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BDU, If you look at PFF's ratings of Schwartz you will see that this year is the worst rating he's had from them so in all the other years he was probably better then the 24th rated, in fact in 2015 PFF had him rated as the 9th best OT with a grade of 86.5.


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2. mac...Sashi in no way or form was fired due to the Schwartz ordeal, that is just nonsense.


eo...you must be talking about someone else...I never said Sashi was fired over the Schwartz screwup.

At least try to be accurate.


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Originally Posted By: eotab

3. Hopefully we draft a talented OT that will play RT until Joe Thomas retires.



Was not Roderick Johnson thought of as the heir-apparent to JT?


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2. mac...Sashi in no way or form was fired due to the Schwartz ordeal, that is just nonsense.


eo...you must be talking about someone else...I never said Sashi was fired over the Schwartz screwup.

At least try to be accurate.


Screwing up the Schwartz deal had to be one of the things that helped to get Sashi fired...dumb, dumb, dumb move by an arrogant ass lawyer/GM.

yeah I know you said "one of the things" but sorry still nonsense and I am accurate...you just don't remember the garbage you write I guess.

Browns32...trust me you do not get the replacement for Joe Thomas from the 5th round...it would be a miracle if he becomes that guy. We can hope but to actually think that is THE PLAN well maybe that is why Sashi got fired??? I think the kid has some skills but Tell me how many LTs of note came from the 5th round or later???


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Browns32...trust me you do not get the replacement for Joe Thomas from the 5th round...it would be a miracle if he becomes that guy. We can hope but to actually think that is THE PLAN well maybe that is why Sashi got fired??? I think the kid has some skills but Tell me how many LTs of note came from the 5th round or later???


RJ was a two-time All-ACC LT and was projected to go much earlier than the 5th rd. I cannot remember the reason he dropped to the 5th. He has the long arms (36") and big hands (10-3/4") as well as other physical attributes that suit a LT...


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The heir apparent list for JT is probably almost as long as that QB jersey.


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j/c:

Regardless of people's views on what is going on, I think this is worth noting re: Haslem's approach to the FO:

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Under Haslam there have been 4 serious rifts in the power structure. Banner-Heckert, Banner-Lombardi, Farmer-Pettine and now Sashi-Hue. This franchise is a mess because the owner is a clown who thinks of himself as a genius. It's bad top down.


I don't necessarily know how relevant the first one is since we all know Heckert was out the minute LomBanner strolled throught the door, but the last three have been completely under his watch.

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https://twitter.com/TomPierce58/status/939184018301636608

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I 100% agree with your post, and I agree that that's an eye-opening observation. That's a lot of rifts in a very short amount of time.


The only thing I can think of is that rifts happen and go public when teams are as bad as we are. Maybe a certain level of tension is normal in NFL FO's, and it's the constant losing that serves as the gas dumped on the fire.


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There's something to be said for that, oober... once the friction becomes too much, and you're not winning games, sometimes it becomes every man for himself....


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I was hoping this thread would now just go away for now.


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LOL............never thought of that. I think you are right, bro.

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DB Justin Currie elevated to active roster; WR Kenny Britt waived

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...c2-5839433ac1f6

Cleveland makes roster move 2 days before Sunday's game vs. Packers

The Cleveland Browns have signed DB Justin Currie to the active roster from the practice squad. To make room on the roster, the team waived WR Kenny Britt

Currie is 6-2, 212 pounds and officially in his second NFL season out of Western Michigan. He appeared in one game with the Browns this season. He was signed to the practice squad on Tuesday. Currie will wear No. 39.

Britt appeared in nine games and recorded 18 receptions for 233 yards and two touchdowns.

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I liked Currie in preseason action.

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Was he the guy that got hurt or was that a different Safety?


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Yeah, he was injured. I remember him coming out of nowhere in camp and being a starter in one of the preseason games. He got hurt and waived.

I am not sure, but I think he has been on and off the roster a couple of times this season.

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Originally Posted By: Jester
Was he the guy that got hurt or was that a different Safety?


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I was hoping this thread would now just go away for now.


