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Josh Allen??? Who is this guy?
If you are looking for potential this is the guy.
Looking back over many years I have seen a large number of college quarterbacks coming into the NFL. Rarely do you see the kind of pure talent that Josh Allen has.
His background is surprisingly similar to Carson Wentz. He even played for the same coach. Both guys were not on the recruiters radar. Both guys played multiple sports rather than concentrating on one. Both ending up playing for small schools because nobody else was interested.
Allen is a challenge to evaluate. His numbers are not so good. I watched a game against Nebraska where it looked he was playing catch with the wrong team. I have seen him miss layup throws. At times throw the ball behind guys on simple passes.
At the same time I have seen him make throws that few people could make.
He is big, strong, fast and tough. When he releases the ball it jumps from his hand. Have not seen a guy fire the ball like that since Marino. He has rare arm ability. I watched his game film but he is one guy who is worth looking at a highlight reel. The reason is because you get to see a bunch of throws that just blow your mind.
He is a strong runner with excellent speed. Can throw on the run and make it look easy. He can reach any spot on the field. He can play in or out of the pocket.
The problem has been production and consistency. And that is a problem. He leaves plays on the field that should be made. He makes questionable decisions.
He is difficult to figure out because it hard to tell if some of the issues are a product of the talent around him. Are the mistakes a lack of experience and part of the learning curve all young quarterbacks go through? Or, will they part of who he is? Will he outgrow the errors or will he not?
Like Mahomes last year someone will see a rose others will see the thorns.
Josh Allen really intrigues me. If this guy can put it all together man you got a gem.
He is a great example why it so difficult to forecast quarterbacks into the NFL. Is he another Jake Locker or Dan Marino?
I would not take him as the first pick. Just too risky. However I would take him in the first round. It would all depend on who was taken before him.
At the same time I would love to get this guy just based upon his upside.
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I really have lied Josh since watching him play last year .. And , that's why I tell folks to look at Furguson too .. I both end up doing well in the NFL.
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Josh Allen??? Who is this guy?
If you are looking for potential this is the guy.
Looking back over many years I have seen a large number of college quarterbacks coming into the NFL. Rarely do you see the kind of pure talent that Josh Allen has.
His background is surprisingly similar to Carson Wentz. He even played for the same coach. Both guys were not on the recruiters radar. Both guys played multiple sports rather than concentrating on one. Both ending up playing for small schools because nobody else was interested.
Allen is a challenge to evaluate. His numbers are not so good. I watched a game against Nebraska where it looked he was playing catch with the wrong team. I have seen him miss layup throws. At times throw the ball behind guys on simple passes.
At the same time I have seen him make throws that few people could make.
He is big, strong, fast and tough. When he releases the ball it jumps from his hand. Have not seen a guy fire the ball like that since Marino. He has rare arm ability. I watched his game film but he is one guy who is worth looking at a highlight reel. The reason is because you get to see a bunch of throws that just blow your mind.
He is a strong runner with excellent speed. Can throw on the run and make it look easy. He can reach any spot on the field. He can play in or out of the pocket.
The problem has been production and consistency. And that is a problem. He leaves plays on the field that should be made. He makes questionable decisions.
He is difficult to figure out because it hard to tell if some of the issues are a product of the talent around him. Are the mistakes a lack of experience and part of the learning curve all young quarterbacks go through? Or, will they part of who he is? Will he outgrow the errors or will he not?
Like Mahomes last year someone will see a rose others will see the thorns.
Josh Allen really intrigues me. If this guy can put it all together man you got a gem.
He is a great example why it so difficult to forecast quarterbacks into the NFL. Is he another Jake Locker or Dan Marino?
I would not take him as the first pick. Just too risky. However I would take him in the first round. It would all depend on who was taken before him.
At the same time I would love to get this guy just based upon his upside.
If you don't take him the 1st or second overall pick, you aren't getting him imo
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Not sure about that. Long time till the draft. Other quarterbacks and position players could go ahead of him. It depends on draft order and the needs of teams.
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I mentioned Josh Allen last year and bar a few who commented the post seemed to fall on deaf ears with our self proclaimed "experts" on this board. Anyway, good to see he is getting some notice. He did struggle against an Oregon defense, however. But, let's not hold that against him.
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He is awful and whomever drafts him will be fired within two years.
Kyle Boller 2.0
you had a good run Hank.
