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"Hue is responsible for global warming"


Uh, which is true, because if it wasn't the lake wouldn't have been iced over at the end of the season and he could have jumped in!


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The Cleveland Browns signed TE Gavin Escobar to the reserve/futures list.


Escobar is a 6-5, 250-pound San Diego State product. He was originally selected by the Dallas Cowboys in the second round (47th overall) of the 2013 NFL Draft. Officially entering his fifth NFL season in 2018, he’s been active with the Cowboys (2013-16) and the Baltimore Ravens (2017). For his career, Escobar has appeared in 64 games (seven starts) and has recorded 30 receptions for 333 yards with eight touchdowns. He’s a native on New York, N.Y.

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The Cleveland Browns signed TE Gavin Escobar to the reserve/futures list.


Escobar is a 6-5, 250-pound San Diego State product. He was originally selected by the Dallas Cowboys in the second round (47th overall) of the 2013 NFL Draft. Officially entering his fifth NFL season in 2018, he’s been active with the Cowboys (2013-16) and the Baltimore Ravens (2017). For his career, Escobar has appeared in 64 games (seven starts) and has recorded 30 receptions for 333 yards with eight touchdowns. He’s a native on New York, N.Y.

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I remember him being really popular back as a draft prospect. I'd forgotten he was even drafted that high. I wonder where it's gone so wrong for him.

Internet suggests he was jammed behind Jason Witten and Dallas never used two TE sets, but he also struggled to find a place with KC this season, even as depth.

Solid add. Clearly Dorsey believes in him, and I'm never against low risk/high reward additions.

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Clearly Dorsey believes in him, and I'm never against low risk/high reward additions.

Agreed, this definitely has low-risk factor to it.


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Escobar..... hmmmmmm.....

That name seems to ring a bell.


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Pretty nice addition this kid was rated really high coming into the draft ... thumbsup


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j/c...

Dorsey brought in Escobar when he was the GM in KC last year. Escobar got cut when the final 53 man roster was announced and after Dorsey was no longer the GM.

Dorsey certainly sees something in Escobar to sign him for a second time.

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Quite a few people really liked Escobar in the draft. He had some impressive numbers. He has been a real disappointment in the NFL, but it can't hurt to take a look.

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Here is a scouting report that was written the year he was eligible for the draft.

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Prospect: Gavin Escobar, TE, San Diego State
Height: 6’5 7/8
Weight: 254
Speed: 4.84
Grade: 7.1 (Grading Scale)

Scouting Report:

Strengths
Gavin Escobar has a big, athletic build with long arms. Shows superior athletic ability for his size combined with versatility to play a hybrid tight end position. Escobar is a natural hands catcher. Large hands that he uses to snatch the ball confidently out of the air. The ball sticks to his hands with no movement and he is able to put it away. He shows the reach and flexibility to reach and extend away from his frame to make the catch. Escobar can be used as a vertical threat.

He is able to stretch the seam, by beating linebackers with long strides and build up to top speed. Presents a large catch radius allowing him to make catches with defenders draped on him. Can exploit speed match-ups against linebackers and split out and beat DBs with size and body positioning. Escobar is used off out of motion a lot to set up angles on blocks and to get separation off the snap. Escobar has no trouble finding the soft spot in zone coverage and can become a big reliable safety valve for a QB.

Escobar is able to track the ball well while going vertically down the field. Gets his head turn and hands extended with the ability to adjust over the shoulder. He’s made a bunch of big plays down the field at SDSU. He’s very tough to cover when given a free release or when motioning out. Puts his body in between defender and the ball. As a blocker, Escobar has a large frame with solid strength. He lines off in an off-set position to improve angle on down blocks and help him seal the edge on outside runs. Has experience on wham and trap blocks showing the ability to kick out the defender to open the run lane.

Weaknesses:
Not very explosive or sudden out of his stance. Takes a bit of time to get up to speed and builds up to top speed when running away from defenders. Doesn’t attack defenders when blocking. Appears a bit tentative and lacks the mean streak to finish blocks. Gets far to vertical when blocking, narrowing his base and losing leverage.

