Eh, I don't like the Hackenberg comparison. I'm thinking more like Josh Freeman, Blake Bortles on the low side and yes, Big Ben on the high/not realistic end.
I only saw a small sampling of Allen's games this year but I don't see how he could be drafted before the 3rd round based on that tape. He will go higher because of his size and the cannon attached to his right shoulder but I see Hackenberg written all over him.
Just my 2 cents
I see someone making a Bortles type over reach on Allen. Bortles had the size and all the other measurable but was inaccurate and in turn, over drafted. Yes he made the playoffs and even won a game. He actually played better than I thought he would through those games, but it doesn’t change where he is as a pro QB. Mid to bottom third. I hope we stay away from Allen. Rosen or Darnold are my choices.
For those trying to judge Allen from Senior Bowl practice go to Draft Breakdown and watch his games from 2016 and 2017.
He is no one trick pony.
This young man can play and he will get better. He has the right skill set and the right attitude to go with it. I have no doubts that he will work hard to improve in the areas that need improvement.
He will get drafted in the first round and that is an accomplishment in itself.
After that he has work to do and we shall see.
I think he could become a great player. At the same time there is risk that goes along with selecting him.
In the end I still rank him behind Rosen, Darnold and maybe Mayfield.
Not a QB guru but comparing one to another only goes so far for me. Bortles and Allen being both big and strong doesn't guarantee them to end up similar in the league. I'd put more value on WHO gets ahold of them once in the league.
I seriously doubt he goes before Mason. Mason is way more accurate on his deep balls as in DOUBLE the completion % on 20+ yard passes.
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It really makes no difference where someone is drafted.
It is what happens after they get to the NFL that matters.
I am never overwhelmed or underwhelmed by what what guys do in college. Stats are are just reference points.
All the prospects are in the learning process. Some of these guys are two or three years out of high school trying to learn one of the hardest positions in all sports.
It is all about projecting where they will be in two or three years.
Allen has tremendous upside. That is why "evaluating" these guys is so hard. Can they learn? How long will it take? Do they have the foundation of skills? Do they have the work ethic do get to where they need to be? Are they leaders?
Rudolph looks like a decent prospect. He faces the same questions all these guys have to answer.
OK...after such a build up all week that's a bit of a let down.
Not sure if this is revealing, but one of the issues that concerns me with QBs from the Big 12, the pass defense their QBs face in the Big 12, week after week leads to inflated stats.
Better judge of QB talent is to see them playing against the best talent, such as the Senior Bowl.
I think people make the mistake of him deliberately throwing a softer and easier to catch ball as lacking arm str but its not. I've seen him throw it so hard and fast the WR gets physically moved when they catch it. I've seen him throw the ball accurately 70 plus yard through the air and do it while making it look easy.
He has the best arm in this draft and by far the best accuracy on deeper passes. It's not even close.
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The more that I watch this quarterback class the more I like them.
Mayfield is growing on me. I like to watch him play. He just seems like one of those guys who will figure it out.
The more I hear Allen talk the more I like him. He carries himself well. He interacts well. He comes across as a football junkie. I think he will improve on the things he needs to improve.
I have not seen much of Rudolph but what I have I like.
Rosen and Darnold are still the top two but I can understand why people can like the other guys.
Allen is very intriguing because if he cleans up the areas of his game that needs to improve he has a monster upside.
Ha. No. I think he gave a fair assessment. We all have our favorites. If it was Parcells, his QB is either Rudolph or Mayfield. I don't think Rudolph has the strongest arm, if that's what's meant by best arm. I may not agree with the assessment, but it's kinda refreshing to read posts that don't say someone won't be good because of his height or the conference or division they play in....
I have mentioned several times that this is a very , very good ( and deep ) QB class .. You could see 6/7 move into starting positions several years from now .
I keep coming back to this. One thing I'm not sure of is who will draft Allen in the first rd. Quarterbacks are undoubtedly overdrafted. But let's say Cousins goes to Denver, and Rosen, Darnold and Mayfield are drafted by Cleveland and both New York's. Where does Allen go?
Allen won't make it past the Redskins @ 13 if he isn't gone earlier ...JMHO
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He scares the crap out of me as a possible OB for us. I'm happy I read Dorsey and others talk about processing speed and ACCURACY. Allen throws great long ball some times. He can laugh off throwing it over a net all he wants.....THAT was scary. We watched 16 games of where is the ball going. One minute great and next....not so much...I want size and arm strength too, but those first two are AT LEAST as important. How strong is Brady's 40 year arm...he has enough....I wouldn't draft Allen in first round.....GO Browns!!!!
