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Honestly, I wouldn't take any of the QB #1 overall in the draft this year.

According to Walter Football, Saquon Barkley*, RB, Penn State is the consensus BEST player in the entire draft. He is the Myles Garret of this draft, and when your bad enough to be drafting #1 overall for the second year in a row, you take BPA period.

We have enough money that we could probably pay Kirk Cousins BIG TIME money to get him here...especially if we end up with Manning in the Front Office, that will be enough to allay Cousin's fears about the Browns being inept...we get Manning running the show, odds are Cousins is a Brown.

At that point, you take Barkley, and get another big time WR with your 2nd 1st rd pick, and then use the rest of your FA money to shore up DB, OL, and LB...all doable in a single draft and Fa period.

Barkley is best overall player in this draft period...he is on par with guys like Fournette, Elliot, and Gurley, and from an overall talent perspective, should be the guy we take to continue to infuse talent into this team.

its far too soon to give up on Kizer anyways considering he is only 21 years old, and has been in a terrible situation here...with the right coaching and system Kizer could pull a Goff here...remember how atrocious Goff was his rookie year? look at him now...we are far too trigger happy giving up on guys...Kizer hasn't even had a chance.....

draft Barkley and don't even look back...a Rb of his caliber IS worth the #1 overall, he can easily add 4-5 wins to your team if you actually run the ball, and he can block and catch out the backfield...the guy is a complete back in the mold of Marshall Faulk....no one is going to tell me a Faulk type of back and playmaker isn't worth a high pick...

I think you put a better team around Kizer and another year, I think you get better results...its far too soon to give up on him,,Drew Brees wasn't very good either his rookie year....very few QB are ready to play day one...college is way different then the NFL.

with the right coaching and a better supporting cast, Kizer can turn things around...Goff did...Goff was horrible last year...horrible...so bad he got benched 7 games in...he was atrocious...look what a new coach and an offseason did for him...giving up on Kizer now is a mistake, and passing on Barkley is an even bigger mistake...passing on Barkely will just be repeating the past mistake of passing on Adrian Peterson in the draft...we will be kicking ourselves for years....

with the right Front Office(Manning) Cousins will not be out of reach for us, and that means we can actually take the best player in the draft (Barkley) instead of reaching for a QB...

This could just have a really profound ripple effect and no trading down. Just keep getting what best you want as you can. Placed too big a premium on stockpiling picks IMO. Somebody who can judge pigskin horseflesh needs to draft. Somebody not named Hue or Sashi or Jimmy.

I couldn't have said it better myself!

LOL

Man, this is going to be a long off season. Stupidity is going to rear it's ugly head for the next 5 months.

LOCK IT IN RIGHT NOW.

1) Rosen QB
8) Ridley WR

Rosen, an ACCURATE QB throwing to Gordon, Ridley, Coleman, Njoku and Duke is a serious 5 punch of weapons.

There's never been a simpler NO BRAINER.

If everyone makes it's through the end of the season with their jobs intact I hope they've learned enough to change their drafting philosophy to 'win now', and forget stockpiling this year and building up next years draft picks.

I wouldn't lock it in just yet. Mayfield is a better choice.

I'd rather go Fitzpatrick with 1b.

I kind of actually hope Sutton's 40 is underwhelming, and we can snag a bigger possession receiver to complement Coleman and Gordon, packaging some picks to trade up if necessary.

If we can bring in a CB like Trumaine Johnson in FA, we'd have most of our holes filled.

As far as Rosen, there is a lot to like. His decision making under pressure is a little concerning (Memphis 2017, Texas A&M 2016).

I agree that if we sign Cousins, the QB talk ends. It's a whole different discussion at that point.

Man I hope that's not in play for us.

It would for me, I think. Our QB room has been an NFL Elephant's Graveyard. Get us a player who can win and not move the bar down for a team because of inability to perform.

We get better in a hurry with Cousins. I might still want a QB with our top.

Yep. Cousins AND a QB in the first. Do we think Cousins and some real WR talent on this roster would NOT be a night-and-day difference?

But considering Josh friggin' McCown was just named AFC offensive player of the month, maybe we don't need to shoot as high as Cousins. Hell, I might think Cousins has mental issues if he chose us.

Bradford will be available.

stop.

The major problem with your argument is the "according to Walter football" part. I do go there to get names to research, his opinions not so much.

Plus, there is a long time to go before the draft. We haven't had the combine yet. The "consensus" will probably change.

Let me just say I do not want Cousins and his 25 million $$$ contract, I mean what has he done in Washington, give me Josh Rosen @ #1 and lets get going ... JMHO

How tennis helped Josh Rosen's footwork:

http://www.stack.com/a/ucla-qb-josh-rosen-shares-the-surprising-secret-behind-his-stellar-footwork

I'm wondering if the hiring of Dorsey might not decrease our chances of drafting Rosen, and increase our chances of drafting Darnold or Allen, or even Mayfield. Rosen will absolutely have to nail the interview process to get to the top of Dorsey's board, IMHO. He loves guys who are tough and love football. I wonder how Rosen will stack up in those categories for Dorsey. Just a random thought, I could totally be FOS.