Escobar is very “handsy” when blocking which results in his inability to sustain blocks. Also, loses his balance too much when blocking, lunges and overextends to moving defenders and ends up on the ground. In the open field Escobar isn’t the most elusive receiver. Lacks the midsection wiggle needed to make people miss and is a bit straight line-ish with the ball in his hands. Doesn’t necessarily like to dish out contact when running after the catch.

Overall:
Gavin Escobar possesses the skill-set to become a star receiving tight end at the next level. His large athletic frame and movement ability will allow him to move all over the formation. He’s got great hands showing the ability to secure most passes and extend his large catch radius to make off target throws. As a route runner Escobar presents a large target that is able to run away from linebackers in coverage and stretch the field vertically down the seam. He’s got big play potential and created a number of big plays after the catch at SDSU. Escobar can be used in motion, off-set of split out wide to exploit match-ups.

He will be a popular safety valve in which every offense he goes to. While he isn’t the blocker he needs to be right now, he has the frame, length and athletic ability to develop into a serviceable in-line blocker at the next level. With the NFL moving towards tight end centered passing attacks, a big, athletic tight end like Gavin Escobar will have plenty of suitors on draft day. Escobar is likely to come off the board sometime on day two with a range between picks 50 – 75.

Tags: 2013 NFL Draft, Gavin Escobar, Scouting Reports

http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2013/03/gavin-escobar-scouting-report.html


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Numbers are interesting. Can we figure out where and how to use him. He seems to have something that has Dorsey's attention.

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escobar was a favorite in the draft ... supposed to be a great TE prospect

doesn't hurt


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The Cleveland Browns signed six players to the reserve/futures list:

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DL Ricky Ali'ifua

LB Max Bullough

OL Joseph Cheek

DL Jeremy Faulk

RB Kelvin Taylor

DB Corey White

Ali'ifua, 6-2, 300 pounds, was originally signed by the Kansas City Chiefs as an undrafted free agent in 2017. A first-year player, he spent the offseason and training camp with the Chiefs before being waived during final roster cuts. A four-year letterman at Utah State, Ali'ifua appeared in 51 games, accruing 99 tackles, eight sacks, five pass breakups and two forced fumbles. He hails from San Leanro, Calif.

Bullough, a 6-3, 258-pound Michigan State product, will officially enter his fourth NFL season in 2018. An undrafted free agent signing by Houston Texans in 2014, he’s played 30 games (four starts), amassing 35 tackles and three tackles for loss. He also appeared in the Texans’ 2015 AFC Wild Card matchup against the Chiefs. Bullough is from Traverse City, Mich.

Cheek, 6-6, 300 pounds, is a first-year player out of Texas A&M. He was originally signed by the New Orleans Saints as an undrafted free agent in 2016. Since then, he’s spent time with the Chiefs and Texans, appearing on both their practice squads. Cheek is a native of Seguin, Texas.

Faulk, 6-1, 305 pounds, is entering his first NFL season after being originally signed by the New York Jets as an undrafted free agent in 2017. He spent training camp with the Jets before being waived during finals roster cuts. A former NJCAA Defensive Player of the Year (2015), Faulk played collegiately at Garden City Community College. He’s a native of Hastings, Fla.

Taylor is a 5-10, 197-pound first-year player out of Florida. He was originally selected by the San Francisco 49ers in the sixth round (211th overall) of the 2016 NFL Draft. He spent time on the practice squads of San Francisco and the Seattle Seahawks in 2016. He also spent parts of the 2017 offseason with the Chiefs and the Atlanta Falcons. His father, Fred, played 13 seasons in the NFL with the Jacksonville Jaguars (1998-08) and the New England Patriots (2009-10). Taylor is a native of Pahokee, Fla.
White, 5-11, 205 pounds, has seen action in 66 games (24 starts) over five NFL seasons. Originally a fifth-round (162nd overall) selection by the Saints in the 2012 NFL Draft, he’s compiled 151 tackles, 22 passes defensed, six interceptions, two forced fumbles and two fumble recoveries. He’s also started both career postseason contests he’s appeared in, tallying eight tackles. The Samford product has been active with the Buffalo Bills (2016), Arizona Cardinals (2015), Dallas Cowboys (2015) and Saints (2012-14). White is from Dunwoody, Ga.

