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Crow should have got more carries.

Kendall Fuller ate Gordon's lunch.

Receivers couldn't separate downfield.

But Hue is still calling those vertical plays.

Duke is a mismatch against LBs yet not utilized until the second half.

The TEs weren't used enough.

There wasn't any play-action passes called on 1st down, despite running on many 1st downs.

Kizer had another rough, but understandable outing.
Looks for Gordon too much. Bad decision on the interception to Gordon.
Spent another game looking at receiving options that weren't getting open and weren't making plays.

I wonder what this offense would look like if they gameplanned to execute the passing game through Duke and Njoku and force feed them targets early in the games the way they're force feeding Gordon?



Greggggg kept them in the game for awhile players couldn't make plays.

Be glad to see the stutter stepping Crow gone . Dude is a backup on any other team . He gets arm tackled way too easily for a guy his size . He has no first step , no vision ,is slow and can't break a tackle why should he get more carries ? Hell Duke would be better as a full time rb

I would think Deshone would agree with you, 110%, or thereabouts.

It was cool to see Gordon quit on routes where he wasn't the first read.

Stop with the Rosen talk he wants nothing to do with the Browns.

Wentz stud
Watson stud
Goff stud

Kizer spud

Not sure if serious. And factually several of your statements are provably incorrect. Crow actually does break a lot of tackles, its something people track.

Anyhow....we should have run the ball more Crow or Duke.

how many run plays called in the second half ??

Still wondering. Anyone know?

i thought they said it was verbal not physical

I like Kiser but he is not ready to start. He is only 21yo and maybe he can develop some accuracy, touch and quit staring down receivers. I think we need to draft a QB and sigh a good veteran like Alex Smith I'm still sick we missed out on Jimmy G. It would be nice to be SF or Philly right now.

Let not send Kiser to the wood shed just yet. In a couple years we might be glad to have him. Him and our new francise QB can play behind our new vet and Cleveland will be on the road back.

Nassib also aided the first Chicago touchdown drive when he was called for unsportsmanlike conduct. “He called somebody an idiot,” Jackson reported. Jackson said that Nassib apologized to the team for the “inexcusable”

Nassib would not last in New England
Bellichek would have cut his sorry carcass tonight
But in Cleveland there's no accountability
Gordon was going through the motions
Buregress every week is getting better
Can Williams telegraph every overloaded blitz ????
Hollywood Higgins was a flop today
2 thumbs down from Siskel and Egbert.

Lol BB won a super bowl with Bustkevious Mingo and Jabaal Sheard. He might give his right nut for a guy like Nassib.

How many times did we run the ball in the second half?

We didn't run the ball more than 4 times in the second half.

We have a HC who thinks he knows what he's doing but doesn't.

We don't need Jimmy Garoppolo, Mayfield will be better.

The team is frustrated and Hue has lost them, but he believes it's not his fault because he still needs more players.

The team is a HC and a good quarterback away from being good. I pray Dorsey makes it happen.

Merry Christmas.

The all time greatest post on this board ever! (except for the Mayfield comment...:)
Merry Christmas!

I have not read this entire thread, but I will say that Gordon cannot be here next year. He was horrible today, and looked lazy in his routes. He really didn't look like he was even trying out there.

I hope we trade him for ... anything.

I am with you.

reason we suck...bad picks and bad games we lose we could of won

Don't worry offseasom is coming and ya know what that means

My attitude to this whole season

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZWWhfO3WyE

we all know those guys in sports who don't try when the team sucks ... but try their a$$es off when there's something to play for ... that's Josh Gordon

Sadly, he'd probably be AWESOME somewhere else that is good

Gordon and Hue are trying to get gone.

My prediction is Hue will be traded to Cincy.

And Dorsey will want to trade Gordon but Haslam won't sign off on it.

Imagine him in New England.

Brady might get another 50 TD pass season in his 40s.

Gordon should be working his tail off in every game if for no other reason than the Browns stood by him. I found his body language and effort yesterday to be deplorable. I get that anyone would be frustrated with Kizer throwing them the ball, but he's dealing with extenuating circumstances here. The Browns stood by him. He should be showing some appreciation through his actions.

Gordon knows no matter what he does, Kizer won't be able to get him the ball.

CHICAGO —
1. The Browns remain winless after Sunday’s 20-3 loss to the Bears and have one more opportunity — a Week 17 meeting against the Steelers in Pittsburgh — to avoid the first winless season in franchise history.
With the loss in Chicago, Cleveland fell to 0-15 and 1-30 over the past two years. It was a painful low lost neither on coach Hue Jackson nor his players afterward.

“I’m disappointed and (ticked) off because I never saw this being this way in my two years here. Ever,” Jackson said in his postgame news conference. “I’ve been coaching football a long time, been through a lot of things, seen a lot of things, and I just know without question we’re going to get this fixed.

"I was able to look right into certain peoples eyes right after the game in our locker room and I know this is going to get fixed. It’s just hard going through it. This is the hardest thing I’ve ever been through in my life.”

