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I don't know why this keeps playing over and over in my head lol.

Marvin Lewis gets fired at the end of the year.

Marvin comes here and becomes the HC and Hue is back to OC.

we become the bengals...lol idk why but it does

he opinion will perhaps carry less weight...

i dont believe thats possible...

It's funny this myth that Sashi didn't bring talent here. Whatever you feel about him, most everyone would agree that going in to next year our needs were QB, WR, CB, and FS. Past that we're looking at adding depth. Those needs are attainable in ONE Draft because of the groundwork he laid.

And when you look at the young talent he did bring in, many key contributors are trending upwards in their development. Who knows how much talent we are going to lose when Dorsey blows this up this off season.

Sashi sucked. So glad he is gone.

I am so happy that Dorsey is here. I want our GM to work with our HC, rather than undermining him like Sashi did.

It is obvious that Haslam never fully bought into the idea of a complete teardown.

I wouldn't have either. I would have kept our better free agents. I would have more aggressively pursued top free agents.

However it cannot be disputed that we do have talent on this team, and that Sashi Brown was responsible for adding that talent. A complete teardown/rebuild takes more than 2 seasons though. Brown's biggest problem is that he never solved the QB position, and that he passed on 2 QBs who look like starts in the NFL. However, he did add talent to this team.

I am not really arguing w/you YTown, but I question how much "talent" he drafted considering how high our draft picks were and how many we had.

What I will say is that he left us w/plenty of picks and cap space.

I am not all that unhappy with the picks actually selected the past couple of years.

But we have to remember this, so many players causes roster turnover. And the new players are getting significant playing time. But because they do not have experience, a lot of mistakes are made. It's not until year 3 that we can make an honest assessment.

The Wentz trade out looks terrible now. Hopefully there is a solution on the way.

ytown, our offensive line is considered a strength of our team. every member of that line except jt was either signed or resigned by brown. that group will be our starting line next year for our turnaround.

our defensive front seven is another strength of our team. they will do nothing except get better. every starter except Shelton were either signed or resigned by brown. that group of starters will be the core of our defense next year for the turnaround.

had we drafted wentz this whole conversation would be different. neither I nor anyone else on here know for sure who decided we were not taking wentz but we did not. if kizer or the rookie we pick next April turns out to be “the guy” then we will be pretty good pretty quickly and to a large part it will be due to brown’s moves.

Is our defensive really a strength? How many sacks do they have?

I don't think they suck, but I think many posters overrate them.

I thought about this for a hot second my friend.

I think to answer the question of how much "talent" he added to our team.

He would have to have been retained and see what he did with those picks and cap space this coming offseason.

lol I do wonder...

He blew too many picks, cut too many players, and let too many players walk. Glad his ass is gone.

haha Vers I detect absolutely no bitterness in those comments lol

I feel ya man

I will tell you this we are getting a QB at #1 finally. I for one hope it is Rosen.

I hope it is Rosen as long as he is COMMITTED to playing NFL football and being the Browns CEO on the field. He needs to be properly vetted in this regard.

it is hard to get sacks when offenses can complete short passes easily because our cbs cannot cover. the front seven is primarily responsible for a radical improvement in our run d. that group is a strength of our team and is very young and will only get better imo.

I agree it is hard to get sacks when the other team is only throwing quick passes. However, that is not the case.

Are there quick passes? Yes.

Are there times when the qb has too much time? Yes.

after years of watching teams gouge our run defense for 100 plus yards and even 200 yards with weekly regularity I am happy as a clam ( not really sure how happy clams are) that we are finally putting the brakes on opponents run game. when we get a couple of cover corners that can actually cover for a few seconds you will see sacks increase.

I wasn't talking about our run defense. I wasn't even complaining. I simply made an observation that our front seven in general and our d-line in particular are not generating enough pressure on opposing qbs.

I don't even think it is debatable.

Well we lost Shelton and ogbah so thats a lot of power missing from the front 4. It lets them focus on Garrett completely and even he can't beat that many triple teams.

Can you link where Sashi underminded Hue, it's to often on her peoples opinion are spewed as fact that's why you ask for links also. thank you.

j/c

I'm not so sure that our front seven is a strength. I'm not going to sit here and claim it's not, but color me not so sure. On paper and in conversations on this board many are sold that it is. Many consider that a lot of talent was brought in by Sashi. But even when they were healthy, there was never consistent pressure brought. We weren't really causing QB's to get out of their element and creating enough pressure to cause a lot of turnovers.

What we do know is that there were a lot of players drafted on the D side of the ball. What we do know is that our players are very young. How they will develop is anyone's guess. What people need to remember is some players develop well and some simply don't. The evidence of that? We've had so many draft picks that if they all developed well, we would have a lot of all pro players. We don't.

I believe you do have to let these young players have the time to either develop or not. I don't believe it's time to panic and start throwing these players away or replace them. But based on the actual evidence of when they were healthy this year, I think it's far too early to talk about greatness from our front seven. The jury is still out on that.

Underminded? No, I can't link that. LOL

I know, Razor. However, our DL hasn't got much pressure all year.

We blitz a ton, yet we only have 25 sacks on the year. That's not very good.

That’s also the listing for cornerback Joe Haden, who has not played since fracturing his fibula in a game against the Colts a little more than a month ago.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...s-for-steelers/

It's not debatable... but it was. Ogbah, Meder & a healthy Shelton made a world of difference. There was a lot of immediate pressure and pockets breaking down quickly when we were healthy. The defensive improvement (particularly the front 7) is really the biggest bright spot for me this year.

I also agree that recipe changed (especially when you combine injuries upfront with a safety playing with one foot in Lake Erie) so that offenses knew they could exploit us with short passes and screens... which inevitably chops down your sack numbers.

It says we're a young team.

I don't understand comparing the record. And I still don't think some fans fully understand what the plan was... We weren't going to win, our goal was player development for two years. Our young players have been phenomenal pick-ups and our front office built a pretty good base to move forward. We're also most likely going to end up with 2 top 5 picks in the draft. We would have taken 2 first rounders anywhere in the draft actually...

The problem with the plan isn't the young players on the roster. The problem is we didn't win anything. That wasn't the plan at all. Some blame Sashi, some blame Hue. However it shook out, Hue is still here and Sashi is gone. I whole-heartedly don't agree with that decision but I'm willing to move on. The front office did exactly what they said they were going to do and Sashi was fired because of it.

Not a thing.



Side note: I find it comical that you, of all people, are attempting to use an analytical approach to determine something regarding the use of analytics.

I don't believe that raw numbers are the same as analytics.

"I do not think that means what you think it means."

They're not. Raw numbers by themselves don't tell you anything. Analytics is the manipulation/usage of the raw numbers to form a conclusion...

Purp...........getting on mac and ignoring dudes like Vambo, Dep, device, cfrs, Tony, Rasta, etc is a bit odd.

mac is way more fair than they are and he isn't very fair. LOL

You're going to great efforts to keep that board war going aren't ya there Vers.