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Kelvin Taylor is Fred Taylor's son.

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Yes! Max Bullough! I really wanted him coming out. I just hope this hull at LB spot doesn't stop us from drafting Shaquem Griffin. He's going to be a pro bowler as a special teams player and will be a good situational defensive player.

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Every time I watch Cleveland's defense, I think to myself, "What an underrated collection of talent, and what a tone-deaf set of schemes for that talent."

https://twitter.com/BR_DougFarrar/status/953745521293733888

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Certainly not enough of them.


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Certainly not enough of them.


Definitely more than zero wins enough though, right?

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We're severely lacking in the secondary, which un-does a lot of the good we've done in building the front 7.

We have a bunch of young talent on our line and in the LB corps. Our lack of talent in our secondary shoots us in the foot (the deployment of said talent also does us no favors).


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We blitzed more than anyone and got less pressure than anyone. It's almost like. . . they knew the blitzes were coming.

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Certainly not enough of them.


Definitely more than zero wins enough though, right?


You do realize that even Dorsey sees the problem. Just read my sig. Maybe you should email him your complaints?


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We knew the secondary was going to be really bad, and we managed to make it even worse by getting rid of Haden (he wouldn't have been a savior, but there's just that much less talent back there, and a young'in making young'in mistakes and being inconsistent in his place). We drafted a guy high that people weren't sure he'd be able to step into the FS role (and that's putting it lightly), and we lost our other draft pick to a brutal knee injury. McCourty was good, BBC was fairly good, but Jamar Taylor had a down year.


There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.

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.... Just for [censored] and giggles ....

. " You do realize that even Dorsey sees the problem "

.... You do realize the guy before , and the one before , and the one before and so on , saw the problems too ?? lol

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Certainly not enough of them.


Definitely more than zero wins enough though, right?


You do realize that even Dorsey sees the problem. Just read my sig. Maybe you should email him your complaints?


Is this your signature:

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One week after implying that the previous Cleveland Browns regime had failed in acquiring "real players," newly christened Browns general manager John Dorsey walked back that assessment.

"Listen, you guys are professional wordsmiths," Dorsey told 92.3 The Fan on Tuesday. "I am not a professional wordsmith. I'm a football guy. My intent was to say we don't have enough good football players. There's some good football players on this team.

"Are there some good young football players on this team? You bet there are. And you know what, we're going to get some more football players, and we're going to get some Ws, too."


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...eal-players-jab

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Originally Posted By: cfrs15
Kelvin Taylor is Fred Taylor's son.




He played for the Gators like his father. He's good, but he isn't as good as his dad was. He might make the team, but I wouldn't pass on Barkley of Michel because we have him.


He had a nice career at Florida, but I remember him not finishing runs. At some point you need to quit looking for another cutback and just get the last 2 yards.



He does, or did work hard, so who knows, maybe we got something, but I suspect he is a #2 back at best, and nothing wrong with that. He's not going to kill you if you have to give him extended playing time.


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I just remember him getting crushed on the sideline by the coach who hugged the shark while naked.

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I agree that Drango did much better than expected, so yeah, there could be a competition. I see Drango as a guard, but like you said, he played pretty good at LT.




I agree. I brought it up at one point this season, but i don't see Drango at a RT. Joe playing RT wouldn't have produced a HOF career IMO.


To me, the RT needs to be a bulldozer type. I am looking for a big SOB at that position.


You might have to chip a TE or bigger back on passing plays to allow the big guy to center up on a outside rush, but to me, the positional requirements for the two positions are way different.


