DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Hue part 3 .. he’s here to stay ...

This is hilarious. The Titans were a bad team that lucked their way into nine wins and got in the playoffs because of a tiebreaker.

Also, is it possible that Marcus Mariota didn't look very good because he was running an offense from 1993 that didn't fully incorporate all his skills?

Obviously you didn't watch Mariota pass the ball much. He doesn't do that very well. The Titans hadn't been to the playoffs for a decade.

It's funny, aren't you one of the same people that complains Hue doesn't run the ball enough? Now you complain when a HC does? Hmmmm..

Where did I say they ran the ball too much?

Maybe we are just having a communication problem here.

The Titans roster is weak. Mariota isn't a very good passer. Yet somehow Mularkey did something no other HC has done for the Titans in many years. They made the playoffs and they even won a playoff game. Firing him was foolish.

Mularkey’s handling of Murray/Henry played a big part in this one ...

Henry outproduced Murray by almost 2 to 1 in yards per rush i believe ... and Murray got as much or more work than Henry in all but 1 or 2 games before Murray got hurt BAD ENOUGH to be inactive ...

Malarkey deserved to get canned for that alone ...

the part Mariotta played in this is that he regressed big time this year ... they want someone that they believe can develop him better ... not sure thats possible BUT it is how they are thinking ...

It's possible. It's also what happens when the GM doesn't hire the head coach.

Say what you will about Mularkey, but the post read run/pass option stuff that he had for Mariota was perfect for a young QB with his skills.

On those plays Mariota had to make one simple read and if the LB dropped in coverage, he handed the ball off and if the LB came crashing, in he threw the quick slant.

It was a simple, solitary read and got the ball out of the QB's hands quick.

So what you are saying even with a BAD ROSTER a good coach can produce wins and not go 1-31?

Game...
Set...
Match..


You can drop your mic now my friend!

Even a coach with a less than average roster can.

If over half of his roster were first and second year players and the talent was as poor as it is here? Not so much.

It's nice to see you still have a firm grasp of trying to put words in people's mouths though.

You did see the question mark right so it was a quesstion and not putting words in your mouth.

Rams 11-5

According to the Philly Voice, the Rams rank second in that department right now. The youngest NFL team is in Cleveland, which should come as no surprise.

A few positions in particular come with a great deal of inexperience for the Rams. Only Tavon Austin, Sammy Watkins and Robert Woods have more than two years under their belts with the other three being either rookies or second-year players.

The same goes for the quarterback position where the Rams have less experience than just about every other team. Jared Goff and Sean Mannion are both in their second seasons, and are 22 and 25 years old, respectively.

As it currently stands, the Rams only have three players over the age of 30: Connor Barwin (30), John Sullivan (32) and Andrew Whitworth (35). More than half of L.A.’s roster is under the age of 25 with the youngest players being Justin Davis (21) and John Johnson (21).

Ok, but to ask the same question I asked, Who do you see Hue calling plays to at quarterback that's going to bring the Browns success in 2018,
OR, do you concede they aren't planning on winning much this year again.

I'll guess the most likely qb's for the Browns are.

Kizer,..... Kessler... Hogan.

Cousins,...AJ McCarron... (Garropollo, somehow)

Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, L.Jackson,

Sam Bradford, Bridgewater, Keenum,

Or somebody else, Tyrod Taylor, Jay Cutler,
Somebody else?

Yeah, we have a QB like Goff. And if we had actually rebuilt our WR core maybe that would have helped too.

Their GM gave the HC something to work with. In Cleveland? Not so much. But you knew that when you posted it.

Yeah, I'm with you Pit.

There is one main difference, and that is the QB position.

Are you saying with the roster Hue had any coach would have gone 1-31 here in Cleveland?

I can't say. I think anyone who claims they can are using nothing but conjecture and speculation.

I will say I'd like for someone to actually provide him with a good QB to see what he can do with it. If he can't win then, I think that would seal the deal for me.

I believe Sashi has it set up for him to get that and more this coming season! The plan continues...

I want to know who that good Qb is, It's what I had asked.