As Cleveland prepares for its regular-season finale, Jackson said his message to a young team won’t change. “I’m very consistent with this group. I have their total trust, they have mine. We’ve just got to do things better,” he said. “I said this a long time ago, sometimes it feels like everything’s got to be perfect in order for us to have a chance. But there’s some things we can do better.”

2. DeShone Kizer’s rollercoaster of a rookie season continued at Soldier Field. The rookie quarterback completed 18 of 36 throws for 182 yards and two interceptions, prolonging a year-long struggle with turnovers.

After the game, Kizer — a second-round pick from Notre Dame who has shown promise in stretches — took ownership of those struggles and Cleveland’s winless record.

“This definitely isn’t the type of ball I want to be playing, the type of ball I want to play is leading us to victory in any sort of fashion, whether I go out and complete every bal or don’t complete a ball at all,” he said. “It’s my job to do whatever I can to lead this team to victories and anything short of that is definitely not what I want to be doing.

In 14 starts, Kizer has now thrown nine touchdowns against a league-high 21 interceptions.

“It’s probably one of the more difficult moments of my life. Right now, we’re an 0-15 football team and obviously this is a, no matter how you put it, a historical year in a negative way and I’m the leader of this team as a quarterback,” he said.

“Records typically go on quarterbacks and they go on head coaches and I’m the quarterback of this team that’s going through some tough times … you’ve got to understand what rock bottom looks like before you can climb to the top properly.”

3. Self-inflicted wounds have plagued the young Browns all season long. Such was the case against the Bears, as Cleveland committed three turnovers and eight penalties that hampered them throughout the afternoon.

In retrospect, one moment stands out above all the others.
Trailing by a field goal, rookie defensive end Myles Garrett intercepted Bears quarterback Mitchell Trubisky on the first play of the second half and nearly ran the ball back for a touchdown. Garrett's heroism, however, was wiped out by an offsides penalty on Carl Nassib. Chicago scored three plays later and never looked back.

“That part’s inexcusable, I think obviously Carl will be the first to tell you that. He’s apologized to me in the locker room but it’s just not where we need to be. I think we’ve got to do that part better,” Jackson said.

“That was a huge opportunity there in the game to take a lead and get a little momentum and, again, we’ve all seen it, when you don't get those plays, the other team turns it around and goes and makes the play. When you’re losing like we have, these are the things that come up and these are the plays that start getting made.”

The Browns never quite recovered after that turn of events. The closest they came was later in the third quarter, when wide receiver Rashard Higgins was stripped near the goal line. That turnover ended a promising 7-play 72-yard drive.

The Browns lead the league with 39 giveaways. Jackson admitted he’s surprised how much Cleveland continues to struggle with self-destructing dynamics this late in the year.

“I’m surprised but, I mean, it’s kind of been like this right now,” he said. “Again, I take responsibility for all of it … am I surprised by the things that happen right now? Yeah. But when you’re not winning, these are the things that happen. They just do … we just got to keep working at it. It’s unfortunate, that’s just what it is.”

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...e3-690c73c5435c

I gotta say tho man, Kizer, for his age. Is taking this all on the chin like man.

Problem is, he’s taken so many on the chin he’s punch-drunk.

yeah, you have to wonder if this will be irreparable for Kizer

Yes he does. Kizer has to be one of the most inaccurate passers I have ever seen.

For sure, this is all Gordons fault... Rumor has it he was sick.

Gordon had nothing to do with the 0-12 start did he, yet he is the target of blame for all losses since he returned? Wow. Some of you guys are nothing but haters....yep, Gordon is the cause of all our problems! LMAO.

Yes congratulations to Haslam who has been building for 0-16 ever since he bought the team. Just pathetic!

Yea rite along with Jimmy ,Sashi ,Hue , his coaches and their 1st round draft picks oh yea throw in KIZER
1 and 30 and some BLAME Nassib for the loss LMAO

That was meant for Rishuz not you

Which of these three do you definitely NOT want"

a. keep Hue
b. give Kizer another year
c. trade #1 overall for future assets

I saw Gordon play like he didn't care. Same old Gordon. Can't win with him, can't depend on him. There's a lot I like about Kiser but he has a lot to work on. Mostly mentally. I hope he can be fixed but he needs to sit behind a capable QB next year. Hopefully he can fix somethings so he's ready when asked to play again. I thought our defense played well except for a couple screens and the QB hurt us running. Offensively we are not a threat to any defense and the Bears have a good one. I thought our o-line played well. Duke came to play as he always does. Our MVP. One game left against Pittsburgh.

In regards to Kizer and Coach Jackson I say , Show me someone who accepts losing and I will show you a loser.

A. If the Browns want to be petty and not draft the sure fire franchise QB, because he allegedly doesn't want to play for the Browns, then we might as well trade down from 1.

How is someone who’s been in concussion protocol for 2 months, with multiple concussions considered sure fire?

Brown did exactly what Haslam wanted him to do. Try to build a winning team without spending too much money. Haslam needed a scape goat for his incompetent, cheap ownership so he fired Brown.