We know nothing about Dorsey or Rosen.

I assume you're using the Royal "we".

I agree. I was lurking some Chiefs forums to get some fan perspectives on Dorsey and came across a great story posted there regarding Dorsey talking about his selection of Mahomes. Dorsey attended Mahomes' worst performance in college, but fell in love with his toughness and pure love of the game. He likes hard-nosed football players who are great leaders and who live and breathe football.

There are an awful lot of rumors that just isn't Rosen. That he's a bit of a diva, a bit soft, his team mates are rubbed the wrong way by his attitude and he doesn't have the obsessive love of football that people covet.

I understand that Rosen fans are quick to point out that we don't know if that's true with any certainty, but that's a question Rosen is going to have to answer if he wants to be the #1 QB in the class.

Guys like Darnold and Mayfield, however, are unquestionably leaders who are loved and respected by their team mates. Both hard nosed players who don't mind getting their uniform dirty. We know that's a quality Dorsey admires.

Again, this is total speculation, but I would not be surprised to see Saquon come off the board to us at #1 & BQBA (Darnold/Allen/Mayfied) at #7. Barkley is the the type of tough player Dorsey likes, and as old school as Dorsey is, he's stated that he's progressive in his approach. Keeping an eye on trends, will see how much success teams like Dallas, the Jags, Philly & NO are having running the ball. It could also appeal to his hard nose old-school approach. On top of that, a pick like Barkley (or Guise) would be the type of move a good GM might make if he were grooming a young/rookie QB. Whatever the case, IMO, having Dorsey certainly changes things.

Depends how the picks shake out, but at this stage, I doubt we take anyone at #1 who isn't a QB simply because there are three picks between #1 and the Houston selection that could be used on QB (Giants, Broncos, 49ers are said to be interested in trading down.)

What will muddy the waters is if we get Alex Smith. In that situation, I can see Barkley followed by a roll of the dice on a QB falling. Especially with Kizer on the roster, who should be begging for Alex Smith given his own development potential.

The only problem I see with your theory is that drafting a RB at #1 isn't progressive, it regressive.

Yeah, not saying it will happen, just that I won't be surprised if it does.

What is old is new again.

My dad always told me if you kept clothes long enough they would eventually come back in style. Though I'm not sure the same applies here. lol

Taking a RB #1 overall....lmao that would be such a Browns move.


Rosen is my guy, he is a little skinny for my liking, a little slow but he is a pure passer.

(side note: Wife was out in my shop last week, I was getting ready to go hunting. Since it was warm, I put on hiking boots. When she saw what I was putting on she said "Seriously? Are those the hiking boots I bought you over 20 years ago?" Looked at her and said "yeah".)

I'm still wearing my Carolina Linesmen boots I bought seven years ago and they're in great shape. But they're insulated and I don't have the need to wear them that much in Tennessee weather.

If I had a dollar for every time I heard someone lament the fact we didn't take LT I'd be a rich man.

If he's the front office's BPA, well...

You do mean before we drafted Joe Thomas, correct?

Was that 20 years ago yet?

Well, it IS going to soon be time to get another lt.

Bout how long people whined about it.

j/c:

I think that Josh Rosen will be our pick if he passes the character tests. That is an "if" right now. What isn't an "if" is his talent.

He is the most accurate passer I have seen in years. Guys get YAC w/him. Imagine if Gordon can stay clean and we have a passer who can lead him? He stands in the face of the rush and makes the throws.

Now, don't get me wrong...I like Darnold and people talk about his toughness, but Rosen "stands" in the pocket way, way better than Darnold. It ain't close. Darnold's mechanics break down when pressured.

Some of you might know that my reluctance w/certain qbs in recent years was that I did not know if they could read post-snap coverages. I never said they couldn't, but it was impossible to tell if they could due to their offenses.

I liked Luck and Teddy because I saw them make those reads and go through progressions. I have seen Rosen make the reads and go through progressions. He can start day one. He will not be a "project."

It all comes down to the character evaluations. If he checks out okay, it is a no-brainer. Rosen will be our pick.

UCLA plays Christmas Eve vs KState.. I intend to watch. Course Darnold plays tOSU on the 29th. I intend to watch that one too.

I'll leave the evaluations to you guys on QBs, but there's an undercurrent - a vibe - about Rosen that I don't like. I'm really glad we have a guy like Dorsey to make that decision, because I think he'll get it right, while I had no such confidence that Sashi would.

j/c...

It's QB or bust for the Browns at #1 all. Hell, Haslam said in the press conference the Browns are going nowhere until they have a QB and is charging Dorsey with finding said QB.

The notion of Barkley at #1 is borderline laughable. They could land Alex Smith in the off season and I'd be certain they still go QB #1. Does anyone truly think Dorsey and the Browns for that matter, can really afford to have another Wentz situation on their hands?

I like Rosen, personally. I'd imagine it will come down to Rosen or Darnold (assuming he declares) and it's quite possible both turn out to be excellent QBs.

As far as WalterFootball goes, that site should not be taken seriously.

This should speak to their respectability....



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