DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Hue part 3 .. he’s here to stay ...

C’mon give credit where credit is due. Hue has some virtues. For instance, he’s consistent.

Just chiming in late, but my only comment if Hue is staying that he better think long and hard and get an OC. He can't handle being signal caller and coach. Some may say he can't handle being coach period and that leads to logical but good debates too.

It's his last year and I think the ONLY reason haslam didn't can him is because Haslam already has a noted trigger finger and is ruining an already ruined franchise struggling to get qualified people in house.

JMO

No sane OC with ambitions would ever com to work for a 1-31 coach...

One that senses a job opening coming up would.

No sane fans would root for such a crappy team as the Cleveland Browns are year, after year... after year - yet, we still do.

I'm okay with a little insanity and crazy lol, if the wins start piling up and we look like a freaking football team.

Someone coming in as an OC wouldn't have to do much to look like like a genius. A veteran Qb immediately makes our offense better. And there is no downside. If the offense sucks again then people will write it off as oh well, hewas in Cleveland. Nobody could have done any better there.

I think we absolutely could be successful with Hue Jackson as our HC. However, he needs to make the changes necessary to allow that to happen. He needs to hire a competent OC and let him call the plays. He needs to concentrate on being the Head Coach and running the TEAM. To be successful the Browns MUST start running the football at a high level. In our division, it is a requirement. Especially with a rookie at QB. We must have our HC make smart game decisions. It is far more likely that Hue would do so if he wasn't trying to be the HC AND the OC at the same time. If he does those things and we get some quality players then yes the Cleveland Browns can be successful under Coach Jackson. If he fails to do those things and lets his ego override good sense then no, we will soon be looking for yet another head coach. It's all up to him. Let ego rule or make the changes necessary to win.

One thing any sports fan, off any sport is able to recognize when watching a game or following a team is if the team is well coached.

2 full seasons and seldom we saw a well coached team in the field.This has nothing to do with talent. It has to do with preparation and coaching.

I will go to the extend to say that on the majority of the games we saw a very ill-prepared,badly coached team,specially on offense, but I think it was a problem with all parts of the game.

Maybe very good teams can win without being well coached, we can argue that the Egos can get in the way of a coach, but I don't see average team being successful with bad coaches.

Hue's Browns were/are a very bad team, poorly coached. It has nothing to do with talent, it has to do with preparation, mentality, intensity and disciple.

Anyone who has ever played any sport knows how winning and records are important. Don't see how a 1-31 coach can ever command the respect necessary to field a competent team.

I think Hue has proven over the years he can build up QBs and run a successful high scoring offense. He has a track record and it's already been proven.

So then you have to ask why not for the Browns? I don't think he suddenly forgot how to coach. The main problem you see is that our team is full of too many darn rookies. They simply were not up to NFL speed yet. It takes players 2-3 years before the mental speed of the game catches up to things. This will be the third and second year for a team who added 35 plus rookies and who will add another 5-10 rookies in this draft.So that means 45 of the 55 players on this team will have less than 3 years of NFL experience. What exactly do you expect a NFL coach to do with that? Your basically asking him to field a college team against veteran NFL teams. Of course they lost their butts off.

The reality is that 2018 will still be a tough year BUT it should definitely have a strong improvement. Keep in mind Hue has also had 2 full years to evaluate himself as a coach too. He is a smart man so I am sure he knows he needs to improve in certain areas and will work on it. He still only has 3 years experience as a head coach which means he has lots of room for growth and improvement.

We are not as bad as our record indicates. We could have easily won 7 games this year. That's right 7 of our games were winnable. 4 of those games were within 3 points. We are not a terrible team that is getting blown out of the water every week. Better QB play alone and we will be at least an 8-8 team. Kicking more field goals successfully and we are a 6 win team at worst.

We just have to score more points PERIOD and we will become a much, much better team. This is the offseason that will make or break us. I hope they get it right because it might be the last chance this team has.

While I'm not sure you're right, I don't believe anyone can say for sure that you're wrong either. I've made several of the same points as you for why I certainly believe that Hue needs more time to show us whether those points are valid.

Thing is Razor, no one's really disputing your points. Those of us who'd like to see Hue move along recognize the difficultly of coaching such a young roster. What we take issue woth is his refusal/inability to taylor the game planning to what they could handle. Kizer case in point.

Look, a HC that comes, installs his system and the players are expected to grow in to it vs. adjusting that system IS a way to go about things. The problem with that is when you do that you have to realize you're going to lose games that could have been won.

That's the problem with Hue in all this. His approach contributed to the crap seasons just as much if not more than thr decisions Sashi made.

I don't think that is even close to being true.

I am not saying that Hue was partially responsible, but man, it isn't even close. Heck, Sashi and Haslam even warned us about what was going to happen.

Hue Jackson doesn't have to be a bad coach, the team doesn't have to continue to make bad decisions, and they surely don't have to continue losing every game.

Hue Jackson can begin to project some of that respect that I read he has from around this league.

One thing Hue Jackson could do, which I would consider a step in the right direction, is something I'd like to see this week.

I'd like to see Hue come out with a referendum, a statement on the projected future role of Dishone Kizer.

And I think this is necessary, before they, the team go and sign other Qb's or Fail to sign any, because Hue is the head coach, Dishone, like it or not, rookie or not, was the starter for the Large majority of 2017, and it went pretty bad, really bad, results wise.

And Hue has had plenty of time to look at plenty of tapes and none of them ended in a W, but it wasn't all the Qb, there were plenty of drops, there were tons of turnovers, blame all around.