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Not sure about that. Long time till the draft. Other quarterbacks and position players could go ahead of him. It depends on draft order and the needs of teams. Man I must have replied before my coffee, I was thinking of Rosen not Allen lol
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Saw him play live in your backyard last year against UNR. Really caught my eye. Then started to see articles about him being a first round guy shortly after.
So watched him a few times this year. Looks like hot garbage. Don't know who the real Allen is. Based on what I've seen this year I'd stay away from him.
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Interesting. Looking at that, has anyone heard from Candyman or Clevesteve lately?
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul.
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It would be a good thing if people would do some research before making comments.
At least take the time to watch 3-5 games.
Look around at scouting reports. Hell even highlight film.
These are 2016 highlights. 2017 new team with much less talent consequently his numbers this year suffered.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkA4MzHFV8A
But no we consistently get comments from one game or quotes from someone else on scouting.
People are going to criticize without knowledge of what is going on inside the program.
Allen's coach and the offense he runs are the same as Carson Wentz.
When Wentz was in college everybody was touting Paxton Lynch and Goff. Wentz played for a small school and many said "his level of competition is inferior" so he is lacking.
Nobody was a bigger fan of Wentz. But I will tell you straight out Josh Allen could surpass Wentz. This guy has big time potential.
Time will tell if he has the Wentz's mental game. But from a physical standpoint Allen has it all in spades. Reminds me of Elway when he was in college.
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The physical materials are definitely there to work with. His problem isn't the highlights, but the sheer number of lowlights.
Plus, now he has a shoulder sprain. It might actually be good for him in the long run if he uses the time to focus on the mental side.
I think I was one of the first Wentz Warriors on here, too. Allen isn't Wentz, though. Physically, Allen could be better, but he's not the same total package.
Developmental guy sure, but not a "sure thing."
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The thing about evaluating college players in particular quarterbacks is that to me people judge them like they are already in the NFL.
They are looked at from a critical lens of what they are doing wrong. There are so many variables that effect their stats that I don't believe they can be judged that way.
In my mind you have to look at what they do well. What natural talent does the guy bring to the table. From a coaches perspective "what do I have to work with here".
All rookie quarterbacks have to learn the NFL game. All have things to work on and develop.
Josh Allen brings a ton of natural talent. In addition under his coach and the offense they run; he is given the same type of responsibilities Wentz was given. Huddle, line adjustments, ability to call the game and make audibles.
I watched an interview with a Wyoming reporter, Allen and the offensive coordinator. I can't find it but it was interesting.
There is no doubt that he needs time to learn the NFL but that is the case with most. None are plug and play. None are ready to lead a team to the playoffs.
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Saw him play live in your backyard last year against UNR. Really caught my eye. Then started to see articles about him being a first round guy shortly after.
So watched him a few times this year. Looks like hot garbage. Don't know who the real Allen is. Based on what I've seen this year I'd stay away from him. Hot garbage puts him a level above our current three QBs.
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He makes a lot of bad decisions. He does things QBs are taught not to in Peewee.
I understand there is a learning curve, but if he hasn't learned some things yet, you are looking at multiple years to transition, if he can at all, and fans aren't that patient. Especially with ~1st rounders.
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Allen is oozing with first round talent. I can't wait to see what he runs in the 40, he is every bit as mobile as Mayfield and he's 6'5 230. He has a plus arm and is tough to bring down in the pocket.
Some team is going to fall in love with this kid. He has an outstanding physical skillset.
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There are a lot of rumors that both the Jets and Denver are in love with Allen. Of all the quarterbacks in the draft, Allen is the one who has made some throws that you just stare at in absolute awe.
Agreed. Someone is going to fall head over heels with that talent.
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Allen is oozing with first round talent. I can't wait to see what he runs in the 40, he is every bit as mobile as Mayfield and he's 6'5 230. He has a plus arm and is tough to bring down in the pocket. I don't remember where I read/heard it, but supposedly Baker Mayfield will run his 40 in the 4.8 range.
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Allen is oozing with first round talent. I can't wait to see what he runs in the 40, he is every bit as mobile as Mayfield and he's 6'5 230. He has a plus arm and is tough to bring down in the pocket. I don't remember where I read/heard it, but supposedly Baker Mayfield will run his 40 in the 4.8 range. He doesn't look quick or fast on tape.