Orlando Brown Jr. looks like my kind of RT.


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Originally Posted By: cfrs15
I just remember him getting crushed on the sideline by the coach who hugged the shark while naked.




LOL....I guess I am not sure what you are talking about.


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I just remember him getting crushed on the sideline by the coach who hugged the shark while naked.




LOL....I guess I am not sure what you are talking about.




For the second part Google "jim mcelwain shark"


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Ok.....Jim isn't there anymore, and for good reason.


I remember Fred even complained.


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Certainly not enough of them.


Definitely more than zero wins enough though, right?


You do realize that even Dorsey sees the problem. Just read my sig. Maybe you should email him your complaints?


Is this your signature:

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One week after implying that the previous Cleveland Browns regime had failed in acquiring "real players," newly christened Browns general manager John Dorsey walked back that assessment.

"Listen, you guys are professional wordsmiths," Dorsey told 92.3 The Fan on Tuesday. "I am not a professional wordsmith. I'm a football guy. My intent was to say we don't have enough good football players. There's some good football players on this team.

"Are there some good young football players on this team? You bet there are. And you know what, we're going to get some more football players, and we're going to get some Ws, too."


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...eal-players-jab




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didn't want to start a new thread for this just yet.

5 potential cap cuts that might happen.

5) Jeremy Maclin, WR, Ravens
4) Joe Haden, CB, Steelers
3) Dre Kirkpatrick, WR, Bengals
2) Danny Woodhead, WR, Ravens
1) Brandon LaFell, WR, Bengals

https://www.chatsports.com/nfl/a/here-are-5-potential-afc-north-salary-cap-cuts-37068

I wouldn't mind taking the first four. and yes that means bringing back Joe Haden if he would to return.


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Report: Browns held tryout with LB Nick Moody


Cleveland continues to look at candidates for reserve/future contracts.
By Chris Pokorny@DawgsByNature Jan 20, 2018, 5:06pm EST

https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/1/20/16913750/report-browns-held-tryout-with-lb-nick-moody

According to Howard Balzer, the Cleveland Browns held a tryout on Friday with linebacker Nick Moody.

Moody was a 6th round pick by the San Francisco 49ers in 2013. He spent two years with the club, and then spent some time with the Seattle Seahawks and Washington Redskins in 2015 and 2016. The most action he saw in a season came in 2014, when he made 2 starts and registered 21 tackles on the year.

All indications are that Moody was out of football for all of 2017. If the Browns end up signing him, it would to a reserve/future contract. As of Saturday, no deal was reported.

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Dre is a CB
Woodhead is a RB

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Certainly not enough of them.


Definitely more than zero wins enough though, right?


You do realize that even Dorsey sees the problem. Just read my sig. Maybe you should email him your complaints?


Is this your signature:

Quote:
One week after implying that the previous Cleveland Browns regime had failed in acquiring "real players," newly christened Browns general manager John Dorsey walked back that assessment.

"Listen, you guys are professional wordsmiths," Dorsey told 92.3 The Fan on Tuesday. "I am not a professional wordsmith. I'm a football guy. My intent was to say we don't have enough good football players. There's some good football players on this team.

"Are there some good young football players on this team? You bet there are. And you know what, we're going to get some more football players, and we're going to get some Ws, too."


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...eal-players-jab


Well when you say what you mean and it doesn't sell, you have to do the PC thing. I mean it's a corporation. So no matter how you slice it, he knows we need more talent to win. lmao


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Yep, he realized that agreeing with Hue was hazardous to his job security. I think he realized the talent he needs to win is at the HC spot.

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'Peen, are you sure he is big enough? LOL

We have tackle problems now, mores if JT hangs it up. But we need a big man there, and I hope to see the kind of guy you expect.

But he has to have some decent feet and mobility too.Brown might be able to do it.


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Yet that's not even close to what he said. A SWING and a miss!


Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.

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Originally Posted By: edromeo
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Woodhead is a RB


Eh... close enough.


There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.

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