It can't go away just yet. With both Dorsey and Hue reporting directly to Haslam, who will now break the "tie"? Jimmy...hope not. I think it's time for Mac to begin the crusade for the executive tie-breaker. We likely need one.


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And maybe we finally have a combination in Dorsey and Hue that will want to work together.

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And maybe we finally have a combination in Dorsey and Hue that will want to work together.


Dorsey and Reid fell out when they were making the playoffs. If our record doesn't improve quickly, I have my doubts.

Hopefully winning will help it to work here.


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Dorsey wanted the job because of the picks. He knows he can cut bait with Hue at any time if it looks like it isn't going to work.


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Dorsey comes out on topof any future on field failures. Hue can't possibly out last another GM should things stay stagnant.

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What does the hiring of Dorsey mean to the front office structure?

The short answer..there will be more changes in the front office and possibly to the coaching staff.

Dorsey will add more "football scouts" and remake the front office as he sees fit. That does not mean all the analytics guys will be automatically be out of a job.

Does it mean that Andrew Berry will remain...good question?

Will Hue continue to be the Browns OC/HC?..another good question?
..I would think that Dorsey will have Hue more involved in the talent evaluation process..if he is, it will require more of Hue's time..there is only so much time in a day and we could see Hue hiring a OC, leaving him to focus more time on his primary job as a HC.

just some thoughts, looking ahead..


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Originally Posted By: mac
What does the hiring of Dorsey mean to the front office structure?

The short answer..[color:#33CC00]there will be more changes in the front office
and possibly to the coaching staff.

Dorsey will add more "football scouts" and remake the front office as he sees fit. That does not mean all the analytics guys will be automatically be out of a job.

Does it mean that Andrew Berry will remain...good question?

Will Hue continue to be the Browns OC/HC?..another good question?
..I would think that Dorsey will have Hue more involved in the talent evaluation process..if he is, it will require more of Hue's time..there is only so much time in a day and we could see Hue hiring a OC, leaving him to focus more time on his primary job as a HC.

just some thoughts, looking ahead.. [/color]


I believe you are correct, mac. Question: With both Dorsey and Hue reporting directly to Haslam, who is the "tie-breaker"? Is this where you forsee changes?


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I wonder how many teams have a "tie breaker?"

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Originally Posted By: mac
What does the hiring of Dorsey mean to the front office structure?

The short answer..there will be more changes in the front office and possibly to the coaching staff.

Dorsey will add more "football scouts" and remake the front office as he sees fit. That does not mean all the analytics guys will be automatically be out of a job.



Does it mean that Andrew Berry will remain...good question?

Will Hue continue to be the Browns OC/HC?..another good question?
..I would think that Dorsey will have Hue more involved in the talent evaluation process..if he is, it will require more of Hue's time..there is only so much time in a day and we could see Hue hiring a OC, leaving him to focus more time on his primary job as a HC.

just some thoughts, looking ahead..




The evaluation process is mostly in the off season. It wouldn't tax Hue all that much. Plus, I don't think Hue wasn't already involved in that. Hue had a voice in all of that.

As for Berry, he might go. I guess it just depends on if he and Dorsey mesh. Not sure how long it would take for that to happen or not happen. If he goes, it would probably be after the draft. Dorsey will be very active with the scouting department. At this point he has to go with what we have, but now his eyes will be in the room making his own evaluations on players. As I read somewhere, he has been keeping up with the players since he was let go by KC.


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Originally Posted By: bbrowns32
Originally Posted By: mac
What does the hiring of Dorsey mean to the front office structure?

The short answer..[color:#33CC00]there will be more changes in the front office
and possibly to the coaching staff.

Dorsey will add more "football scouts" and remake the front office as he sees fit. That does not mean all the analytics guys will be automatically be out of a job.

Does it mean that Andrew Berry will remain...good question?

Will Hue continue to be the Browns OC/HC?..another good question?
..I would think that Dorsey will have Hue more involved in the talent evaluation process..if he is, it will require more of Hue's time..there is only so much time in a day and we could see Hue hiring a OC, leaving him to focus more time on his primary job as a HC.

just some thoughts, looking ahead.. [/color]


I believe you are correct, mac. Question: With both Dorsey and Hue reporting directly to Haslam, who is the "tie-breaker"? Is this where you forsee changes?