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December 30th Liberty Bowl .. Riely Ferguson .. If you want to see a kid with a split second release ..
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December 30th Liberty Bowl .. Riely Ferguson .. If you want to see a kid with a split second release .. ...And predetermined reads. Developmental prospect, sure. I don't think I see more than that at this point. I do like his top receiver.
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J/c watching Allen
The draft media is a joke.
Anyone who touts Allen and knocks any other prospect on accuracy needs to check themselves
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J/c watching Allen
The draft media is a joke.
Anyone who touts Allen and knocks any other prospect on accuracy needs to check themselves
Him and Riley Ferguson are Pax Lynch 2.0
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J/c watching Allen
The draft media is a joke.
Anyone who touts Allen and knocks any other prospect on accuracy needs to check themselves
Him and Riley Ferguson are Pax Lynch 2.0 Wasn't that same thing said about Wentz?
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That's the nice thing about the game Football ; it all plays out in the end .. I started watching Allen last season, and picked up on Ferguson ( courtesy of my Son ) early this year ... I like both are really Swell ( hows that for going back in time ).. Long way off is the Draft . Bowl game / Combine , who knows at this point . Venture a guess right now , Allen might not make it out of the first and Ferguson late second early third.. Long way to to go yet !!
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J/c watching Allen
The draft media is a joke.
Anyone who touts Allen and knocks any other prospect on accuracy needs to check themselves
Him and Riley Ferguson are Pax Lynch 2.0 Wasn't that same thing said about Wentz? Nope. Wentz and Lynch At the time I called Lynch Blaine Gabbert 2.0 Maybe that's what you're thinking of? Although I did say some pretty nasty things about Wentz that draft. I was Goff or bust the entire draft and it definitely made me have very bad optics on Wentz.
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He’s has more games this season throwing for less than 100 yards (3) than he does over 300 (1)
In the Mountain West..
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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Meh. Looks like another Kizer to me. Having a decent game but overall just another big strong inaccurate arm.
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College stats do not mean much to me. They can be very misleading.
Unless you are in tune to the college and know the changes in the roster year to year. And know the roster depth and the impact of losing players. You are then uninformed.
Allen's numbers will not mean much to the GM's evaluating him. They will look past that and zero in on what can he do that will work in the NFL. "What do we have to work with here", will be the attitude.
Josh Allen will be drafted in the first round. Mayfield most likely will not.
I am all about Rosen and Darnold but I will say this don't fall asleep on Josh Allen he will be well received by pro teams.
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He had two receivers last year that ended up in the NFL .. I think and a couple of O lineman .. Beating a Dead Horse , I still like Reily Ferguson in the later rounds ..
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Josh Allen will be drafted in the first round. Mayfield most likely will not.
Not sure why the hate for Mayfield, but there's no doubt he'll be drafted higher than Allen.
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I don't think so. Alen looks like a franchise QB. Mayfield ,not so much.
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I get a kick out of folks who talk in absolutes ; Like to have me one of those crystal balls !
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Where do you get hatred?
Just because I said that Mayfield will most likely get drafted in the second round that's hatred?
Allen is considered a better pro prospect according to
most that cover the draft. That is just fact.
Just because Mayfield most likely will win the Heisman and has great stats at Oklahoma does not dictate his draft position.
Mayfield has proven he has talent. He could very well prove it at the NFL level. Where you are drafted does not determine your NFL career.
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Allen makes me nervous.
I hope it's not the Browns that draft him.
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Unfortunately there is more to being an NFL quarterback than 6'5" with a rocket arm. I think we've seen that. Not sure why you think Mayfield will "most likely" get drafted in the second round. He's definitely a first rounder and Allen is highly more probable to fall to the second round than Mayfield. Allen is considered a better pro prospect according to most that cover the draft. That is just fact. Um. No it's not.
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Mayfield is gonna have to answer a lot of questions in the Georgia game. I'm still not sure he can win from the pocket against a good defensive team. It's easy to look good against the Big 12, but another thing to play against good defenses that have NFL players on them.
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Mayfield is gonna have to answer a lot of questions in the Georgia game. I'm still not sure he can win from the pocket against a good defensive team. It's easy to look good against the Big 12, but another thing to play against good defenses that have NFL players on them. You guys. Really what questions. To play against a good team? I think people can't see the forest for the trees.
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Let's see where he gets drafted.
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yep , then we can compare Crystal Balls ..lol
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