction to get the ball to your te or rb or the one receiver who got upfield.

I would have canned both Hue and Sashi but if you get Hue better receivers, he will win you games.

Did you forget to use purple?

Lot's of personal shots.

Nice post.


You fail to metion QB play, but then again, any coach with half a ass who has a good QB and good receivers is going to win a feew games.


You bolster my point. Why keep slamming your head in to the wall throwing the ball when you have a good O-line and pretty darn good backs.


You could give Hue a backfield of Jim Brown and Emmett Smith in their prime and both wouldn't get 20 carries combined.

Hue doesn't understand that running is a investment. John Riggins is my prime example. John wasn't a gifted back. He was just a big rugged kid who ran hard. He had some speed, but nothing great. He had no no real moves, but he did have a little wiggle to his game. I mean a little. He just ran like a brick tossed your in your face..

But Joe Gibbs knew that if he fed John the ball over and over, the D would tire and his O-line and John wouldn't.

At halftime, Riggo might have 38-40 yards on 15 carries. At games end he would have 140 yards on 30 carries. All of a sudden a tired D who gave up 4 yards on a play in the first half gave up 9 yards on the same play in the 2nd half, plus a 20 yarder along the way.


Running is an investment. You can't just pick and choose when a 30 yard gain is going to happen. It just happens.

Offensive Coordinator thread, lol.

Oh, snap! Wow! You laid a burn on me! Whatever will I do now? Listen, internet forum tough guy, you can!'t hurt me with you typing, so shut it.

I stand by what I wrote, bro. We'll see how it plays out.

That right there likely sums up the opinions of many people who are not sold on Hue being the "right" HC. The Hue apologists - who demand absolutely no criticism of Hue - will not even respond to what you posted. What you posted there cannot be denied.

I don't think that means he should be fired. But he's culpable in this as well.

Scratching my head in confusion.......If you admit that the receivers suck and you think the coaches suck....then why do you expect a raw rookie QB to play to be immune from all the dysfunction you named around them?

Good post, Mourg. I agree the FO didn't provide him with all the weapons on offensive Hue needed. Maybe Coleman would have been further along if it wasn't for the two injuries but we'll never know. It boggles my mind the little usage, until recently of Njoku with no Coleman and Gordon. Or the punting the running game early for two years now. I think with more weapons any HC will do better. It seemed like we had the defense squared away minus a CB and FS. The offense is next. Tons of picks in 2018 to shore that up and grab the QB Dorsey (and perhaps Hue) wants.

j/c:

Getting back to the OC thing. I think Hue will bring one in. It might have even been part of the conversation when we hired Dorsey?

I don't think it would be a good idea to bring in a high-profile guy like Norv, though.

I like Hue's schemes and play calling. I just think we need an OC to handle the workload during the week.

What do you think of the possibility he'll promote Al Saunders?

Yes, Hue is a very good OC based on what he did in Cinci and has flashed elsewhere. The issue isn't with his ability as an OC - it's about giving Hue the time to concentrate 100% on being the HC. . . . The one issue I have is that as the Browns play caller with a rookie QB, just like last year, he has called way too many pass plays ... I understand some of that is a reflection of the team and the score during games, but we've passed more than we needed to.

LOL............I was considering asking you guys about that.

Has he ever been an OC before?

The guy has a great rep as a true professional. He knows the game. He has a ton of experience. He certainly understands the passing game. He's been w/Hue for 2 years now. I think he gets the Coryell offense, but I'm just guessing on that last one.

Like I said, Hue is known for being a good offensive coach, so I really don't want to take that away from him.

Also, I am a big fan of continuity. It would help our young players to stay in the same system.

It's a logical choice. He has been an OC, a couple times. Ironically (or maybe just coincidentally), with the Chiefs, and with the Rams. He was also head coach for the Chargers.

sounds great and all but any offensive coordinator worth it or up and comer would never leave their situation to come to a potential lame duck coach who most likely wont give up play calling