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Who keeps those stats...cause that is full of crap.

I see sometimes 7 in the box then as the cadence is being called 2-3 more creep up to be within 10 yards of the LOS and close to the OTs.

Lol, you don't think the people recording the stats...that are being paid to accurately count the number of defenders in the box don't account for your obviously observation above?

It's amusing to read the reactions and the mental gymnastics some people attempt when there statements don't match up with the reality...

And to further refute the notion that Hue is right not to run the ball more because of stacked boxes I could pull the numbers from last year where Crow was iirc a top 10 RB vs stacked boxes.

Nothing supports the notion that Hue is right when he abandons the run. Especially not the stacked box notion.

Good read.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/12/27/hue-ja...er-jimmy-haslam

Kizer was thrown into the deep end with no life vest. When you put on Browns film, every week you see the offense line up in balanced spread formations and run traditional downfield route designs. It’s either isolation patterns or route combinations that are constructed in ways that require receivers to win one-on-one. The Browns, for much of the season, simply didn’t have receivers who can do that. And yet Kizer has been asked to drop back and get them the ball on full-field progressions reads. Some of those pass designs correlate with Cleveland’s respectable ground game, but the fusion is nothing like what you see from, say, the Rams or Eagles. The offense’s predictability has made it easier for defenses to disguise their looks and be aggressive. From Kizer, not surprisingly, there’s been a barrage of awful turnovers.

One NFL insider who watched the Browns closely in the preseason said that it appeared Jackson would put a full-fledged, classic dropback passing game on Kizer’s plate and just live with the growing pains. Except Jackson hasn’t lived with the growing pains—not entirely, anyway. He benched Kizer in Week 5 and again in Week 7. He’s been plainspoken about Kizer publicly, and Kizer has admitted that his confidence is rattled.

To be fair, Kizer has made things hard on Jackson. The first benching was understandable; Kizer was locking tighter and tighter onto bad reads and, by the end of the second quarter, he was taking extra hitches at the top of his dropbacks. And some of Kizer’s recent interceptions would be grounds for benching if they’d come from a veteran who knows better.

But the interceptions are a byproduct of a quarterback who has been asked all season to play beyond his comfort zone. Cleveland’s offense is not overly complex in the pre-snap phase, but once the ball is in play, you could argue that no system in football puts more of a burden on its quarterback. Kizer must make every read on his own. In other systems, ranging from Jared Goff’s in Los Angeles or Tom Brady’s in New England, there are many reads presented to the quarterback. You see those teams employ pre-snap motion that forces a defense to reveal its coverage. You see route combinations that beat anticipated coverages, and formation wrinkles that coax defenses into those anticipated coverages. You see play-action passes that derive directly from the ground game and present either/or looks early in the down. You see rub routes and stack releases that get receivers open quickly. You see receivers running intertwined routes downfield that get them open late. All of these are plays where a quarterback doesn’t make a decision so much as he just executes a design. You rarely see it in Cleveland, even though Jackson was great with such tactics as the offensive coordinator in Cincinnati.

so Tony Grossi on RBS just said Jimmy Haslam frequently calls national media members (Peter King, Schefter, etc.) and asks for their opinions on the Browns. wheeeeew.

https://twitter.com/clevezirm/status/946038083702665218

so Tony Grossi on RBS just said Jimmy Haslam frequently calls national media members (Peter King, Schefter, etc.) and asks for their opinions on the Browns. wheeeeew.

https://twitter.com/clevezirm/status/946038083702665218

Is Peter King a Browns fan? Over the years I have always felt like he has a soft spot for the team and wants them to do well. It's not like PK is a hack or gossip monger - King is actual a journalist and I always enjoy reading his pieces or hearing him talk on the radio. . . . and anyway there is a world of difference from listening to and applying any advice.

6. I think this is totally crazy to say, but the Browns could go 1-31 over Hue Jackson’s first two seasons, and I would stand staunchly behind the decision to bring him back for year three.

WHY DO YOU LIKE HUE JACKSON?
You mention you would want Hue Jackson back for a third year even with one win in two years. Love to know why. What is the point of keeping a coach with zero success running a team?​
—Dave

I know Joe Thomas pretty well, and we’ve had some frank talks over the years about the myriad coaches he’s played for. He told me a couple of weeks ago how much he values Jackson, and how much he hopes he stays. And you look at the dysfunction, and my point has always been this: The more often you change coaches and GMs, the more you set back your organization. The three foes of the Patriots in the AFC East have had 24 coaches between them since Bill Belichick was hired by New England in 2000. That has been a huge factor in the Patriots’ dominance in the division since 2001.

Do you really understand how horrible someone must be to produce 1 freaking win in 2 years.

When you put on Browns film, every week you see the offense line up in balanced spread formations and run traditional downfield route designs. It’s either isolation patterns or route combinations that are constructed in ways that require receivers to win one-on-one. The Browns, for much of the season, simply didn’t have receivers who can do that. And yet Kizer has been asked to drop back and get them the ball on full-field progressions reads. Some of those pass designs correlate with Cleveland’s respectable ground game, but the fusion is nothing like what you see from, say, the Rams or Eagles. The offense’s predictability has made it easier for defenses to disguise their looks and be aggressive.

Browns HC Hue Jackson said he doesn't know anyone else in NFL who can do this job right now the way things are, putting out fires, keeping team together is hard

Browns Hue Jackson on reports his status is still up in air w/ GM John Dorsey: "I respect that. I think everybody can have their opinion. I go by the people that employ me."

Lol, you don't think the people recording the stats...that are being paid to accurately count the number of defenders in the box don't account for your obviously observation above?

It's amusing to read the reactions and the mental gymnastics some people attempt when there statements don't match up with the reality...

And to further refute the notion that Hue is right not to run the ball more because of stacked boxes I could pull the numbers from last year where Crow was iirc a top 10 RB vs stacked boxes.

Nothing supports the notion that Hue is right when he abandons the run. Especially not the stacked box notion.

If Hue actually jumps into the lake, in winter, and can somehow manage to get Haslem to do it with him, I’ll get off his butt and agree to give him one more season. I think both those guys should be cold fish and owning it gives them some points.

I think he said that he will wait till the weather is warmer (he also admitted he can't swim).

I think he said that he will wait till the weather is warmer (he also admitted he can't swim).

It doesn't make sense to fire him after the season is over...he is 0-15 why keep him for one game.

Hue is going no where... ...GET HIM A FREAKING QB!!!
jmho