DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum So, let's say YOU are the Browns head coach.....

Let them... then maybe we can recover our fumbles.

I tend to avoid the PF forum as much as I can because I don't want to fight and disagree with the average fan. BUt once in a while I just can't keep my big mouth shut.

But isn't Hue the solution? If it is that loaded, mess that up. Break the box clog.

We do not do much to misdirect or run outside, screen. Our solution seems to be to run into the extra man for a yard or two. I just think that is dumb. Do something different they have to adjust to. Seems random. Just aggravates me.

Very STUPID, but we don;t know if their was a injury problem with Crow. If not then the game plan really, really sucked.

Watch: Isaiah Crowell nearly hits 20 mph on long run vs. Ravens

http://brownswire.usatoday.com/2017/12/1...-run-vs-ravens/

Isaiah Crowell proved he has some speedy wheels in the open field with his long scamper against the Baltimore Ravens. Crowell nearly hit 20 mph as he raced through the second level of the Ravens defense on his long 59-yard run in the second quarter.

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The run, as it looked in real time: Video

Kenneth C. Highsmith‏ @High5676Kenny1
Dec 17
Replying to @NFL_DovKleiman

Did you see that block by #62?

Im in the coaches know more than me camp and even the most basic of plays if executed properly can be successful. My one gripe would be some of the situational play calls where Hue tries to catch the opponent off guard to gain the advantage. With that said a qb sneak
On 4th and 1 fell short yesterday and that was man on man. I want to say simpler passing offense would reduce turnover and be more effective because I’ve seen it work for before but I think hue is really coaching specifically to Kizer strengths he struggles with prob n Lonny accuracy leading receiver on the run especially against goo ds. He throws one of the more accurate deep balls in the league and apparently handles concept of 4 verts well. I don’t like how our team performs in critical situations and can sometimes will question a play during game but any honest reflection afterwards they fall short on execution and the call was good if not great

Looked to me that all the receiver were blocking like they were expecting shovel pass but not sure why he would have that clutter someone’s not doing what they’re supposed to obviously

Do you read the board, bro? There are all kinds of posters calling for Hue to be fired. And you just poured more gas on the fire.

You guys [censored] me off.

We are 16th in rushing and teams dare us to throw. We are trailing in almost every game. But, let's blame Hue for not running the ball more. Because, you know, firing Hue will solve all of our problems. GMAFB!

Firing Hue solves one out of ten problems. . GMAFB!

Honestly, i'm leaving it up to Dorsey.

I just have a hard time thinking, no matter what Haslam says, Hue wins one game this year and gets to be a coach next year.


I'd like for it to be so (with stipulations of course. Like get an O-Coordinator).

But I wouldn't be surprised if Dorsey is making phone calls and getting feelers out there on new head coaches.

Truth is, we were always going to be bad these two years because we tore down a roster, that in many ways probably didn't need to be torn down. Sashi made some poor decisions too. The screwed up AJ McCaron trade (which I'm happy didn't go through), was writing on the wall. I listened to this podcast of some Dan something guy who's a contributor for Cleveland.com who was defending Sashi, but didn't even get into that point. Haslam told him to get a guy, and he failed on the paperwork (on purpose or not). That'll get ya fired, lol.

And that's not to mention that Jimmy G was available to the 49ers, but somehow not us? That's nonsense. Sweeten the pot so he is available. Change their mind.


But either way, with no QB, and little talent on the team, Hue didn't stand much of a chance to win many games. Even win more than a handful. Yet 1 or 2 wins in two seasons is going to get you fired from pretty much every NFL Team under NFL Standards.

I was hoping for 5-11 to 7-9 this year. God I was wrong. I misread the QB situation big-time.



But still. While I'd like Hue to come back next year with an O-Coordinator, I find it hard to believe he will make it back, no matter what Jimmy said when he fired Sashi.


More-likely, Jimmy fired Sashi, hired Dorsey, and Dorsey is making phonecalls behind Hue's back, as was done to Sashi, feeling out guys he'd like to hire. If some show interest, Hue will be fired.

Heck, I bet we've interviewed a minority candidate not coaching in the NFL to fufill the Rooney Rule already


EDIT: This is just my opinion, but I mean, how many guys win 1 or 2 games over two seasons and continue coaching a team? There's way too many other guys chomping at the bits to get their chance

Firing Hue would be stupid!

Maybe. But here's my question.

Do you think Hue will be here next year?

Not what the smart decision is. Do you think he'll be here?

I don't know, Petey.

What I do know is this:

--Haslam said he would be back next year on the same day he fired Sashi. Why would he say that when he just fired the other guy?

--Dorsey took the job knowing that JH was wanting to keep Hue next year. He has said he is a football guy. He said he has to get him some players.

--Dorsey did not guarantee that Hue would be back.

--Going 0 for the season is hard to overcome in regards to job security.

Thus, I don't know what we will do. I can only express my opinion that firing Hue would be stupid because it would do nothing but set us back even further. It's time for Haslam and the Browns to stop listening to the dumb ass fans and stay the course.

I see your points of course.

Haslam looked for a GM while Sashi was still hired.

I just wouldn't be surprised if Dorsey is looking for a HC while Hue is still hired. If he finds what he's looking for, Jackson will probably be replaced.



I like Hue. The players seem to play hard for Hue. And winning games with Kizer as your QB, and this receiving core is showing to be very difficult.

