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Here’s everything you need to know about Democrats, they call Americans “deplorables” and illegal immigrants “dreamers.”
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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Funny thing. As I predicted, the government returns to work again and the Democrats are out of the hole they dug for themselves with the Schumer Shutdown.


NOTHING in the deal changed from day 1 of the shutdown til now ... NOTHING ... well maybe they loped a week of how long this CR goes ....

Why did they shut down again? ...

Nice job Chuckie ... nice job ... rolleyes ...




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Originally Posted By: DiamDawg
Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Funny thing. As I predicted, the government returns to work again and the Democrats are out of the hole they dug for themselves with the Schumer Shutdown.


NOTHING in the deal changed from day 1 of the shutdown til now ... NOTHING ... well maybe they loped a week of how long this CR goes ....

Why did they shut down again? ...

Nice job Chuckie ... nice job ... rolleyes ...


CHIP, DACA, immigration, hurricane relief monies, but the biggest on the Dems side was CHIP and DACA.
They addressed CHIP for 6 more years and my guess is that we will be back here in 2 1/2 weeks and the Senate and especially the house/White House haven't even touched DACA. I have said it before, throw that back on the WH and let them start to deport 800,000 DACA people and see how it goes.

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Originally Posted By: DiamDawg
Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Funny thing. As I predicted, the government returns to work again and the Democrats are out of the hole they dug for themselves with the Schumer Shutdown.


NOTHING in the deal changed from day 1 of the shutdown til now ... NOTHING ... well maybe they loped a week of how long this CR goes ....

Why did they shut down again? ...

Nice job Chuckie ... nice job ... rolleyes ...


Yup, damned if you do, and damned if you don't. Chuckie is weak for caving in along with the rest of the Dems in congress. No nads to stand up to the new authoritarian GOP Oligarchy. Sad.


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Schumer "caved" because he had to. The longer the shutdown went on, the worse it would be for Dems.

They took a risk and it did not pay off. Cannot shut the government down for illegal aliens. US citizens won't allow it.

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3 Obamacare taxes, including one on higher-value plans, are suspended in deal to end shutdown

-Three Obamacare taxes are suspended in the deal Congress reached to end the government shutdown.
-The health insurance tax was delayed a year, while the medical device tax and Cadillac tax on high premium health plans are delayed two years.
-The deal also funded for six years the popular Children's Health Insurance Program, which was on track to run out of money.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/23/obamacar...t-shutdown.html

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Originally Posted By: pfm1963
Schumer "caved" because he had to. The longer the shutdown went on, the worse it would be for Dems.

They took a risk and it did not pay off. Cannot shut the government down for illegal aliens. US citizens won't allow it.



They caved because they're weak.


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Well, they are weak. But they found out the far left lunatics aren't as politically powerful as they thought.

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Originally Posted By: pfm1963
Well, they are weak. But they found out the far left lunatics aren't as politically powerful as they thought.


Trump ate them for lunch, again. thumbsup

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Schumer bashed by the left over shutdown-ending deal

Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer is taking heat from some of the most influential and deep-pocketed groups in the liberal base for caving to Republicans in the shutdown standoff.

“Today’s cave by most Senate Democrats was … a stunning display of moral and political cowardice," said Democracy for America, just one of several such groups bashing Schumer for the stand-down on Monday. “Most Senate Democrats, including Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer, voted to allow Donald Trump to continue to subject an ever-growing number of Dreamers to lives threatened by deportation from the only home they’ve ever known.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/23/schumer-bashed-by-left-over-shutdown-ending-deal.html

Poor poor Shutdown Schumer. rofl

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Y'all have 3 weeks to resolve DACA. We'll see who is laughing then.

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Originally Posted By: willitevachange
How is putting illegal immigrants over idk lets say the military, make that true?


Because it hurts americans to not resolve this issue. We have DACA people in the military. We have US employers employing DACA people on work permits. We have US citizens born to DACA parents. You are not seeing the forest from the trees.

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ummm, when those "immigrants" came here, there were not LAWS AGAINST IT. So you logic is well, not that.


I agree with you that them coming over here is against the law. Are we not discussing what to do with these illegal immigrants? What do you think we are talking about? saywhat

My point is that immigrants that come to the US with their families want to stay with their families. If you are saying the solution to DACA is to keep the DACA recipients and boot their parents, what you are really saying is make DACA permanent. That makes no sense.

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Which is exactly why trump reversed the order and kicked it to congress. They have until March to figure it out. There is ABSOLUTELY no reason this should be happening now on a CR bill.


Please read up on the Hastert rule to understand why this got attached to a continuing resolution. Republicans do not put forward bills in the house unless republicans have the votes. It's that simple. I'm not even convinced McConnell's promise will hold true to put a bill to the floor soon. Anything is possible and I hope he holds to his word.

