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I was reffering to Josh Adams from ND ... thats who cal was talking about ...

CAL

Physically Josh is ready ... hes a man physically ....

If he comes out he’ll be fine in that regard ...

My main concern with him is injuries ... hes always nicked and banged up ...

Hes a VERY GOOD BLOCKER ... something underrated in backs .... hes an EXCELLENT BLOCKER ...

He also has great hands ....

My main concern is all the nicks and bruises ...

Sellfishily ... i want him to stay ... but we do have 3 other really good backs in the wings ...

It would be a huge shock if Rosen went back to UCLA, but not because of Chip Kelly. Kelly's offense can be adapted for a pocket passer (remember Nick Foles?).

That post got me fired up! Killer D! Get your QB and go wild for about three rounds and do not look back. I hope to see one side of the ball pretty well set.

(Late to the thread as usual)

There is no doubt in my mind, the first pick has to go QB. Rosen seems the popular choice, and I currently agree. That said, if Darnold comes out it could be a tough choice. Rosen is more ready and is an incredible passer. But Darnold may have the higher ceiling. He doesn't look ready to start in the NFL, but a team that can afford to red-shirt him, may end up with the better QB. But if we are looking for the surer bet, Rosen is the guy.

For the second pick; I love Barkley, maybe the best RB prospect since Peterson. But Fitzpatrick is a beast at a position of greater need. And DBs tend to have longer careers than RB.

Thanks, Diam.

This is being touted as a deep CB and RB Class. Which plays perfectly into our 2 Top 7 Second Rounders. As is every year, there will be a couple players available at 33 that are bonafide 1st round talent.

THAT is where I target the CB.

At #1 you take Rosen or Darnold. No questions asked.

And Target Minkah-Fitzpatrick with Houston's pick.

Derwin James?

This dude is a STUD athletic specimen. He plays all over the field at FSU. Can he play Center Fielder in the NFL? If we deem he CAN and Fitzpatrick is gone? James is the pick.

I play FA in a BIG way, get some exp vets, I use everything we have and start trading up.

Rosen
Fitzpatrick
Barkley
James or best WR / LT

IF i come away w 2 starters on O and 2 starters on D I'm pleased.

Done. LOL

I don't know if we could trade up enough to get all of the first 3 on your list, but I am with you. I like the idea of gaining future picks, but maybe this year we trade up and go for a little more impact quality and shortchage some of the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round selections.

Would 3 really good first rounders impact the team? I think so.

We have a bunch of guys in some stage of development. Maybe we need 2-4 guys who can step in and score some points or stop the other team on 3rd down.

I don't think we are that far away here. On O one could argue we are 1 away...a QB.

Absolutely, I want to make our move NOW!

I think we take our top rated Qb with the #1 overall pick.

With the Houston pick everyone seems to be focusing on Barkley and Fitzpatrick. But no guarantee that one of those 2 will be available. So I thought I would start a list of candidates. Doubtful we take 2 QB so I am not including any.

Saquon Barkley Rb PSU
Minkah Fitzpatrick Cb/S Alabama
Bradley Chubb DE/Olb NCST
Derwin James S FSU
Harold Landry DE/Olb Boston College
Christian Wilkins DT Clemson
Courtland Sutton Wr SMU
Denzel Ward Cb OSU

Anybody I am missing who should be on this list?
Any of these guys who should be removed?

1) Josh Rosen
2nd 1 A or B) Barkley or Fitzpatrick


Like has been said, we need difference makers. But we'll need to look into replacing Thomas as LT. I like Spencer Drango. Seems like a good guy and can play a lot of positions. But he's certainly the weakest link (with Coleman not too far behind)

It's all opinion, but I hope we don't take a RB that high. Our backs are fine. We need too much help in other areas.

Is five or so too high to take D Ward? If you believe he has elite potential do you take him and not look back? Doubt Barkley is there at five and RB there scares me. I'd like a BIG short yardage power guy at some point though.

I guess it'd also depend on where Fitz went...

Agreed. I'd like to keep Crow if he can handle it.

I think he and Duke are a good duo. In a well run offense, they compliment each other well. Duke can be dynamic, but he needs someone to handle the load. Why change what really isn't broken.

I'm just saying Barkley with the assumption that Crow is gone.


I'd like to get another safety to go alongside Peppers. I like Kindred, but I think he's more of a quality backup. Peppers and Fitzpatrick would be a force. IMO, Fitzpatrick is a difference maker

I agree. Even if Crow walks, every year guys are drafted in the 3rd/4th round that step in and do well.

If we are dead set on a back, take one in the 2nd round. I could live with that. With that second pick, we could really bolster the D. We really need a FS or corner.

Dorsey hasn't picked a running back in the first or second round iirc.

That's a great point... this league has been known to chew up RBs in 3-4 years flat. I think Barkley is a straight-up game changer. Hard to argue anyone sold on the franchise QB / elite RB concept. That combo is a head start on the race to a SB. However... I have to agree with the fact - Fitzpatrick is the prudent, restrained pick that fits this team's needs the best. Yet "prudent, restrained" nets you an absolute beast in every category... speed, suffocating coverage, great tackler, elite athleticism. It's actually a no-brainer, once you get your brain to stop thinking about Barkley.