I think it's set up if the right picks are made. But I've felt the same way the last couple of years as well. There are people who can work the draft very well to stockpile picks. Sashi was one of those people. But look at the talent we passed on to accomplish that.

Hue didn't like Wentz...

Opinions are all over the map on that one. My opinion is Josh Rosen.

Some say he did and some say he didn't. I don't think we'll ever know the truth on that one.

And look at the talent that is here. As you say insert a QB...which was the plan this coming season. IMO

According to his best friend, post-draft. Pretty safe bet that Hue was the influential voice in not wanting Wentz.

The question becomes - Were Kessler and Kizer decisions that Hue made. If so, he's off to a really rough start.

Come on, Pit. 1-31 is the worst 2 year record in the history of the NFL. We would have to have the worst roster in NFL history to think any coach would be that bad with our roster.

Dawgtalkers on Hue's side are saying with the roster thay had any coach would have struggled. And as long as the HC would have struggled 1-31, or 6-26, or whatever, wouldn't have been much different. The past is gone, the team needs to figure out the present and future

That 1-31 record, if it wasn't enough to get Hue fired and it's not going to be, then we've got to move on.

If we're stuck with Hue Jackson as the HC in 2018, then they've got to find some way for Hue Jackson's Browns to win in 2018.

So How are the Hue Jackson Browns going to win in 2018, and who are they going to use at Qb to do it?

As someone else said if Sashi could have been paired with Dorsey may have been a winning combo.

And a secondary? And some WR's? We drafted three WR's in the mid rounds of a very poor draft class in 2016. That made zero sense. If you actually believe all we need is a QB, then we are miles apart.

I think a QB can help win some games, but we are far from being a complete team. The Rams are a much better team in several areas. From QB, to RB to secondary. Surely you won't dispute that. Which is why the comparison simply doesn't exist.

Yep. Look at the Niners. They went 0-9 before they traded for Garoppolo, and got him acclimated and ready to start.

Was Shanahan a crappy coach for those 1st 9 games? Did he suddenly become a great head coach over the course of the final 7 games, with 6 wins? Or, did he get the right QB?

Hire an OC give him play calling responsibility and give Hue a tablet to stand on the sidelines and review tape!

If only it was the lack of winning.

Facts, logic, and common sense are not permitted during a witch hunt.

1-31...Facts, logic, and common sense would normally get a persons fired.

I am not going to fight w/you, Vambo.

SF lost 4 games by 3 points or less and won 1 game before JG...

We lost 4 games by 3 points or less..

SF offense before JG was already respectable, top half of the league, we were allways rock bottom.

SF fired chip kelly with a better record than Hue....

That's a really great point that I hadn't considered within the context of the Hue discussion... however...
The thing I have a hard time getting past is Hue's dogged persistence of throwing the ball too much. People make the argument that Hue wasn't the one out there under center, throwing the ball to the other team. That's true, his QB didn't do him any favors, but Hue was the one that kept putting the ball in Kizer's hands. We have a run game that was working when we used it, and a pass game that wasn't, and we kept passing it.

So while it's technically true that Hue having a better QB would've won us more games, it's also misleading to say that QB was the problem.

What was the pressure on last year's team?

They had to find out if Kizer was the guy going forward, or not. How do you do that? By having him hand the ball off 30 times/game? Not likely. We threw the ball 574 times last year. What was the middle of the league, the 16th ranked team in pass attempts? How about 555. Did 19 total more pass attempts really hurt Kizer? How many of our pass attempts were because we were behind, and had to pass?

Kizer threw 6 or 7 red zone INT. That wasn't coaching. That was Kizer just not doing as he was instructed, and throwing the ball away if the play wasn't there, or throwing such inaccurate passes that even wide open receivers couldn't catch the ball. How many passes did Kizer throw into the feet of the receiver? How many right at defenders? We had to find out iuf he could progress in that regard, or not.

Hue had to make sure that Kizer wasn't going to progress to the point where we didn't have to draft his replacement this coming draft. Unfortunately, Kizer indeed did ensure that we will either draft his replacement, sign his replacement as a free agent, or both.

If all of what you said above is true, how come Hue Jackson benched Deshone Kizer multiple times?