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Cant wait for congress to act, however he went YEARS without doing anything afterwards. Guess he could have waited since its been years with nothing done. That argument doesn't hold water.


You are rambling so I don't know who isn't holding water here. If I may attempt to answer, you have never once in your life asked someone to do something, and then they didn't do it? And you decided to take matters into your own hands to get it done? Not at work? Not at home? I find that hard to believe. I think you are being unreasonable in your expectations.

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Its not. Deport the parents. The DACA can stay. They are NOT CHILDREN.


Listen to yourself. If these kids were kids when their parents came over, and no longer are kids, their parents assuredly have nothing left in Mexico. They have been in the US for decades. Why is it beneficial for the DACA recipients to have them stay but deport their parents? All you're doing is breaking up families and making the situation worse. You either deport them all or let the families stay. You would be creating the same burden on the DACA recipients if you let them stay and deport their families as you would if you just straight up deported them. Think this through.

I'd go so far as to think your choice is to deport them all. You just want to sit on the fence. You have to know that letting the children stay but no one else is going to result in the children leaving with their family most of the time. You'd also be effectively deporting US citizens who were born to DACA parents, as 25% of DACA recipients have US children.

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I actually know plenty of LEGAL immigrants here, whose parents live in mexico, and they visit mexico - the parents for whatever reason do not visit here. If they don't like the scenario that WORKS BEST FOR AMERICANS - then they can CHOOSE to either stay or leave with their parents.

But its funny how your tone changed when I pointed out they were not CHILDREN. You also make it this "they will never be able to go their house again" - they didn't care about that fact when the parents BLATENTLY broke our FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAW. So no, I have no remorse for the parents. I do believe the "children" should get to stay, or leave if they want.


You are comparing apples and oranges. There is a big difference in someone moving somewhere on their own as an adult, than being dragged along as a kid. I'm a navy brat. I know. Most legal immigrants didn't come here illegally at first and then became legal, and their parents didn't come over illegally either. I have a legal immigrant I hired last year for my company, and his family doesn't live in the US. Never did. It's not the same thing unfortunately.. The DACA parents are in the US, So you would be uprooting them and moving them.

I agree with you 100% that DACA is a bandaid and created just as many issues as it tried to solve. My concern strictly comes from how we deal with the mess we've made in a way that is beneficial to US citizens. Part of the reason Trump was elected was to clean up Obama's mess, right? Saying we'll keep the DACA recipients and deport their parents is a half measure that doesn't resolve anything. Most of their parents would just try to avoid deportation to stay in the US. They would live under the grid, suppressing wages and avoiding paying taxes. Taking the position you are taking is saying WE SHOULD DO NOTHING. Because the end result would be what we have right now.

So again, the only way to move forward on this is to deport them all, or let their families have the same pathway to citizenship. Anything else is foolhardy.


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Originally Posted By: DiamDawg
Thats your perogative ...

Troll u? ... rofl ..

If by troll u meant being truthful .. thumbsup


It's unfortunate that I have never read a post of yours and felt that my psyche was improved upon reading it.

As I'm sure we have all read at some point:

Better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.

How is your linear algebra coming along?


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And I was wondering about the bigger picture. There was something on NPR this morning about people who overstayed their visa's and how some from Ireland were running scared that they might be deported. They mentioned that there were 34 from Ireland deported last year up from 26 the year before. But the guess is that there are as many as 50,000 from Ireland that have overstayed their Visa's and are not supposed to be here.

And that is one country. INS guesses that there are 4.4 million of the undocumented residents that have overstayed Visas. Many originally came here to school or under the H1-B program.

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Originally Posted By: PerfectSpiral
They caved because they're weak.


Was it a cave? CHiP is no longer a "chip" to be used in further negotiations. McConnell told Democrats they can get an immigration bill to the floor without needing Trumps permission to do so. Will they keep to their word? Hopefully they will.

The gamble is that in a week Trump will dominate the news cycle again and the shutdown will be largely forgotten. Trump dominating the news cycle seems to be pretty safe bet to make...


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Some Republicans voted to shut it down also.

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Originally Posted By: gage
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They caved because they're weak.


Was it a cave? CHiP is no longer a "chip" to be used in further negotiations. McConnell told Democrats they can get an immigration bill to the floor without needing Trumps permission to do so. Will they keep to their word? Hopefully they will.

The gamble is that in a week Trump will dominate the news cycle again and the shutdown will be largely forgotten. Trump dominating the news cycle seems to be pretty safe bet to make...


Schumer says no Wall deal now. LOL .. Trump says no DACA deal now. Rinse repeat. Not working together. Another shutdown looming.


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I thought Mexico was going to pay for it? saywhat

The important thing to remember in any negotiation is the only time people care about optics is when they lose the deal.


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I thought Mexico was going to pay for it? saywhat




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