I'm going on record here, although it's way early and things change so maybe he won't come out but, take Darold #1. He has a winning 'it' factor, plenty of ability both in and out of pocket and time to mature learn a little before taking the helm. Rosen, is smooth, polished, talented thrower who has two problems we don't need - interaction with others and once he is moved off the pocket, he can't create.

Second pick, Best Player Available. Start looking toward second round BPA talent, as well. Use the picks, take a chance on selecting talent for a change and let's see how drafting actually works out.

We'll see how valid my views are.

Your views are valid, and you are correct, much will change between now and late April. We don't know who is going to enter the draft. We haven't seen combine work. What we do in free agency will have a impact on what we try to do in the draft.

I'd take Darnold if he comes out too ... I bet he stays at USC though

Wasn't sure where to put this post.... Figured I'd throw it here as it sorta fits.


I went back in time to see what the board thought of Wentz mostly to see the progression from "he's a second round guy to he needs to be our pick at #2."

You can do the same if you like...


It was kinda interesting and I see similar patterns we see with Mayfield now.

I liked bonefish in the thread as his posts sorta give a picture of the movement from Wentz is a second rounder to Wentz is the second pick.

Mad props to cfrs, at one point he jokingly said we should draft Myles Garrett and Josh Rosen. Mind you this was January 2016. Just sorta did a double take since that was 2016 and as it is now it's actually possible we end up drafting both as we already have Garrett. Such clairvoyance!

I didn't look at many other threads back then, but mac did suggest we should consider Dak Prescott of all quarterbacks, and how he's similar to Wilson in some regards. Kudos, I think he was right. There might have been another thread about Prescott but I didn't search.




As for the parallels to this draft...

Mayfield seems to be climbing the draft boards.

Allen seems like the Paxton Lynch of the draft. I believe there were thoughts that we'd take Lynch at 2, as we are said to be taking Allen at 1 by someone. But at this time, I think both will fall (Lynch did).

Next, it seems as though a lot were split on trading back or taking one of the QBs and that neither QB would be worth anything. Similar to now.

Mind you, the entire thread takes place before signing RG3 and before trading the pick to the Eagles.

I decided to go to the "Browns trade the 2nd pick to the Eagles" thread for additional commentary.

Trading the pick thread...

A lot of us were happy with the trade and we took advantage of the Eagles. Interesting how some additionally didn't want to trade out of the 8 spot, but that's what we did. Some of us weren't happy with the trade. Two posters were very upset with the trade, mac and bonefish. Only commenting about this because I thought it was funny bonefish said it was a terrible trade and he was done, c-ya... glad he didn't leave for good as I'm enjoying his QB thoughts now. But...in hindsight, maybe he was right.

Anyway, the whole reason I went and looked is because I was wondering what should we do with our picks now and I thought it's going to be fun in two years to come back and see what we thought before it happened. So, I went to see what we thought before it happened.


I still think QB (Mayfield) at 1 and Minkah at 4.

j/c

The Browns have been a bad team for a long time. And the Browns haven't had a reliable QB for a long time. For as bad as we've been, he hadn't been bad enough to land the 1st overall pick. Then last year we did it, but there weren't any QBs worthy of the #1 pick. I lamented our timing, why couldn't we have waited a year when Darnold would likely be available. Now we have the #1 again, 2 years in a row! We can have Garrett and Darnold too!!

I get the arguments for Rosen, he throws so perfectly it's hard not to see him being a successful NFL QB. But something about him bothers me. Allen is enticing, but we already have Kizer and I see them as very similar. Why would we want 2. I don't get Mayfield. As much as devicedawg hates it, I see Manziel 2; similar size, game style, and demeanor. Maybe he will have a different career, but I'm not interested.

I want Darnold. I know he's not as advanced as Rosen, as accomplished as Mayfield, or as big and strong as Allen. But something about watching him play, makes me think he can be something special. Like so many others who have tried to describe him, whatever "it" is, he has "it"!

Thanks for your observations, bone. The QBs I want are either Rosen or Darnold, nobody else.
Maybe I'm slightly more for Rosen, but I'd be happy with either, to be honest.

Sign Cousins or Trade a Mid Rd. Pick for Smith: From What I Have Read That Seems to be the Going Rate for Him:

1. Sam Darnold (Although I Like Allen Too)

4. Fizpatrick/Barkly (we need offense but our secondary needs a lot of help)

Trade back into 1st for WR Calvin Ridley Alabama and get our new QB another weapon ...

Darnold and Fitz ....

I would be good with that. The only thing the Browns can do to screw this up is go non-QB at 1 imo. There are 4 guys with top 10/15 grades in this draft and we haven't had a QB in 30 years.......don't be cute find the one you like and pick him 1st. Then at 4 Fitz, Barkley, BPA whatever.

Just find the QB!!!

Right now, assuming no signing of Cousins or anything.

Josh Rosen and Fitz.

Hopefully we can re-sign the Crow. I'd like to trade up back into the first if possible too to get my hands on a corner.