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Maybe not. I've read a lot of teams aren't as high on Allen as the media, but say someone is going to overdraft him early. If they all are saying this, who is the team that overdrafts him?
Ha. No. I think he gave a fair assessment. We all have our favorites. If it was Parcells, his QB is either Rudolph or Mayfield. I don't think Rudolph has the strongest arm, if that's what's meant by best arm. I may not agree with the assessment, but it's kinda refreshing to read posts that don't say someone won't be good because of his height or the conference or division they play in....
I'm not sure who has the strongest arm because that is pretty hard to know outside of a competition. One of the things I look at to see who has the better arm is accuracy. Anyone can throw hard but when you have to over do it to throw the ball long it loses accuracy. Allen has too many passes that just sail. That to me is an indicator that he has to over do it and hope it hits target. To me that is a very bad sign.
Mason on the other hand has by far the best accuracy on 20plus yard passes. He has the most reliable deep ball in college and it's not even close. I mean his deep ball is elite. When he throws to the left side deep he has 59% completion percentage. It's a mind boggling accuracy that is just unheard of. Normally you are happy at 30% for those long passes.
Think of it this way. With Mason's level of deep ball accuracy, 1 in every 2 passes of 20 plus yards will be caught. With 3 downs he is almost guaranteed to pick up a first down. You get him some big physical WR like Gordon and he will wreck the league.Gordon, njoku, saquan, and wow they will set the league on fire. I mean you can't stack the line to stop Saquon because then Mason will shred you deep. It's the style of play that both Hue and our new OC love to playcall.
It will be fun to see how free agency shakes up.
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I do not want a QB who has accuracy concerns. It's a non-starter for me. He's getting attention now, but it' means nothing because the two most legitimate guys weren't at the senior bowl and the media has to write/talk about stuff. Dorsey ain't gonna draft him in the first round. Period.
I do not think Rudolph is an accurate passer. I was wowed by his numbers and size last year and I started watching him. He was highly inaccurate on way too many throws.
I think Josh Allen is inaccurate on too many throws due to his terrible mechanics. He would be a huge project.
Baker has decent accuracy, but he throws to wide-open windows.
Darnold is fairly accurate, but his lower body mechanics break down under pressure and he loses accuracy as a result.
Rosen is by far the most accurate passer of the guys I have listed. he leads guys into YAC and that is huge to me. Very similar to Jimmy G in that regard.
None of these guys are perfect. Rosen with concussions, darnold with turnovers, mayfield offield issues and height, allen under 60% completion rate, lamar not knowing if his passing will translate with his bad footwork. Mason is the only one with no major flags. I want Mason the most.
Yet I am willing to be that all of these guys become franchise QBs and revitalize the NFL with some much needed talent at the QB position.
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I think more of the league is recognizing the need to adapt their "nfl" schemes with the "college" concepts. The teams that recognize and accept the urgency to cater their scheme to their rookie QB will allow their rookies to have success the others.....struggle.
I think more of the league is recognizing the need to adapt their "nfl" schemes with the "college" concepts. The teams that recognize and accept the urgency to cater their scheme to their rookie QB will allow their rookies to have success the others.....struggle.
I think more of the league is recognizing the need to adapt their "nfl" schemes with the "college" concepts. The teams that recognize and accept the urgency to cater their scheme to their rookie QB will allow their rookies to have success the others.....struggle.
I think that's always been the case. Coaches should scheme to best match their players ability, rather than the other way around. The best coaches do that. The ones that try to make round players fit square holes or wait around to acquire players that fit the system they want to run, usually find themselves unemployed.
I think more of the league is recognizing the need to adapt their "nfl" schemes with the "college" concepts. The teams that recognize and accept the urgency to cater their scheme to their rookie QB will allow their rookies to have success the others.....struggle.
I think that's always been the case. Coaches should scheme to best match their players ability, rather than the other way around. The best coaches do that. The ones that try to make round players fit square holes or wait around to acquire players that fit the system they want to run, usually find themselves unemployed.
Adapting to your rookie QB has always been smart.
My point was that teams are adapting up from college now more then ever and they weren't before. Look at how much read-option, pistol, spread and RPO's there are now.
And in the past the QB took the blame, now the young QBs get more benefit of the doubt.
Completing only 56.2% of his passes in his three-year college career, inaccuracy is a continued problem that hasn’t shown signs of improvement. Allen has never been known to be an accurate thrower, and he averaged an interception on every 24.8 passing attempts in 2016, the season widely considered his best year at Wyoming.
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