But, history has shown that very few coaches who win 1 or 2 games over the course of two seasons keep their jobs. I'm sure Hue Jackson realizes that too.


No matter what vote of confidence Jimmy has given Hue.



Like I said. The players seem to like Hue. But I would require him to get an O-Coordinator next year. Not necessarily someone who calls the plays. But someone who is either A) Experienced at being in charge of an offense . or B) Someone who can run this offense and be groomed to call plays by Hue



The one person I definitely want fired is Tabor. I've wanted that for years now. Teflon Tabor is a tough guy to get rid of. I think he dates Haslam's daughter or something



Seems like we're pretty close to being on the same page though

Petey............you asked me a question and I gave my opinion, which was clearly that I did not know. What are you debating? Seriously? I said I didn't know what the Browns will do.

What more do you want me to say? Sorry bro, I am not guaranteeing that he will be fired.

I think you posted before my final edit. I've got this habit of editing after I proof read my post after it's been posted. Also I'm off the coast of Miami about 15 miles. Have a cellphone in a porthole in this medal box hooked up to tether. It's a struggle


As I said, I think we're pretty much on the same page.

My opinions are pretty close to yours. Maybe different on Teflon Tabor and needing an O-Coordinator.

But otherwise, we were saying the same thing.


Like to see Hue Jackson stay, history makes it seem unlikely. I added in that Dorsey might be looking for a coach already behind Hue's back.

It's cool. And I agree that Hue needs an OC.

Sorry for getting so upset earlier. I can handle some guys saying crap because they always do, but I get upset if guys who I respect say those types of things. I got fired up when I read GM's comments, but it is mostly because I respect him so much.

Not sure if that makes sense?

Yup, it's something you're passionate about. And it matters more to you because GMDawg is a guy you've talked to a lot over the years.

I've grown up with all you guys on the board. It's been a big part of my life for awhile. Like maybe 13 years or something (first Browns board and all, I think somewhere around the William Green, Jeff Faine, Winslow Drafts). I remember you writing me a nice post when I was in College saying that you were impressed with my football knowledge, and I should keep posting more.

Dunno what happened since then with that knowledge though

You are one of the best posters on here and I always look forward to reading your takes. We don't always agree, but then again........we're not supposed to.

And yeah........post more. It's good for the board to have quality posters express themselves more often.

LOL.....

How stupid can you be to fire a 1-30 coach....

Retaining him is not stupid, its Browns smart....

Browns actually rank 3rd in the NFL rushing yd/att.

Also, the Browns lone touchdown drive this past Sunday, starting from what the 10 yd line, had zero pass attempts.

As I said above I don't think Hue should be fired. I believe he deserves one more year with a more talented team to prove himself.

if i was hue i would invest in one... lake is mighty cold about now...

Is Hue's offense a true west coast offense, or does he come from the Air Coryell tree of coaching?

Coryell.

That's what I thought, I understand how the concept is suppose to work, but don't you really need an experienced QB to run that offense to it's fullest? Aren't the reads a little more complex in that offense? As opposed to the west coast?

Hue started out under Shotty & Spurrier in Washington as the RB coach. I believe Shotty's tree is Bill Arnsparger & John McVay. Hue's listed as coming from Marty's coaching tree. (Along with McCarthy, Cower, Arians and a boatload of others.) I can't find a tie to Coryell.

He does run a lot verticals, which would suggest Coryell. Not saying you're wrong.

Yeah, I get the similarities are there, I just can't find the connection.

I'm old school. If I had a choice I'd like to see ground and pound. Run it all day long, control the clock, play good defense, but that probably wouldn't work in today's NFL. Although I did kind of like watching the run and shoot when Atlanta ran it.

Hue deserves?????? Why would Hue deserve anything?

The worst coach in NFL history deserves a shot..... that's just a complete aberration.

You and others may have faith in Hue, but please don't ask others to understand you.

Because he has been placed in a no win situation for two seasons in a row. I am not saying Hue is the answer as our Head Coach, BUT I am not say he isn't either.

I would be Ok replacing Hue by Pettine....

Players don't respect losing coaches and they never did...

Also, nobody respects someone willing to do whatever it takes to hold on to the position...

Did Hue say something on the Real players from the GM? What kind of respect do you hold for a cockroach?

I agree actually, not about the deserving another shot, but about being put in a rough spot. I sometimes wonder if he fully understood what he was getting himself into. I think the front office had been very straight forward about their plan, either Hue didn't understand, underestimated his own coaching skills, or didn't care. I'm thinking a little of it all.

But I also don't like the approach of look at me, I'm a good coach, I just didn't have the players.... Yeah, you know what, we know. The front office explained this from the onset. We were going to be young and build through the draft. That was the plan.

I've seen enough to think Hue can be a decent HC. My problem is lack of adjustment, abandoning the run, making players fit the system vs making the system fit the players, clock management, and losing so many leads to eventually lose games. These are not traits you find in a super bowl HC!

I think the best thing we can do is move on, new GM new HC. I wish Williams would be held over because I think he has been pretty good considering we have no secondary. Hue might even become a winner with a real QB, but improving the secondary is much easier than landing a franchise QB.

I have lost faith in Hue. I won't cry if we keep him but my vote is move on, especially if we can trade him to Cinci. Sending him to Cinci would be very good for us.

Under Bob Bratkowski in Cincinnati.