Tie-breaker?

Shouldn't need one..should we?


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You always have a tie breaker.

Dorsey has control of the roster. He is the guy who makes the final decision.


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Originally Posted By: bbrowns32
I believe you are correct, mac. Question: With both Dorsey and Hue reporting directly to Haslam, who is the "tie-breaker"? Is this where you forsee changes?


I would hazard a guess that Depodesta and Andrew Berry will both be influential in determining a tie breaker. Assuming it still rests 50-50 amongst the four, and nobody is willing to budge or compromise, I would assume that Jimmy will decide.

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Originally Posted By: mac
What does the hiring of Dorsey mean to the front office structure?

The short answer..[color:#33CC00]there will be more changes in the front office
and possibly to the coaching staff.

Dorsey will add more "football scouts" and remake the front office as he sees fit. That does not mean all the analytics guys will be automatically be out of a job.

Does it mean that Andrew Berry will remain...good question?

Will Hue continue to be the Browns OC/HC?..another good question?
..I would think that Dorsey will have Hue more involved in the talent evaluation process..if he is, it will require more of Hue's time..there is only so much time in a day and we could see Hue hiring a OC, leaving him to focus more time on his primary job as a HC.

just some thoughts, looking ahead.. [/color]


I believe you are correct, mac. Question: With both Dorsey and Hue reporting directly to Haslam, who is the "tie-breaker"? Is this where you forsee changes?


Tie-breaker?

Shouldn't need one..should we?


Ummm...well. yeah. This is the perfect spot for an executive VP (or whatever title) such as Peyton Manning or...


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This is from April of 2016, so it is a bit dated. However, it tries to explain who has the ultimate authority for each NFL team.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2016/story/...ager-coach-both

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Haslam and Dorsey had to have discussed the personnel of the scouting department, including those involved with analytics.

I'm sure there are guys that Haslam has also 'protected', and Dorsey has the understanding that those guys are here to stay, at least in the short term depending on the success of the team. My guess being Depodesta and Berry.

Berry actually seems like a very sharp guy. Hope he stays.


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I hope Berry [if he stays] goes back to evaluating pro personnel and we allow Dorsey and his experienced scouts to handle the collegiate evaluations.

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Haslam and Dorsey had to have discussed the personnel of the scouting department, including those involved with analytics.

I'm sure there are guys that Haslam has also 'protected', and Dorsey has the understanding that those guys are here to stay, at least in the short term depending on the success of the team. My guess being Depodesta and Berry.

Berry actually seems like a very sharp guy. Hope he stays.


I'd be somewhat surprised if they both stay for several reasons. I expect Dorsey to build the FO what way he wants to, not keep everyone from the past one.


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I would think that Dorsey will have Hue more involved in the talent evaluation process..if he is, it will require more of Hue's time..there is only so much time in a day and we could see Hue hiring a OC, leaving him to focus more time on his primary job as a HC.


I have a different opinion than you on this subject If we take Dorsey at his word he will involve Hue, the assistant coach, the scouting and personel department. Just like Brown did. The difference is that Dorsey has experience with the scouting, drafting, and personal side and is more likely to make his own decisions than to give as much credence to others opinions. Will that be good or bad??? Only time will tell.


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If Dorsey is proficient at all he will find a new coach!


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I would think that Dorsey will have Hue more involved in the talent evaluation process..if he is, it will require more of Hue's time..there is only so much time in a day and we could see Hue hiring a OC, leaving him to focus more time on his primary job as a HC.


I have a different opinion than you on this subject If we take Dorsey at his word he will involve Hue, the assistant coach, the scouting and personel department. Just like Brown did. The difference is that Dorsey has experience with the scouting, drafting, and personal side and is more likely to make his own decisions than to give as much credence to others opinions. Will that be good or bad??? Only time will tell.


I tend to agree with you, GM. People need to read your post closely and absorb what you have written. I expect that while Hue will have as much input as previous, he opinion will perhaps carry less weight...


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