Hue is the coach, at the moment, this is year going to be year 3,
But! With all of these GM hires, and Asistant GM hires, and Vice president of ? Hires, one thing

... ONE Thing, this Coach, or even greater this Team could do is at least make a statement in support of or even in moving on from, or even a commitment to continue to develop Dishone waiting and seeing his role,

If this team could come out, before all the other things happen, free agency, draft,
If this team could come out and make a statement in commitment of the 2017 team, and one of the faces of the 2017 team, Dishone, then I think it would be a step, a small step toward letting the World know that the Browns are Not going to just give up on Their own identity

and I think that would help build respect around the league.

And I think if Hue is the continued coach, and the face of the franchise, and the Artist of this masterpiece, then He should be the one to say it.

because it would send the right message,
That message being, the Browns have their act together and know the road they are on.

Year one offensive coaching staff:

Pep Hamilton (Gone)
Kirby Wilson (Gone)
Rock Cartwright (Gone)
Al Saunders (reassigned)
Bob Saunders (Still around?)
Hal Hunter (Gone)
Mark Hutson (Still around)
Greg Seamon (Still around)

Year one defensive staff:

Ray Horton (Gone)
Robert Nunn (Gone)
Ken Delgado (Still around)
Ryan Slowik (Gone)
Johnny Holland (Gone)
Louie Cioffi (Gone)
Cannon Matthews (Gone)
Eric Sanders (Still around)

Year one special teams staff:

Chris Tabor (Gone)
Shawn Mennenga (Gone)

Also, the QB coach we hired last year, David Lee, is also gone.

Continuity!

Who hired these guys?!?!?

You nailed it. Yes they did. But Hue made it worse. And he made it so bad that he cost people their jobs.

Yes, but he still has his job. But hey, since you know so much about what's actually gone on behind closed doors, there's no reason for Hue to be here. right?

[satire] Oh the evil HUE![/satire]

Why would you think I know what's going on behind closed doors? I don't care if he is still here or not. I don't care if he wins a super bowl with the Browns this next season, it won't change what has transpired in the past.

And they addressed the past by firing Sashi.

Let me ask you conspiracy lovers a question.

Why would the team be interviewing people for the OC position if they're not hiring an OC?

It amazes me how gullible some people are.

It's kinda like a bunch of brain scientists playing poker during rocket surgery.

You said "people". How many have interviewed for the OC position?

And who have they hired yet? How many people will they interview before they hire someone? I guess they should have people in three times a day to pacify the masses.

It is! That's why you're seeing all the turnover!

We don't need 'pacifying'. We need reassuring that Hue is a team player and that the team good is put ahead of personal preference...

Looks like Huebris whispered up his assistants about as well as he did the qb's.

It sounds like some people have already made up their minds.

But I can hear what would be said if he hired the first guy he interviewed.

"He didn't follow the process through."

"He hired the first guy who would take the job!?

"He should have been more thorough."

Why didn't he wait until the playoffs were over so he could interview better candidates?"

You see, we've all seen this movie before.

I believe you're simply blowing smoke here, Pit. Of course there is no particular rush to hire an OC even though positions are filling fast around the league...

Not quite sure what you think the conspiracy is...

j/c:

Mary Kay Cabot: “Hue Jackson Has Completely Won Over Jimmy Haslam” (Audio)

http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2018/01/12...r-jimmy-haslam/

Then let me explain. Some are now saying that a rumor is out there that Hue may not even hire an OC. Now when you use rumors to come to some conclusion about a process that has just began, I guess you can call that something other than a conspiracy if you wish. But take a look at the big picture here.

People have said things like, "The only reason Hue is still here is because he's a football guy." Like, "Is Hue going to weasel out of hiring an OC?"

Come on, people are pulling things out of their anal cavities and coming up with some very wild conclusions here based on information and facts that simply don't exist. So you can change the term if you wish, but it's certainly become reaches of epic proportions.

And let's look at reporters shall we? MKC is a reporter that consistently gets drug through the mud about being wrong, being a hack and having no idea what she's talking about...... unless and until she says something people want to hear. Then? All bets are off. It's really not hard to see.

You were addressing 'device', Pit?

Is it really a conspiracy or just a conditional position taken based on rumor? If this condition exists, then I feel this way, if not, then I feel another way. Since we're now allowed to post rumors on the site it only stands to reason people are going to post their conditional positions.

Heck, I'm not going to bother tracing it back to whether I was or wasn't. lol

Some seem to be fairly entrenched in their positions no matter what. Others maybe not so much.

I thought it was obvious Hue was kept for the sole purpose of having some type of continuity.

I mean for those on his side I just have to ask what has hue done in the past couple seasons to warrant his retention?

If coaching isn't the problem with this team why does Hue keep firing coaches?

From an innocent bystander point of view Hue led the team to a 1-15 record. The team improved the roster, added several players, veterans and high talent rookies and Hue leads the team to 0-16.

Those are the facts. But now the reason becomes we are losing because of the quarterback. A position Hue has his say on.

Maybe there's been some player development, but the only reasons I keep hearing for keeping Hue is that he's well respected, he didn't have talent, and he didn't have a quarterback.

Is this correct? If not, what is the reason Hue is still here?

So our continuity is Hue continues to whisper.

Time to provide our QB's with hearing aids.

Pit, you should just ignore those guys. They crucified anyone who dared question a single move Sashi had. They cried about there being FO threads. Now, they don't just cry on the Hue threads, they hijack and poison almost every thread on this forum and bash Hue multiple times daily. They won't listen to reason. They are on a mission to get Hue fired because the great Sashi Brown was fired. The same Sashi Brown who can't sniff an interview.

You say, "Then What is the reason Hue is still here?"

It's because Jimmy Haslem has the final say as owner, end of story.

Barring, illness, death, or illegal action to make someone else step in.