In fact, I wouldn't mind trying to package our two third round picks, with our 2nd round picks to jump into the end of the first. Get ourselves a quality corner, WR, or RB. (why not all) That'd be sweet


There's a lot of guys on this team with talent. We have a lot of draft picks. We're going to be signing veterans. There's only so many roster spots.

I don't care if they do sign Cousins....although that would not be my strategy. He's 30 and we have two top 5 picks and 4 guys with top 10/15 grades. This is a VERY good QB draft.......just identify the best of the 4 and draft him. The strategy should be easy its identifying the right QB that's the hard part.

Darnold is in play. And I suspect partly the reason he came out is that he was told we might take him at 1. And I think there's something to that because there are a lot of mocks (i know it's early) that have him going to us.

I don't think Mayfield is anything like Manziel. As much as people don't do their homework on Allen, their not doing their homework on Mayfield. Mayfield actually plays football, Manziel just ran around and threw the ball. I don't think their games are similar as Mayfield is more of a pocket passer, Johnny was more of a runner. "Backyard football" if you will.

I think we are desperate for a leader more than just a quarterback. I know Darnold might be that guy, but that's definitely Mayfield. And whomever gets Mayfield is going to get a great great leader and player for a long time. Everyone is hung up on his height, but other than those 2 inches he checks all the other boxes and he checks them hard. He's closer to being a Wilson 2.0 or a Brees 2.0 than a Manziel 2.0.

Thanks.



I feel good about what I said. I said I liked both Wentz and pimped Dak., but I don't know what I am talking about.

I'm sorry Device, I know you think the world of Mayfield. I don't. I see a guy who lacks impulse control. What do I mean? I am absolutely sure he has been told multiple times over a long period of time, that he has to stop doing stupid stuff like taunting opponents with crotch grabs and throat slice pantomimes, or running from the police for no rational reason. The idea pops in his head, and he does it without thinking, he does it even though he knows he shouldn't.

I'm a cop. Over the course of my career I have dealt with many people who can't control their impulses. They're not stupid, they may even be talented. I do not want someone who can't control their impulses being the leader of the Browns. Sorry, but that's how I see it. He maybe a good QB, he may even have the ability to be great. But he has yet to demonstrate he can control stupid impulses.

Agreed. A guy who might be seen as a great leader in college, that plenty of guys want to follow, etc. doesn't necessarily translate to the pros either.

The antics of a stupid 21 year old kid, don't always match up with a mature 30 year old vet.


Baker Mayfield, to me, looks like a total jackass. Maybe competitive but a jackass. Maybe he'll mature into something better. But I don't see him as a leader of men, or whatever. Two totally different games.


EDIT: That's not to say I don't like Mayfield. I just don't like Mayfield as a leader or anything like that. He could be a Philip Rivers, who seems like a total jackass, yet is great at what he does.

I would take Barclay at #1 and Fitzpatrick at #4. We already have a big strong armed QB who has a years experience plus is younger than the QBs in the draft. I would sign either Cousins or trade for Smith. I am curious to see what Haley thinks he can do with Kiser. I would like to see the Browns use thier draft picks on playmakers. That is what I would do but we will probably draft a QB at #1. If we do I would go with Darnold.

Assuming we don't sign any FAs ...

Darnold or Mason at #1

Saquon or Fitz at #4

I am happy with any combination of those.

Ideally I would trade down from #1 to either #3 or #5 and pick up an extra first round pick for next year. At #3 or #4 we can still land a franchise QB.

67% as a Freshman is Insane. It's what put him on the map.

Even 64% his Sophomore year is Insane considering the pathetic OLine he had.

High YPA also.

This is MY Kat. Locked in.

Let Cousins go elsewhere, sign a Vet and we are SET for 10+ years.

Take Darnold at #1. (it's NOT FOR SALE)
Minkah-Fitzpatrick at 4.

IF Minkah-Fitzpatrick goes at 3 you take Barkley.

The BEST QB in a strong class and the #1 player in the draft. THAT'S how you Draft.

I wonder. If FA brings us FS Joyner and CB Fuller/Gaines. If we'd take Barkley over Minkah-Fitzpatrick if both are there at 4. I bet we would.

This is where Chase Daniels comes into play. Dorsey knows Daniels as well as Jackson knows Mccarron.

I'd also ink the Sure Handed Landry. And still go after a Simmie Cobb's. We gotta get some of the STENCH at WR out of here. Lewis, Coats etc.

Darnold
Barkley and Duke
Njoku
Gordon, Coleman, Landry, Cobb's and Higgins.

Haley could work with that group.

This might be the strangest thing I've read. While I'll respect your opinion if that's how you feel but I believe this is completely false. I don't think he's been asked to quell his "impulses" in fact, I think it's the opposite.

I think the fact his teammates and other players just gravitate towards him would certainly trump this notion of "impulses." It's simply not an issue.

There is nothing this team and franchise needs more than a player like Baker Mayfield. It will be a shame and regretful for the next 10-15 years if we pass on him. We can erase not drafting Wentz with selecting Mayfield.

Darnold please and thank you.

I am starting to lean that way. Rosen is good, but his brain is weak....meaning concussions.