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When you start Ricardo Louis, Higgins you're starting a league worst unit.

They're just awful. Tom Brady or Peyton Manning or Brees might make them look better.


But they're awful. I'm not sure either have a place in football. Maybe Higgins can make a roster spot somewhere

j/c:

The Hue Hate Club was out doing what they do.

Btw------Hue Jackson isn't calling plays next year. Todd Haley is.

Will you now renew your season tickets now you are happy with Hue and the FO? Actions speak louder than words!

Th Hue LOVE club doing what they do.

Todd Haley will be calling plays next year. Why are you guys still ripping on Hue for his play calling? It's no longer an issue.

Haley was a GREAT hire.

Dumdodedumdumdum. Great hire.

Next? In the turned into stupid thread.

Thank god Hue had no idea how to do it. You may see the extinct running game something Hue had no clue how to use.

Browns had 21 drops as a team. 9th in the league. Atlanta led the league with 30. 8 teams had more drops than the Browns and a lot more wins...

I think the "dropped passes" thing is overblown.

Link

No. He was easier to replace than the coach...

Pit,

I must have not hit 'Submit' on my last post, because I don't see it here.

Re: running the ball in the Packers game... no, the Packers did not adjust their D so much that we only could run the ball 2 times the rest of the game.

That being said, I am very glad that Hue got an OC. I think getting Haley is a coup, and I'm very excited about the offense. I'm not so worried about the personality issues that are getting reported out of Pittsburgh. We already have Williams running the D, so having a similar coaching style on the other side of the ball doesn't seem like a big issue. Also, we are likely going to have a young QB to groom. I think the brash attitude will have a more positive effect on a young guy vs Big Ben.

All in all, I'm happy we retained Hue, as that prevents us from entering another rebuild. I think Hue had his issues the last two years, but he's mitigated a lot of what I didn't particularly like by getting a good OC.

I'm glad we kept him... but I still reserve the right to criticize.

I don't know. Everything I remember is Hue was here to help find the QB. He was the one who said something about "we'll see" on people questioning the Kessler pick.

I don't really wish to re-visit the whole topic again, but Hue had more say than some of you give him credit.

That is all behind us now. We have a pretty solid looking front office. We have 2 really good coordinators in place to support Hue. Now we just need for Hue to know when to call time outs and find his red flag.

Sorry Mr. Perfect. I thought you didn't do this? lmao

You do it. You're just selective about it. You always have been.

There's a first time for everything!

Ahh, an optimist in the group. How refreshing.

Yet he bickers and whines when people state they don't want to draft a QB who ran from the cops and looked terrible at scrambling in the process. lmao

Baby steps.

Unless it is a dropped pass for a TD or a critical 3rd down conversion or a Corey Coleman special

Sad fact is that we are not good enough to overcome mistakes. A lot of teams have the ability to recover and get back on track after a dropped pass, or a penalty. We need to play mistake-free to have a chance to win. A drop or a holding penalty, and the drive is pretty much over for us.

What part of this post isn't bickering or whining? I'm just wondering how you view yourself?

Hey, I don't make the news, I just report it. I actually found it to be funny.

And BTW - I could ask you the same question.

Got my answer. Thanks.

Agree, I don't think it was more of the amount of drops, but WHEN they were dropped. It seemed every dropped came on a TD pass, or a 3rd down play to extend a drive or at least put in better field position to flip the field.

That tells you right there that these kids are playing scared, they drop the ball in key moments.

Does anyone know the QBs that were drafted at the stops where Todd Haley was the OC/HC?

I just know he lost a super bowl to the steelers with Kurt Warner. That got him a HC gig where in his second season he had Cassel lead the Chiefs to the playoffs. he was fired the next season about what, 6 games in?


*sorry, was 13 games... he went 5-8.

His first job as an offensive coordinator was with the Cardinals from 2007 to 2008, the team did not select a QB in the draft during that time span.

He was then the head coach of the Chiefs from 2009 to 2011. The only QB selected in the draft during that time period Ricky Stanzi.

After that Haley was the offensive coordinator of the Steelers from 2012 to 2017. Both Landry Jones and Joshua Dobbs were selected by Pittsburgh during those years.

The QBs that started games for him during those same years were Matt Leinart, Kurt Warner, Matt Cassel, Brodie Croyle, Tyler Palko, Kyle Orton, Ben Roethlisberger, Charlie Batch, Byron Leftwich, Michael Vick, and Landry Jones

That list runs the gamut in terms of finding a "Todd Haley" QB. Then we also don't know how much say he had in the selection of the QBs w/ the Steelers. I would assume that he has some say considering that he was pretty much an autonomous offensive coordinator.

My favorite QB prospect in this draft is Lamar Jackson, it would be interesting to see how a Haley + Jackson marriage would work out.

Offensive coordinator Todd Haley and special teams coordinator Amos Jones will meet with the media for the first time today starting at approx. 1:45 p.m.

We'll be streaming it live here https://twitter.com/Browns/status/963797749429886976 , on Facebook, http://ClevelandBrowns.com and our mobile app » http://brow.nz/hRRX3Z

Thanks for the heads up!

Todd Haley: "In this division, you better be able to run the ball at some point in games when they know you're going to run it"

Quoting this because I clicked like to your post but really wanted to like it 4-5 times.

sounds like a great match for hue

I really like how Haley carries himself and his philosophy. I think the offense is in great hands.

It's starting to dawn on me just how good this staff is. Something to consider, this is the first time since the return that we've had experienced, successful, talented personnel in all the key positions at the same time: GM, HC, DC, OC, & scouting. These guys are pros, and if nothing else, this organization and team will be doing things the right way. Probably for the first time since 1999. And we have the number one pick in a deep QB class. I'm impressed, and I'm very optimistic. It's like the stars have finally aligned in our favor.

Todd Haley Accepts Challenge Of Helping Hue Jackson Turn Browns Offense Around
By Daryl Ruiter February 14, 2018 at 3:49 pm

BEREA (92.3 The Fan) – Todd Haley’s Steelers roots are deep.

Haley’s father, Dick, played for and served as the team’s director of player personnel. Haley was a ball boy for the team and watched film with his dad growing up prior to spending the last 6 years as their offensive coordinator.

Now he’s traded the black and gold for orange and brown where he’ll try to help head coach Hue Jackson resurrect the doormat of the AFC North – and NFL for that matter – the Cleveland Browns and their offense.

“I’m looking forward. This is a really exciting challenge, and I think it will be really great to be part of helping turn this great organization around with a rich, rich history,” Haley said. “Having grown up in Pittsburgh, I hated the Browns, but I liked a bunch of players a lot. Sam Rutigliano befriended me years ago, and I get excited every time I get a little note from him because on the front it is him and Brian Sipe. Obviously, Jim Brown; I have heard stories from my dad about him trying to tackle him.

“It is a rich, rich history. I think the fans are tremendous. The times that I have ever been in here, whether it was Kansas City or with the Steelers, it is a great crowd. All I can visualize is what it would be like when we are winning games.”

The Browns, who ranked last in scoring and 24th in total offense last season, officially hired Haley on Jan. 24 after the Steelers declined to renew his contract after it expired.

Haley declined to discuss any details of what led to his ouster in Pittsburgh, including reported clashes with quarterback Ben Roethlisberger.

“I don’t have a lot to say about it,” Haley said. “I do know that how I was mentored and taught early was that a coach’s job is to come in and coach the players and develop the players first and foremost. That has to be No. 1. That is really how I go about business.

“I have nothing but fond memories. After sitting down and talking, it was obvious it was time for me to move on to a new challenge.”

Haley will assume control of the Browns offense, talking a major task off the plate of Jackson, who seems to have welcomed the idea of relinquishing control and delegating the work that comes with it rather than resisting it.

“He wasn’t hesitant at all with me,” Haley said.

It was Jackson who recruited Haley after the Steelers elected to let him walk.

Now the question becomes, how will Haley’s and Jackson’s offensive philosophies blend?

“We are working through some of that,” Haley said. “I’m a big guy of anytime you say ‘system’ to me, I’m not a ‘system’ guy so to speak. I have a language and terminology I have used for a long time that I think works. The big change really will be that – really just terminology.

“What I believe in is playing to every player’s strength that you have as best you can. Putting players into position to succeed, playing to their skillset. Wherever I have been, that is what I have really tried to do.”

Haley replaced Bruce Arians in 2012 as offensive coordinator in Pittsburgh where the Steelers have averaged the third most yards per play since. In the last four seasons the Steelers ranked behind only the Patriots in scoring. Pittsburgh’s offense ranked third in 2017, seventh in 2016, third in 2015 and second overall in 2014 after being ranked 20th and 21st in 2013 and 2012 respectively under Haley.

It also helps that Haley had the three-headed monster of Roethlisberger, running back Le’Veon Bell and receiver Antonio Brown to work with too.

“You have to develop players in this league,” Haley said. “I brought up Antonio Brown. When I got there, Antonio Brown wasn’t the Antonio Brown everybody knows. There was great development there. In this league, if you don’t develop players, you are probably going to fail.”

It is expected that the Browns, who own the Nos. 1 and 4 picks in the upcoming NFL Draft, will pick a quarterback with that top selection.

“When you have a couple of really high picks like we do, it is a great opportunity,” Haley said. “As my father always said to me, ‘When you are picking in the top 10, Todd, you better be right most of the time.’ That will be the challenge for everybody involved.”

In addition to avoiding discussing specifics about current players, Haley didn’t want to get into any evaluations of the current QB class that includes Oklahoma’s Baker Mayfield, USC’s Sam Darnold, UCLA’s Josh Rosen or Wyoming’s Josh Allen but he did provide a glimpse into the type of player he prefers play the position.

“You are looking for highly-competitive guys with ability to weather the storms that are going to come up as a young quarterback in the league,” Haley said. “You are looking for physical and mental toughness. Obviously, you have to have an NFL-type arm. You have to have great feel and awareness and great leadership.

“It is a tough position to evaluate. It always has been, and there evidence of that year in and year out throughout the league. Like I said, that is one of the great challenges, and I’m excited about that process.”

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This sounds great, except then you remember that every coach ever says the same thing.

Its clearly not a philosophy Hue employed last year ...

My main take aways....

Haley will bring his verbiage

I was encouraged that Hue reached out to him

Liked that he mentioned feel the importance of developing players

was going to happen anyway.. i do not think many on the offensive side are going to be the same this year anyway.

I agree except HC and ST coach.


We don't know anything about Amos and Hue hasn't been a very good HC the last two years.